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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #770 on: April 15, 2013, 01:05:01 PM »
The 1993 version of ACOS is better.

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« Reply #771 on: April 15, 2013, 01:11:54 PM »
The 1993 version of ACOS is better.

I think some of the lyrics were definitely better. I mean, it just kills me every time MP repeats a word to force a rhyme:

"Look around, hear the sound, cherish your life while you're still around"

As opposed to the original,

"Look around, and hear the sound, another time like this can't be found"

Yeah, it's not quite as poetic, but it still gets the message across, and it doesn't freakin' repeat a word to make it rhyme!

Although to be fair, I do enjoy the lyrics in Another World better in the 1995 version.
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« Reply #772 on: April 15, 2013, 04:16:06 PM »
^ Found rhymes with Around, doesn't it? I don't think he would've changed that part for that reason.
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« Reply #773 on: April 15, 2013, 07:10:25 PM »
^ Found rhymes with Around, doesn't it? I don't think he would've changed that part for that reason.

It does, but I just think the whole wording of that phrase, "another time like this can't be found" doesn't flow with the music as well as, "Cherish your life.."... Actually, that's the main problem with all the original lyrics that were changed, was that they just flowed really weird with the music. But still, rhyming the same word with itself is something bad rappers do, I think MP is better than that, ESPECIALLY if he already had something else.

But I might be one of the only ones who has a problem with this. Just like I have a problem with him rhyming "Open" three times at the end of Glass Prison.
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« Reply #774 on: April 16, 2013, 12:34:09 AM »
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« Reply #775 on: April 16, 2013, 11:06:55 AM »
I like Blind Faith's chorus. It's quite good.

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« Reply #776 on: April 16, 2013, 12:37:04 PM »
I never found Metropolis pt. 2 so interesting and awesome than others. I think it's one of the weakest albums by DT.
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« Reply #777 on: April 16, 2013, 12:51:56 PM »
I never found Metropolis pt. 2 so interesting and awesome than others. I think it's one of the weakest albums by DT.

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« Reply #778 on: April 16, 2013, 01:24:51 PM »
I like Blind Faith's chorus. It's quite good.
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« Reply #779 on: April 16, 2013, 01:47:29 PM »
The 1993 version of ACOS is better.

Is that the mercy fuck version?

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« Reply #780 on: April 16, 2013, 01:48:56 PM »
The 1993 version of ACOS is better.

Is that the mercy fuck version?

Nah that's the version on the New York '93 Official Boot with Kevin. The original version. I think that Mercy Fuck was only said in like one show during the SFAM tour?
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« Reply #781 on: April 16, 2013, 01:59:32 PM »
I'd have to ask Wey, but I think it was done more than once.  I could be completely wrong, though.

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« Reply #782 on: April 16, 2013, 02:10:14 PM »
He would know. I think it was done on the last show of the Metrolpolis 2000 (10/21/2000  London, England). That's all I know.


personally I think it should have been kept in in the first place :)
I just don't understand what they were trying to achieve with any part of the song, either individually or as a whole. You know what? It's the Platypus of Dream Theater songs. That bill doesn't go with that tail, or that strange little furry body, or those webbed feet, and oh god why does it have venomous spurs!? And then you find out it lays eggs too. The difference is that the Platypus is somehow functional despite being a crazy mishmash or leftover animal pieces

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« Reply #783 on: April 16, 2013, 02:11:19 PM »
Oh, I totally agree.

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« Reply #784 on: April 16, 2013, 02:13:09 PM »
The "Mercy Fuck" ACOS was actually 6/9/1995 if memory serves.
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« Reply #785 on: April 16, 2013, 02:17:24 PM »
rhyming the same word with itself is something bad rappers do, I think MP is better than that,
Why do you think he's better than that?  He's done it more than once.  I see no reason to think he's better than that.
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« Reply #786 on: April 16, 2013, 02:29:39 PM »
I agree with the so-far nonexistent people who think "mercy fuck" is worse than "sympathy" there.

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I just don't understand what they were trying to achieve with any part of the song, either individually or as a whole. You know what? It's the Platypus of Dream Theater songs. That bill doesn't go with that tail, or that strange little furry body, or those webbed feet, and oh god why does it have venomous spurs!? And then you find out it lays eggs too. The difference is that the Platypus is somehow functional despite being a crazy mishmash or leftover animal pieces

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« Reply #788 on: April 16, 2013, 02:38:52 PM »
I agree with the so-far nonexistent people who think "mercy fuck" is worse than "sympathy" there.
I'm with you.

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« Reply #789 on: April 16, 2013, 02:46:24 PM »
The "Mercy Fuck" ACOS was actually 6/9/1995 if memory serves.

