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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #560 on: January 18, 2013, 05:24:05 PM »
He just simply said he would love to be able to write lyrics to every song on an album one day. He said every album he thinks he'll be able to but then someone will say they want to do lyrics for a song and he'll be like "damn".
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« Reply #561 on: January 18, 2013, 05:44:05 PM »
I remember a quote from JP stating that he was upset when he couldn't write all the lyrics to an album. Which is kind of weird.
I remember JLB saying that he had a few other lyrics for ADTOE but they were rejected. I don't remember JP saying that though

Yes, it's the first time I hear of that myself. Ah, I seem to remember that James submitted lyrics for Outcry. Can anyone confirm this or is it a fake memory of mine?

I heard James had submitted lyrics for possibly 3 other songs but that was from a guy that read it in a foreign interview and I never did get to confirm that myself.  Thats kind of disappointing if its true. 

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« Reply #562 on: January 19, 2013, 01:16:23 AM »
JM will probably continue the tradition of writing lyrics for one song per album, but I hope James will get to write more to make things more varied.

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« Reply #563 on: January 19, 2013, 01:56:40 AM »
He just simply said he would love to be able to write lyrics to every song on an album one day. He said every album he thinks he'll be able to but then someone will say they want to do lyrics for a song and he'll be like "damn".
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« Reply #564 on: January 19, 2013, 02:10:32 AM »
He just simply said he would love to be able to write lyrics to every song on an album one day. He said every album he thinks he'll be able to but then someone will say they want to do lyrics for a song and he'll be like "damn".
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« Reply #565 on: January 19, 2013, 05:21:00 AM »
OTBOA/BAI are the best DT songs since 2005.
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« Reply #566 on: January 19, 2013, 06:00:59 AM »
first ... I have to jump in into the jlb controversy wagon..

not that i don't like it at all, but all my friends (non are prog fans) say they can't listen to dream theater cause labrie voice is too annoying, specially live.


I was the same way for a while but then JLB's voice grew on me and it wasn't so bad, until I saw him live. I saw him live the first time during the QR and DT tour in 2003 and man, I thought I was listening to a chipmunk, and it felt like I was the only one, like I was taking crazy pills or something.

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« Reply #567 on: January 19, 2013, 06:04:00 AM »
first ... I have to jump in into the jlb controversy wagon..

not that i don't like it at all, but all my friends (non are prog fans) say they can't listen to dream theater cause labrie voice is too annoying, specially live.


I was the same way for a while but then JLB's voice grew on me and it wasn't so bad, until I saw him live. I saw him live the first time during the QR and DT tour in 2003 and man, I thought I was listening to a chipmunk, and it felt like I was the only one, like I was taking crazy pills or something.

2003 had many quite iffy performances, but you have to understand him, he had just started his vocal restyle that ultimately succeeded in saving his career.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #568 on: January 19, 2013, 06:38:49 AM »
I guess my one controversial DT opinion is that Pull Me Under really isn't that great. While I can't say there are any DT songs I don't like, Pull Me Under is one of my least liked ones. It's cool and all but I don't get what the big fuss is. It's nothing special.

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« Reply #569 on: January 19, 2013, 06:45:50 AM »
I guess my one controversial DT opinion is that Pull Me Under really isn't that great. While I can't say there are any DT songs I don't like, Pull Me Under is one of my least liked ones. It's cool and all but I don't get what the big fuss is. It's nothing special.

I think the big fuss is mostly that it happened to be the "hit" of the album, and is a more accessible song for the average listener.
I don't think it's overrated here compared to other songs from IaW though. I think it's a great song, but I'd only rank it middle or lower half of the album (which is no shame for such a consistently good album), and I'm sure a lot of people here feel the same. Metropolis and LTL are consistently much more highly regarded, as are probably other songs on the album like TTT and UAGM.
I don't know, it can be hard to gauge with IaW, since every song seems to get its fair share of love.
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« Reply #570 on: January 19, 2013, 06:51:52 AM »
There's no bad song on Images & Words, just the least great.

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« Reply #571 on: January 19, 2013, 07:10:52 AM »
I guess my one controversial DT opinion is that Pull Me Under really isn't that great. While I can't say there are any DT songs I don't like, Pull Me Under is one of my least liked ones. It's cool and all but I don't get what the big fuss is. It's nothing special.

I get what you are saying.  I, too, think it is probably one of their most overplayed live songs (there are some other great songs I'd love to see them dig out for the next tour).  However for me, it is more about nostalgia and appreciating the song that got me and probably a lot of other fans here in Dream Theater in the first place.  I remember hearing it on a local radio station back in 1992 and immediately wanting to hear more from this band.  That is just my take on it.  The lyrics are still great to listen to even 20 years later also.

