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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #1085 on: August 11, 2013, 10:55:50 PM »
No way. Nothing beats the original Stargazer. Those covers are good but don't even come close to the originals IMO.

I was referring to the Originals on BC&SL. The cover album is better.
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« Reply #1086 on: August 11, 2013, 10:58:45 PM »
- Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence is their best album. Followed by Awake and SFAM.
- DT's "Roadrunner albums" are nowhere near their earlier ones.
- Portnoy had a fair point when he asked for a hiatus/break to recharge batteries and maybe get the creativity flowing again. I wish the rest of the guys had agreed to that.
- Jordan is an amazing player and seems like a great guy, but I'm not a fan of his playing style. Kevin obviously didn't want to be part of the band anymore, but I wish they had kept Derek.
Some good points, and I agree at times Derek's tone choices I favor of Jordan's. Although Jordan is a much better musician over all.
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« Reply #1087 on: August 11, 2013, 11:21:09 PM »
Now for the band look, it is past time for JP to cut his hair and face the fact he is going bald, James should stop trimming his eyebrows so thin. Look back at the Marque documentary and see how they used to look. John should go back the Ibanez, or at least his old sound. Jordan should use the hammond B-3 organ sound way more than he does, and stop with the pop pop pop doodle pop he seems to love. Mike Mangini need to stop ironing his hair straight it looks awful.
We need to hear some songs that MP had more of a hand in on this tour whether it was lyric writing or backup singing. JP enough with the weights already or change your diet so you get some definition of your muscle tone. You are just starting to look weird and did I mention you hair needs help.
Also will you ever an acoustic guitar in concert like Alex in Rush does. It would be a nice change.
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« Reply #1088 on: August 11, 2013, 11:47:04 PM »
Now for the band look, it is past time for JP to cut his hair and face the fact he is going bald, James should stop trimming his eyebrows so thin. Look back at the Marque documentary and see how they used to look. John should go back the Ibanez, or at least his old sound. Jordan should use the hammond B-3 organ sound way more than he does, and stop with the pop pop pop doodle pop he seems to love. Mike Mangini need to stop ironing his hair straight it looks awful.
We need to hear some songs that MP had more of a hand in on this tour whether it was lyric writing or backup singing. JP enough with the weights already or change your diet so you get some definition of your muscle tone. You are just starting to look weird and did I mention you hair needs help.
Also will you ever an acoustic guitar in concert like Alex in Rush does. It would be a nice change.

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« Reply #1089 on: August 12, 2013, 01:20:12 AM »
-1. That Images and Words is sounding very dated, and many rave about it because of popular opinion, but not because they listen to it that much anymore ;

and

-2. That John Myung isn't actually a Ninja, but in fact a combination of Chuck Norris' skills, Kevin Sorbo's swordplay, Hasselhoffs charm, and Steven Segals hair, all wrapped into one - making him an uber-human...

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #1090 on: August 12, 2013, 01:24:10 AM »
-1. That Images and Words is sounding very dated, and many rave about it because of popular opinion, but not because they listen to it that much anymore ;

Well, there are certain elements about it that sound very 90s, sure, but that doesn't mean it's not genuinely enjoyable in spite, or even because of them. I listen to it on a regular basis.
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« Reply #1091 on: August 12, 2013, 01:31:51 AM »
-1. That Images and Words is sounding very dated, and many rave about it because of popular opinion, but not because they listen to it that much anymore ;

Well, there are certain elements about it that sound very 90s, sure, but that doesn't mean it's not genuinely enjoyable in spite, or even because of them. I listen to it on a regular basis.

Hence a 'controversial opinion' :yarr Awesome bud, glad you still enjoy it  :tup

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« Reply #1092 on: August 12, 2013, 04:07:34 AM »
Mike Mangini need to stop ironing his hair straight it looks awful.

This.



Also will you ever an acoustic guitar in concert like Alex in Rush does. It would be a nice change.

He did last tour.

