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Started by Lucidity, December 17, 2012, 07:28:25 PM

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Lolzeez

The 1993 version of ACOS is better.

TheGreatPretender

Quote from: Lolzeez on April 15, 2013, 12:05:01 PM
The 1993 version of ACOS is better.

I think some of the lyrics were definitely better. I mean, it just kills me every time MP repeats a word to force a rhyme:

"Look around, hear the sound, cherish your life while you're still around"

As opposed to the original,

"Look around, and hear the sound, another time like this can't be found"

Yeah, it's not quite as poetic, but it still gets the message across, and it doesn't freakin' repeat a word to make it rhyme!

Although to be fair, I do enjoy the lyrics in Another World better in the 1995 version.

GasparXR

^ Found rhymes with Around, doesn't it? I don't think he would've changed that part for that reason.

TheGreatPretender

Quote from: GasparXR on April 15, 2013, 03:16:06 PM
^ Found rhymes with Around, doesn't it? I don't think he would've changed that part for that reason.

It does, but I just think the whole wording of that phrase, "another time like this can't be found" doesn't flow with the music as well as, "Cherish your life.."... Actually, that's the main problem with all the original lyrics that were changed, was that they just flowed really weird with the music. But still, rhyming the same word with itself is something bad rappers do, I think MP is better than that, ESPECIALLY if he already had something else.

But I might be one of the only ones who has a problem with this. Just like I have a problem with him rhyming "Open" three times at the end of Glass Prison.

TheLordOfTheStrings

Quote from: farizfariz on April 14, 2013, 08:46:35 AM
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I'm sorry, but your opinion is just.. wrong.











And that's my controversial opinion.  ;D

Zook

I like Blind Faith's chorus. It's quite good.

YtseJamittaja

I never found Metropolis pt. 2 so interesting and awesome than others. I think it's one of the weakest albums by DT.

TheGreatPretender

Quote from: YtseJamittaja on April 16, 2013, 11:37:04 AM
I never found Metropolis pt. 2 so interesting and awesome than others. I think it's one of the weakest albums by DT.

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DebraKadabra


JayOctavarium

Quote from: DebraKadabra on April 16, 2013, 12:47:29 PM
Quote from: Lolzeez on April 15, 2013, 12:05:01 PM
The 1993 version of ACOS is better.

Is that the mercy fuck version?

Nah that's the version on the New York '93 Official Boot with Kevin. The original version. I think that Mercy Fuck was only said in like one show during the SFAM tour?

DebraKadabra

I'd have to ask Wey, but I think it was done more than once.  I could be completely wrong, though.

JayOctavarium

He would know. I think it was done on the last show of the Metrolpolis 2000 (10/21/2000  London, England). That's all I know.


personally I think it should have been kept in in the first place :)

DebraKadabra


Weymolith

The "Mercy Fuck" ACOS was actually 6/9/1995 if memory serves.

hefdaddy42

Quote from: TheGreatPretender on April 15, 2013, 06:10:25 PM
rhyming the same word with itself is something bad rappers do, I think MP is better than that,
Why do you think he's better than that?  He's done it more than once.  I see no reason to think he's better than that.
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MoraWintersoul

I agree with the so-far nonexistent people who think "mercy fuck" is worse than "sympathy" there.

JayOctavarium


Lolzeez

Quote from: MoraWintersoul on April 16, 2013, 01:29:39 PM
I agree with the so-far nonexistent people who think "mercy fuck" is worse than "sympathy" there.
I'm with you.

DebraKadabra


JayOctavarium

Quote from: DebraKadabra on April 16, 2013, 01:46:24 PM
Quote from: JayOctavarium on April 16, 2013, 01:36:14 PM
Quote from: Weymolith on April 16, 2013, 01:13:09 PM
The "Mercy Fuck" ACOS was actually 6/9/1995 if memory serves.

We are both right

https://www.mikeportnoy.com/dates/tourography/?show=298

https://www.mikeportnoy.com/dates/tourography/?show=589

:dangerwillrobinson:

Aha!  So it WAS done more than once. :hat




Well in my dedence.. I remember reading about it in the tourography on MP.com (I used to study it extensively when bored) and I remember a note saying it was the ONLY time it was done. But I also know it was included in the outtakes from the Metropolis tour.


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wasteland

Ah, yeah, I have both performances! I'm not sure it is controversial, but the mercy fuck would have been quite out of place in the lyrics, IMO.

Plus, I like BMUBMD.  :blush

JayOctavarium


wasteland


MoraWintersoul


JayOctavarium


wasteland

Penguins can't hear a thing when they flap their wings frantically for the purpose.

Zook

Burning My Soul is actually pretty decent, as is Just Let Me Breathe. Ok, all the goofy songs on Falling into Infinity are pretty decent.

JoeG

Quote from: Zook on April 16, 2013, 04:06:24 PM
Burning My Soul is actually pretty decent, as is Just Let Me Breathe. Ok, all the goofy songs on Falling into Infinity are pretty decent.

Agreed. Falling into Infinity is my #3 DT album. Anna Lee and You not Me are the only songs on it that are merely passable, everything else ranges from good to fantastic. Most of the B-sides are quite good too.

Other controversial opinions:

Sacrificed Sons is the best song on Octavarium.
The Best of Times is the best song on BC&SL and is a top 10 DT song.
The Glass Prison and the title track are two of the weaker points of SDOIT.
ACOS is massively overrated.
"The Reckoning" is one of the better parts of ITPOE, which is overall a very strong song.
Every Live at Budokan performance of a Train of Thought song is superior to the album version.
Only a Matter of Time is a top 20 DT song.

orcus116

Quote from: Zook on April 16, 2013, 10:06:55 AM
I like Blind Faith's chorus. It's quite good.

It's not so much the chorus as the complete 180 jump into it. Even the pre-chorus doesn't really set it up right.

Zook


BlobVanDam

Quote from: Zook on April 16, 2013, 06:33:40 PM
Sounds like a build up to me.

I agree. I think there's a clear build-up there.
I can see the complaints about BF's chorus, as the pre-chorus and chorus were always one of the weaker parts of the song for me stopping me from getting into it, but I don't think the build-up is the problem there.

Quote from: Zook on April 16, 2013, 04:06:24 PM
Burning My Soul is actually pretty decent, as is Just Let Me Breathe. Ok, all the goofy songs on Falling into Infinity are pretty decent.

I agree. BMS is cheesy, but I like it in a bonehead metal kind of way. And I really like JLMB too. The only songs I don't like on the album are YNM and TAMP, and I find both at least tolerable.

Zook

TAMP is one of the best on the album.

BlobVanDam

My problem with TAMP is mostly the vibe of it. KILLER guitar solo though.

wolfking

Quote from: Zook on April 16, 2013, 04:06:24 PM
Burning My Soul is actually pretty decent, as is Just Let Me Breathe. Ok, all the goofy songs on Falling into Infinity are pretty decent.

I really like both those songs.