Your Controversial Opinions on DT

[TheGreatPretender]

I wish every DT album and live release had loud and prominent keys. Jordan plays some amazing stuff that never gets to be heard.

This needs to be said again. Yes. Oh how I love dominant keys on I&W.

You're misquoting something. I never said that. 

[Lucien]

I wish every DT album and live release had loud and prominent keys. Jordan plays some amazing stuff that never gets to be heard.

This needs to be said again. Yes. Oh how I love dominant keys on I&W.

You're misquoting something. I never said that. 

Correct quote:

I wish every DT album and live release had loud and prominent keys. Jordan plays some amazing stuff that never gets to be heard.

[Ben_Jamin]

I swear Raw Dog would be perfect after These Walls if played live and would slay the audience.  I wish they wouldve done that for the maiden set.

[PROGdrummer]

I swear Raw Dog would be perfect after These Walls if played live and would slay the audience.  I wish they wouldve done that for the maiden set.

Imagine The Dance of Eternity segueing into directly Raw Dog, the pounding ending going right into the pounding intro of another ridiculous instrumental. That would give James extra rest time to sing Voices or Take The Time or another vocally demanding song next

[Vipmetal]

Now that I've been playing it for few days on a guitar, I really do feel that You not me is very underrated song. The chorus is perfect! 😎

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

Now that I've been playing it for few days on a guitar, I really do feel that You not me is very underrated song. The chorus is perfect! 😎

What does 😎 mean?

[rumborak]

Ceiling Cat.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

I don't get it.

[Zook]

Cat's really can fit into anything.

[Crow]

Constant Motion and Raw Dog are fucking awesome songs.

bring it

Nice one to stir up trouble, you must be fucking with us.

Constant Motion rules!

I don't disagree with this part at the very least. Underrated song. Have you even listened to Petrucci's solo section and what Portnoy is doing there it's like mindblowing man

[BlobVanDam]

Constant Motion and Raw Dog are fucking awesome songs.

bring it

Nice one to stir up trouble, you must be fucking with us.

Constant Motion rules!

I don't disagree with this part at the very least. Underrated song. Have you even listened to Petrucci's solo section and what Portnoy is doing there it's like mindblowing man

Portnoy's drum work in the bridge/solo section is killer, as is JP's solo. I actually love JR's solo there too, and it really reminds me of AJFA era Hammett.

[Ben_Jamin]

Constant Motion and Raw Dog are fucking awesome songs.

bring it

Nice one to stir up trouble, you must be fucking with us.

Constant Motion rules!

I don't disagree with this part at the very least. Underrated song. Have you even listened to Petrucci's solo section and what Portnoy is doing there it's like mindblowing man

Portnoy's drum work in the bridge/solo section is killer, as is JP's solo. I actually love JR's solo there too, and it really reminds me of AJFA era Hammett.

I enjoy the energy constant motion has. JP's guitar solo and dimebag style squeal make it really great, but that squeal live is weak and sad.

[Prog Snob]

Constant Motion and Raw Dog are fucking awesome songs.

bring it

Nice one to stir up trouble, you must be fucking with us.

Constant Motion rules!

I don't disagree with this part at the very least. Underrated song. Have you even listened to Petrucci's solo section and what Portnoy is doing there it's like mindblowing man

Portnoy's drum work in the bridge/solo section is killer, as is JP's solo. I actually love JR's solo there too, and it really reminds me of AJFA era Hammett.

I enjoy the energy constant motion has. JP's guitar solo and dimebag style squeal make it really great, but that squeal live is weak and sad.

The JP & JR solos are the only parts of the song I like.  The rest is too Metallica sounding and not the good Metallica.

[BlobVanDam]

Constant Motion and Raw Dog are fucking awesome songs.

bring it

Nice one to stir up trouble, you must be fucking with us.

Constant Motion rules!

I don't disagree with this part at the very least. Underrated song. Have you even listened to Petrucci's solo section and what Portnoy is doing there it's like mindblowing man

Portnoy's drum work in the bridge/solo section is killer, as is JP's solo. I actually love JR's solo there too, and it really reminds me of AJFA era Hammett.

I enjoy the energy constant motion has. JP's guitar solo and dimebag style squeal make it really great, but that squeal live is weak and sad.

The JP & JR solos are the only parts of the song I like.  The rest is too Metallica sounding and not the good Metallica.

It's straight up Master of Puppets style Metallica (and the intro riff and chorus sound nothing like Metallica). If that's not the good Metallica, then I don't know what is.

[Prog Snob]

Constant Motion and Raw Dog are fucking awesome songs.

bring it

Nice one to stir up trouble, you must be fucking with us.

Constant Motion rules

I don't disagree with this part at the very least. Underrated song. Have you even listened to Petrucci's solo section and what Portnoy is doing there it's like mindblowing man

Portnoy's drum work in the bridge/solo section is killer, as is JP's solo. I actually love JR's solo there too, and it really reminds me of AJFA era Hammett.

I enjoy the energy constant motion has. JP's guitar solo and dimebag style squeal make it really great, but that squeal live is weak and sad.

The JP & JR solos are the only parts of the song I like.  The rest is too Metallica sounding and not the good Metallica.

It's straight up Master of Puppets style Metallica (and the intro riff and chorus sound nothing like Metallica). If that's not the good Metallica, then I don't know what is.

The intro riff doesn't sound like Metallica?  When the last time you cleaned out your ears?   

[BlobVanDam]

The intro riff doesn't sound like Metallica?  When the last time you cleaned out your ears?   