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« Reply #1093 on: August 12, 2013, 04:11:15 AM »
-1. That Images and Words is sounding very dated, and many rave about it because of popular opinion, but not because they listen to it that much anymore ;
It's probably the DT album that gets most frequently played by me. But I barely listen to DT anymore so whatever.

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« Reply #1094 on: August 12, 2013, 04:55:57 AM »
I like Octavarium, TOT and 6DOIT more than I&W. I don't enjoy listening to ACOS, and I think it's the 20 min song I like the least.
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« Reply #1095 on: August 12, 2013, 05:13:03 AM »
-WDADU is full of amazing songs that are almost unlistenable due to the production

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« Reply #1096 on: August 12, 2013, 06:15:37 AM »
What are you trying to deny that WDADU is the sonic equivalent of a turd? Good luck.
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« Reply #1097 on: August 12, 2013, 06:18:04 AM »
What are you trying to deny that WDADU is the sonic equivalent of a turd? Good luck.

I admit that the production sucks, but it doesn't make the songs unlistenable. It's not THAT bad.

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« Reply #1098 on: August 12, 2013, 06:27:38 AM »
John should go back the Ibanez,

When he was with Ibanez, his playing was more interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNRX_5o2YD8

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #1099 on: August 12, 2013, 07:53:29 AM »
What are you trying to deny that WDADU is the sonic equivalent of a turd? Good luck.
I admit that the production sucks, but it doesn't make the songs unlistenable. It's not THAT bad.
Agreed. Good music is good music even if the sound quality ain't great.
-Surrounded is a terrible song with no redeeming qualities, one of my least favorite DT songs
-Awake is an average album with a lot of songs I don't like, and not a single song I would consider a DT classic
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« Reply #1100 on: August 12, 2013, 08:28:49 AM »
John should go back the Ibanez,

When he was with Ibanez, his playing was more interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNRX_5o2YD8
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #1101 on: August 12, 2013, 12:49:41 PM »
JP's hair looks best when it's short. There, I said it.

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« Reply #1102 on: August 12, 2013, 01:00:52 PM »
JP's hair looks best when it's short. There, I said it.

Haha! I wouldn't say it looks best short, but I am a fan of this look for sure:

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« Reply #1103 on: August 12, 2013, 06:53:06 PM »
Can someone explain to me what exactly is so amazing about Awake? The only "classic" DT song on that album is SDV. Strangely enough, I also think Scarred is my favorite song from that album, and a lot of you people seem to hate it for some incomprehensible reason. Scarred is probably the catchiest "long" song on that album, and how can you not love the drumming near the end of the song? And that bass intro? I don't get DTF's opinions on this album as a whole. Really, guys?

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« Reply #1104 on: August 12, 2013, 07:30:10 PM »
Awake is amazing!  :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy

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« Reply #1105 on: August 12, 2013, 07:33:25 PM »
First three songs on Awake :  :tup

Everything after that :  :\


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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #1106 on: August 12, 2013, 07:37:20 PM »
These Walls is one of my least favorite DT songs. Don't dislike it, but it really never did much for me.

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« Reply #1107 on: August 12, 2013, 09:31:45 PM »
Can someone explain to me what exactly is so amazing about Awake? The only "classic" DT song on that album is SDV. Strangely enough, I also think Scarred is my favorite song from that album, and a lot of you people seem to hate it for some incomprehensible reason. Scarred is probably the catchiest "long" song on that album, and how can you not love the drumming near the end of the song? And that bass intro? I don't get DTF's opinions on this album as a whole. Really, guys?

I enjoy these types of opinions, as they really show the diversity of the music, and the fans reactions. I really enjoy awake, but for me, I think Space Dye Vest is one of the worst things they have done, yet love a great deal of the other material like The Mirror, Lie (particularly that ending solo), Innocence Faded, Voices, and my very fave, and one you already touched on - Scarred. But as much as I dislike SDV, the theme in that song, and how it is used in different tones in some of the other songs, is quite brilliant, and adds some really good cohesion. Not to mention, it sets a more dark and heavy tone following I&W, so it was very fresh sounding at the time, and could possibly resonate more with the fans who like the heavier stuff. So you likely aren't alone in your opinion (in fact, I feel the same way about I&W), but thats at least a little insight to why I at least really enjoy that album.