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Aha!  So it WAS done more than once. :hat

I agree with the so-far nonexistent people who think "mercy fuck" is worse than "sympathy" there.
I'm with you.
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« Reply #790 on: April 16, 2013, 02:57:49 PM »
The "Mercy Fuck" ACOS was actually 6/9/1995 if memory serves.

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Aha!  So it WAS done more than once. :hat




 Well in my dedence.. I remember reading about it in the tourography on MP.com (I used to study it extensively when bored) and I remember a note saying it was the ONLY time it was done. But I also know it was included in the outtakes from the Metropolis tour.


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I just don't understand what they were trying to achieve with any part of the song, either individually or as a whole. You know what? It's the Platypus of Dream Theater songs. That bill doesn't go with that tail, or that strange little furry body, or those webbed feet, and oh god why does it have venomous spurs!? And then you find out it lays eggs too. The difference is that the Platypus is somehow functional despite being a crazy mishmash or leftover animal pieces

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« Reply #791 on: April 16, 2013, 03:01:43 PM »
Ah, yeah, I have both performances! I'm not sure it is controversial, but the mercy fuck would have been quite out of place in the lyrics, IMO.

Plus, I like BMUBMD.  :blush
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« Reply #792 on: April 16, 2013, 03:03:06 PM »
Plus, I like BMUBMD.  :blush

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I just don't understand what they were trying to achieve with any part of the song, either individually or as a whole. You know what? It's the Platypus of Dream Theater songs. That bill doesn't go with that tail, or that strange little furry body, or those webbed feet, and oh god why does it have venomous spurs!? And then you find out it lays eggs too. The difference is that the Platypus is somehow functional despite being a crazy mishmash or leftover animal pieces

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« Reply #793 on: April 16, 2013, 03:14:02 PM »
Plus, I like BMUBMD.  :blush

BMUBMD IS A GREAT SONG DON'T BE EMBARASSED

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« Reply #794 on: April 16, 2013, 03:41:25 PM »
No, DON'T tell it to me Jay :D

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« Reply #795 on: April 16, 2013, 03:49:37 PM »
No, DON'T tell it to me Jay :D

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I just don't understand what they were trying to achieve with any part of the song, either individually or as a whole. You know what? It's the Platypus of Dream Theater songs. That bill doesn't go with that tail, or that strange little furry body, or those webbed feet, and oh god why does it have venomous spurs!? And then you find out it lays eggs too. The difference is that the Platypus is somehow functional despite being a crazy mishmash or leftover animal pieces

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« Reply #796 on: April 16, 2013, 04:05:53 PM »
Penguins can't hear a thing when they flap their wings frantically for the purpose.
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« Reply #797 on: April 16, 2013, 05:06:24 PM »
Burning My Soul is actually pretty decent, as is Just Let Me Breathe. Ok, all the goofy songs on Falling into Infinity are pretty decent.

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« Reply #798 on: April 16, 2013, 07:11:44 PM »
Burning My Soul is actually pretty decent, as is Just Let Me Breathe. Ok, all the goofy songs on Falling into Infinity are pretty decent.

Agreed. Falling into Infinity is my #3 DT album. Anna Lee and You not Me are the only songs on it that are merely passable, everything else ranges from good to fantastic. Most of the B-sides are quite good too.

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« Reply #799 on: April 16, 2013, 07:28:40 PM »
I like Blind Faith's chorus. It's quite good.

It's not so much the chorus as the complete 180 jump into it. Even the pre-chorus doesn't really set it up right.

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« Reply #800 on: April 16, 2013, 07:33:40 PM »
Sounds like a build up to me.

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« Reply #801 on: April 16, 2013, 09:10:41 PM »
Sounds like a build up to me.

I agree. I think there's a clear build-up there.
I can see the complaints about BF's chorus, as the pre-chorus and chorus were always one of the weaker parts of the song for me stopping me from getting into it, but I don't think the build-up is the problem there.

Burning My Soul is actually pretty decent, as is Just Let Me Breathe. Ok, all the goofy songs on Falling into Infinity are pretty decent.

I agree. BMS is cheesy, but I like it in a bonehead metal kind of way. And I really like JLMB too. The only songs I don't like on the album are YNM and TAMP, and I find both at least tolerable.
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« Reply #802 on: April 16, 2013, 09:23:01 PM »
TAMP is one of the best on the album.

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« Reply #803 on: April 16, 2013, 09:25:48 PM »
My problem with TAMP is mostly the vibe of it. KILLER guitar solo though.
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« Reply #804 on: April 16, 2013, 10:30:13 PM »
Burning My Soul is actually pretty decent, as is Just Let Me Breathe. Ok, all the goofy songs on Falling into Infinity are pretty decent.

I really like both those songs.
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