Your Controversial Opinions on DT

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TheLordOfTheStrings

Quote from: MoraWintersoul on January 18, 2013, 12:42:21 PM
Quote from: TheLordOfTheStrings on January 18, 2013, 12:40:27 PM
He just simply said he would love to be able to write lyrics to every song on an album one day. He said every album he thinks he'll be able to but then someone will say they want to do lyrics for a song and he'll be like "damn".
We need a Polite Pirate James meme :lol :lol
I was actually talking about JP. hahaha.

Madman Shepherd

Quote from: wasteland on January 18, 2013, 09:11:50 AM
Quote from: SystematicThought on January 18, 2013, 09:03:56 AM
Quote from: Scotto123 on January 17, 2013, 07:28:28 PM
I remember a quote from JP stating that he was upset when he couldn't write all the lyrics to an album. Which is kind of weird.
I remember JLB saying that he had a few other lyrics for ADTOE but they were rejected. I don't remember JP saying that though

Yes, it's the first time I hear of that myself. Ah, I seem to remember that James submitted lyrics for Outcry. Can anyone confirm this or is it a fake memory of mine?

I heard James had submitted lyrics for possibly 3 other songs but that was from a guy that read it in a foreign interview and I never did get to confirm that myself.  Thats kind of disappointing if its true. 

?

JM will probably continue the tradition of writing lyrics for one song per album, but I hope James will get to write more to make things more varied.

MoraWintersoul

Quote from: TheLordOfTheStrings on January 18, 2013, 04:24:05 PM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on January 18, 2013, 12:42:21 PM
Quote from: TheLordOfTheStrings on January 18, 2013, 12:40:27 PM
He just simply said he would love to be able to write lyrics to every song on an album one day. He said every album he thinks he'll be able to but then someone will say they want to do lyrics for a song and he'll be like "damn".
We need a Polite Pirate James meme :lol :lol
I was actually talking about JP. hahaha.
* WE NEED A POLITE BEAR JOHN MEME. THE POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS.

wasteland

Quote from: MoraWintersoul on January 19, 2013, 12:56:40 AM
Quote from: TheLordOfTheStrings on January 18, 2013, 04:24:05 PM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on January 18, 2013, 12:42:21 PM
Quote from: TheLordOfTheStrings on January 18, 2013, 12:40:27 PM
He just simply said he would love to be able to write lyrics to every song on an album one day. He said every album he thinks he'll be able to but then someone will say they want to do lyrics for a song and he'll be like "damn".
We need a Polite Pirate James meme :lol :lol
I was actually talking about JP. hahaha.
* WE NEED A POLITE BEAR JOHN MEME. THE POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS.


jhonvictor

OTBOA/BAI are the best DT songs since 2005.
Constant Motion is AWESOME, so is Dark Eternal Night.
Shattered Fortress is a GOOD song.

ReaperKK

Quote from: jdprsaga on January 18, 2013, 12:27:11 PM
first ... I have to jump in into the jlb controversy wagon..

not that i don't like it at all, but all my friends (non are prog fans) say they can't listen to dream theater cause labrie voice is too annoying, specially live.


I was the same way for a while but then JLB's voice grew on me and it wasn't so bad, until I saw him live. I saw him live the first time during the QR and DT tour in 2003 and man, I thought I was listening to a chipmunk, and it felt like I was the only one, like I was taking crazy pills or something.

wasteland

Quote from: ReaperKK on January 19, 2013, 05:00:59 AM
Quote from: jdprsaga on January 18, 2013, 12:27:11 PM
first ... I have to jump in into the jlb controversy wagon..

not that i don't like it at all, but all my friends (non are prog fans) say they can't listen to dream theater cause labrie voice is too annoying, specially live.


I was the same way for a while but then JLB's voice grew on me and it wasn't so bad, until I saw him live. I saw him live the first time during the QR and DT tour in 2003 and man, I thought I was listening to a chipmunk, and it felt like I was the only one, like I was taking crazy pills or something.

2003 had many quite iffy performances, but you have to understand him, he had just started his vocal restyle that ultimately succeeded in saving his career.

Yazman

I guess my one controversial DT opinion is that Pull Me Under really isn't that great. While I can't say there are any DT songs I don't like, Pull Me Under is one of my least liked ones. It's cool and all but I don't get what the big fuss is. It's nothing special.

BlobVanDam

Quote from: Yazman on January 19, 2013, 05:38:49 AM
I guess my one controversial DT opinion is that Pull Me Under really isn't that great. While I can't say there are any DT songs I don't like, Pull Me Under is one of my least liked ones. It's cool and all but I don't get what the big fuss is. It's nothing special.

I think the big fuss is mostly that it happened to be the "hit" of the album, and is a more accessible song for the average listener.
I don't think it's overrated here compared to other songs from IaW though. I think it's a great song, but I'd only rank it middle or lower half of the album (which is no shame for such a consistently good album), and I'm sure a lot of people here feel the same. Metropolis and LTL are consistently much more highly regarded, as are probably other songs on the album like TTT and UAGM.
I don't know, it can be hard to gauge with IaW, since every song seems to get its fair share of love.

ZKX-2099

There's no bad song on Images & Words, just the least great.

Prog Snob

Quote from: Yazman on January 19, 2013, 05:38:49 AM
I guess my one controversial DT opinion is that Pull Me Under really isn't that great. While I can't say there are any DT songs I don't like, Pull Me Under is one of my least liked ones. It's cool and all but I don't get what the big fuss is. It's nothing special.