Metallica couldn't have ever played a riff like that if their lives depended on it, buddy. That main riff is something like 5/8, 6/8, 5/8, 15/16, whereas Metallica were lucky to use the odd time sig lop-off here and there, and the wide spanning single note riff and some of those note choices were not something I'd associate with Metallica's very limited musical playbook at all.
The verse riff just after that has Metallica written all over it though.

[TheGreatPretender]

Even among you guys praising Constant Motion, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say this is a controversial opinion:

I really like the second verse where LaBrie and Portnoy rap back and forth. 

[Nel]

That's actually one of those sections where I really like Portnoy's vocals. Love that back and forth.

[Prog Snob]

The intro riff doesn't sound like Metallica?  When the last time you cleaned out your ears?   

Metallica couldn't have ever played a riff like that if their lives depended on it, buddy. That main riff is something like 5/8, 6/8, 5/8, 15/16, whereas Metallica were lucky to use the odd time sig lop-off here and there, and the wide spanning single note riff and some of those note choices were not something I'd associate with Metallica's very limited musical playbook at all.
The verse riff just after that has Metallica written all over it though.

You're overanalyzing this.  The sound is Metallica whether they are playing in 10/8 or 4/4.  I won't disagree with you that the verse riff is MORE Metallica sounding though. 

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

I think "how much a riff sounds like Metallica" mostly falls into the realm of personal opinion.

[Bolsters]

I think "how much a riff sounds like Metallica" mostly falls into the realm of who gives a fuck.

FTFM.

[TheGreatPretender]

After a song like As I Am, I'm finding it a little silly that people are complaining that Constant Motion is ripping off Metallica.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

I'm not the biggest Metallica fan, but Constant Motion sounds more like Metallica to me than As I Am does.

[Bolsters]

I'm not the biggest Metallica fan, but Constant Motion sounds more like Metallica to me than As I Am does.

I agree. As I Am sounds more like Corrosion of Conformity to me.

[TheGreatPretender]

I think As I Am sounds very Metallica-ish. At least Black Album influenced. And heck, James even does a "Yeeeah!"

[Prog Snob]

After a song like As I Am, I'm finding it a little silly that people are complaining that Constant Motion is ripping off Metallica.

I don't think anyone said "ripping off."  There's a difference between "ripping off" and "sounding like."

[BlobVanDam]

I don't think As I Am sounds anything like Metallica, other than having heavy riffing. And once the vocals kick in, forget about it.

[Nel]

Actually, thinking about the vocal melody, I can picture Hetfield singing it. I can very much see how that song sounds like Metallica.

[Prog Snob]

I don't think As I Am sounds anything like Metallica, other than having heavy riffing. And once the vocals kick in, forget about it.

I was just going to say that.   I never for a moment would compare As I Am to Metallica. 

[TheGreatPretender]

I don't think As I Am sounds anything like Metallica, other than having heavy riffing. And once the vocals kick in, forget about it.

Yeah, but same could be said about Constant Motion. Both have certain elements reminiscent of Metallica, but ultimately, also have parts that are nothing like Metallica. And considering that Metallica have always been one of DT's influences, I don't see the big deal.

[BlobVanDam]

Actually, thinking about the vocal melody, I can picture Hetfield singing it. I can very much see how that song sounds like Metallica.

The vocal melody is so far from Metallica, I don't even know where to start. It has a range of an octave rather than grunting out the root note, and it's not at all a scale Hetfield has ever sung in. And whatever key you put the song in, it would be way out of Hetfield's range anyway. If you can picture Hetfield singing that, you have an amazing imagination, my friend.

The verse melody (or lack thereof?) in Constant Motion is pure Metallica though. It's mostly the E root note, with the occasional third and lower 7th. That is the limited kind of melody Hetfield is known for, not a wide spanning Mixolydian melody in a high vocal register.

[TheGreatPretender]

The vocal melody is so far from Metallica, I don't even know where to start. It has a range of an octave rather than grunting out the root note, and it's not at all a scale Hetfield has ever sung in. And whatever key you put the song in, it would be way out of Hetfield's range anyway. If you can picture Hetfield singing that, you have an amazing imagination, my friend.

While that may be true, I can definitely picture him singing, "As I Aaaam! Yeyah!"

[BlobVanDam]

The vocal melody is so far from Metallica, I don't even know where to start. It has a range of an octave rather than grunting out the root note, and it's not at all a scale Hetfield has ever sung in. And whatever key you put the song in, it would be way out of Hetfield's range anyway. If you can picture Hetfield singing that, you have an amazing imagination, my friend.

While that may be true, I can definitely picture him singing, "As I Aaaam! Yeyah!"

Yeah, I can picture it for that line. Although it would be even more Hetfield if he sang it as AS I AAAAAAAAMMMM-AHHHHHHHH!

[Cable]

Yeah, only that end part you guys mentioned reminds me of Hetfield.

This Dying Souls Blackened part is a whole other story though!

[LCArenas]

The vocal melody is so far from Metallica, I don't even know where to start. It has a range of an octave rather than grunting out the root note, and it's not at all a scale Hetfield has ever sung in. And whatever key you put the song in, it would be way out of Hetfield's range anyway. If you can picture Hetfield singing that, you have an amazing imagination, my friend.

While that may be true, I can definitely picture him singing, "As I Aaaam! Yeyah!"

Yeah, I can picture it for that line. Although it would be even more Hetfield if he sang it as AS I AAAAAAAAMMMM-AHHHHHHHH!

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