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« Reply #1108 on: August 12, 2013, 09:34:53 PM »
Awake might be my 2nd-least favorite DT album, to be honest. It's nowhere near bad, but the only songs on it I really like are 6:00 and The Mirror, the rest ranges from subpar to okay.
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« Reply #1109 on: August 12, 2013, 10:54:08 PM »
John should go back the Ibanez,

When he was with Ibanez, his playing was more interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNRX_5o2YD8
:hefdaddy to JPs playing in that vid.

Whoa.. This is just amazing. Why doesn't have play anymore with this kind of groove? :p
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #1110 on: August 12, 2013, 10:55:19 PM »
These Walls is one of my least favorite DT songs. Don't dislike it, but it really never did much for me.

And my controversial opinion is that it is one of my all-time favorites. For most, I guess it's just a mid-tier song.
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« Reply #1111 on: August 12, 2013, 11:00:20 PM »
These Walls is one of my least favorite DT songs. Don't dislike it, but it really never did much for me.

And my controversial opinion is that it is one of my all-time favorites. For most, I guess it's just a mid-tier song.

One of my favourites too! 
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« Reply #1112 on: August 12, 2013, 11:26:56 PM »
No way. Nothing beats the original Stargazer. Those covers are good but don't even come close to the originals IMO.

I was referring to the Originals on BC&SL. The cover album is better.
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« Reply #1113 on: August 13, 2013, 12:36:01 AM »
These Walls is one of my least favorite DT songs. Don't dislike it, but it really never did much for me.

And my controversial opinion is that it is one of my all-time favorites. For most, I guess it's just a mid-tier song.

Likewise, maybe even top 20 for me. It's possibly my favourite song on Octavarium, maybe more than the title track. Such beautiful melodies, a great lead line from JR, and a perfect use of changing time sigs that doesn't stick out. And it's one of their most tasteful songs. JP's solo has no shred at all. It's just a nice melody, that then repeats similarly over the final chorus.

Awake might be my 2nd-least favorite DT album, to be honest. It's nowhere near bad, but the only songs on it I really like are 6:00 and The Mirror, the rest ranges from subpar to okay.

It's one of my least favourite albums too, although I actually like the whole album up until Lie, and then dislike everything after that. We're in the controversial opinion thread, so I'm allowed to say that today!
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« Reply #1114 on: August 13, 2013, 12:37:19 AM »
I was referring to the Originals on BC&SL. The cover album is better.
My reply was to TGP.

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« Reply #1115 on: August 13, 2013, 03:15:55 AM »
James Labrie's last two albums were better than Dream Theaters last two albums. This new one is amazing.

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« Reply #1116 on: August 13, 2013, 04:36:38 AM »
SDV is my #5 DT song. Voices however is easily my least favourite Awake tune.

And :tup for the These Walls love here!

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« Reply #1117 on: August 13, 2013, 05:44:06 AM »
I don't know if these are controversial, I just needed to write it after reading some posts here:

Surrounded is easily a top 10 DT song.

I've never been able to love Scarred, although intro and outro are one of their best.

I often think that Take The Time is the best song ever done, it's so fresh, powerful, catchy and varied.

The only enjoyable thing of The Glass Prison might be the intro.

Rudess's lead solos have not been good for years, too much wankery . His piano/synth playing is way better.

The Mirror's intro and outro are simply genius.

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« Reply #1118 on: August 13, 2013, 05:49:20 AM »
not even close; I love it; no; no; yes; great, but there are better parts in the song

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« Reply #1119 on: August 13, 2013, 06:26:54 AM »


It's one of my least favourite albums too, although I actually like the whole album up until Lie, and then dislike everything after that. We're in the controversial opinion thread, so I'm allowed to say that today!

I'm not overly keen on Awake. I love the opening three tracks but then it bores me.