I get what you are saying.  I, too, think it is probably one of their most overplayed live songs (there are some other great songs I'd love to see them dig out for the next tour).  However for me, it is more about nostalgia and appreciating the song that got me and probably a lot of other fans here in Dream Theater in the first place.  I remember hearing it on a local radio station back in 1992 and immediately wanting to hear more from this band.  That is just my take on it.  The lyrics are still great to listen to even 20 years later also.

King Postwhore

It's funny but being from that era, PMU is what got me into DT, like Prog Snob has said, I heard it on the radio and was searching for something heavier that was proggy and lucky for me DT came along so I have much love for PMU.
"I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate those who do. And for the people who like country music, denigrate means 'put down'." - Bon Newhart.

MirzekDT

Quote from: jhonvictor on January 19, 2013, 04:21:00 AM
Shattered Fortress is a GOOD song.

WTF is controversial about this??? It's awesome song, probably my favorite from BC&SL, the second favorite at least. Now my opinion may be controversial for some people but that it's a GOOD song? Does really everybody hate it so much? Sorry, I just enjoy The Shattered Fortress too much :)

BTW The Shattered Fortress is much better than The Glass Prison if you want some controversial opinion. And don't worry I really like The Glass Prison but it's definitely my least favorite from Six Degrees even though every song is very good on Six Degrees...

Madman Shepherd

Quote from: MirzekDT on January 19, 2013, 07:33:35 AM
Quote from: jhonvictor on January 19, 2013, 04:21:00 AM
Shattered Fortress is a GOOD song.

WTF is controversial about this??? It's awesome song, probably my favorite from BC&SL, the second favorite at least. Now my opinion may be controversial for some people but that it's a GOOD song? Does really everybody hate it so much? Sorry, I just enjoy The Shattered Fortress too much :)


I think with most people, me included, that don't like the song think that it is just a bunch of recycled riffs that don't seem to fit that seamlessly. 

snapple

Quote from: ZKX-2099 on January 19, 2013, 05:51:52 AM
There's no bad song on Images & Words, just the least great.

Not many people are going to argue with you on that.

JayOctavarium

Ministry of Lost Souls is a top 15 song

These Walls and Endless Sacrifice are top 10

jhonvictor

Outcry sucks compared to the rest of the album.
As I Am is the 2nd best of the album, and for sure a top 30 song. (idk why it gets so much hate)

Zook

As I Am's chorus is pretty lackluster, especially after the rockin' verses. I don't mind the lyrics, it's just the chorus that brings it down for me.

wasteland

Quote from: Zook on January 20, 2013, 06:08:47 AM
As I Am's chorus is pretty lackluster, especially after the rockin' verses. I don't mind the lyrics, it's just the chorus that brings it down for me.

This is exactly how I feel too! The first verse is actually quite to very cool! :)

?

As I Am is a pretty cool rocker and one of DT's better straightforward metal songs, but I think it could've been really awesome if they had built the whole song around the slow beginning part, as I love doom metal! :metal

chaotic_ripper


Zook

Raw Dog isn't bad at all, but not something I want to listen to all the time. Maybe once a year or something.

Onno

Quote from: jhonvictor on January 20, 2013, 03:33:33 AM
Outcry sucks compared to the rest of the album.
I agree. Well, a bit. I don't like the lyrics (subject is good, but way too cheesy) and I am indifferent towards the instrumental parts.

Scorpion

Yeah, I agree. I mean, I'm not really focused on lyrics all that much so it doesn't really bother me when the song comes up, but when I actively focus on the lyrics, I'm always thinking that it's a very direct lyrical approach, perhaps too direct to have the effect that it could have had.

JayOctavarium

Quote from: ZKX-2099 on January 19, 2013, 05:51:52 AM
There's no bad song on Images & Words, just the least great.


Except Surrounded.

MoraWintersoul


JayOctavarium

lol


I have to be in a certain mood to listen to Surrounded. It's also one of the few songs in DT's discography I will skip when it comes on in the context of the album. It was amazing live though... like I said... I have to be in the mood to listen to  it.

Scorpion


Onno

Quote from: Scorpion on January 20, 2013, 09:29:09 AM
Yeah, I agree. I mean, I'm not really focused on lyrics all that much so it doesn't really bother me when the song comes up, but when I actively focus on the lyrics, I'm always thinking that it's a very direct lyrical approach, perhaps too direct to have the effect that it could have had.
Hell, I even like the lyrics to Count of Tuscany better. I mean, the Arabian spring was really, well, a big event, and it's not a bad thing to write lyrics about that. But things like "Freedom has a price, the cost is buried in the ground" are just so incredibly cheesy. JP could've written better lyrics and still be direct.

Lolzeez

Here's a new one.

The Silent Man is the best song off Awake.

TheLordOfTheStrings

Here's one.

I actually think Dream Theater sucks, but they had a forum and some threads, so what the fuck.

GasparXR

Quote from: Lolzeez on January 20, 2013, 12:53:30 PM
Here's a new one.

The Silent Man is the best song off Awake.

It's one my favourites off the album as well. The Mirror and Caught in a Web tie with it, in my opinion.

Prog Snob

Quote from: Zook on January 20, 2013, 06:08:47 AM
As I Am's chorus is pretty lackluster, especially after the rockin' verses. I don't mind the lyrics, it's just the chorus that brings it down for me.

I do not like green eggs and ham.  Sam I am.

Zook

Quote from: Prog Snob on January 20, 2013, 03:36:54 PM
Quote from: Zook on January 20, 2013, 06:08:47 AM
As I Am's chorus is pretty lackluster, especially after the rockin' verses. I don't mind the lyrics, it's just the chorus that brings it down for me.

I do not like them Sam I am. I do not like green eggs and ham.

Could you would you in a boat?

Would you could you with a goat?