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« Reply #572 on: January 19, 2013, 07:23:04 AM »
It's funny but being from that era, PMU is what got me into DT, like Prog Snob has said, I heard it on the radio and was searching for something heavier that was proggy and lucky for me DT came along so I have much love for PMU.
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« Reply #573 on: January 19, 2013, 08:33:35 AM »
Shattered Fortress is a GOOD song.

WTF is controversial about this??? It's awesome song, probably my favorite from BC&SL, the second favorite at least. Now my opinion may be controversial for some people but that it's a GOOD song? Does really everybody hate it so much? Sorry, I just enjoy The Shattered Fortress too much :)

BTW The Shattered Fortress is much better than The Glass Prison if you want some controversial opinion. And don't worry I really like The Glass Prison but it's definitely my least favorite from Six Degrees even though every song is very good on Six Degrees...

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« Reply #574 on: January 19, 2013, 09:06:10 AM »
Shattered Fortress is a GOOD song.

WTF is controversial about this??? It's awesome song, probably my favorite from BC&SL, the second favorite at least. Now my opinion may be controversial for some people but that it's a GOOD song? Does really everybody hate it so much? Sorry, I just enjoy The Shattered Fortress too much :)


I think with most people, me included, that don't like the song think that it is just a bunch of recycled riffs that don't seem to fit that seamlessly. 

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #575 on: January 19, 2013, 09:15:06 AM »
There's no bad song on Images & Words, just the least great.

Not many people are going to argue with you on that.

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« Reply #576 on: January 19, 2013, 09:50:12 AM »
Ministry of Lost Souls is a top 15 song

These Walls and Endless Sacrifice are top 10
I just don't understand what they were trying to achieve with any part of the song, either individually or as a whole. You know what? It's the Platypus of Dream Theater songs. That bill doesn't go with that tail, or that strange little furry body, or those webbed feet, and oh god why does it have venomous spurs!? And then you find out it lays eggs too. The difference is that the Platypus is somehow functional despite being a crazy mishmash or leftover animal pieces

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« Reply #577 on: January 20, 2013, 04:33:33 AM »
Outcry sucks compared to the rest of the album.
As I Am is the 2nd best of the album, and for sure a top 30 song. (idk why it gets so much hate)

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #578 on: January 20, 2013, 07:08:47 AM »
As I Am's chorus is pretty lackluster, especially after the rockin' verses. I don't mind the lyrics, it's just the chorus that brings it down for me.

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« Reply #579 on: January 20, 2013, 08:05:04 AM »
As I Am's chorus is pretty lackluster, especially after the rockin' verses. I don't mind the lyrics, it's just the chorus that brings it down for me.

This is exactly how I feel too! The first verse is actually quite to very cool! :)
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« Reply #580 on: January 20, 2013, 09:55:46 AM »
As I Am is a pretty cool rocker and one of DT's better straightforward metal songs, but I think it could've been really awesome if they had built the whole song around the slow beginning part, as I love doom metal! :metal

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« Reply #581 on: January 20, 2013, 10:10:47 AM »
I actually like Raw Dog.  :omg:

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« Reply #582 on: January 20, 2013, 10:16:36 AM »
Raw Dog isn't bad at all, but not something I want to listen to all the time. Maybe once a year or something.

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« Reply #583 on: January 20, 2013, 10:19:51 AM »
Outcry sucks compared to the rest of the album.
I agree. Well, a bit. I don't like the lyrics (subject is good, but way too cheesy) and I am indifferent towards the instrumental parts.

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« Reply #584 on: January 20, 2013, 10:29:09 AM »
Yeah, I agree. I mean, I'm not really focused on lyrics all that much so it doesn't really bother me when the song comes up, but when I actively focus on the lyrics, I'm always thinking that it's a very direct lyrical approach, perhaps too direct to have the effect that it could have had.
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« Reply #585 on: January 20, 2013, 12:32:04 PM »
There's no bad song on Images & Words, just the least great.


Except Surrounded.
I just don't understand what they were trying to achieve with any part of the song, either individually or as a whole. You know what? It's the Platypus of Dream Theater songs. That bill doesn't go with that tail, or that strange little furry body, or those webbed feet, and oh god why does it have venomous spurs!? And then you find out it lays eggs too. The difference is that the Platypus is somehow functional despite being a crazy mishmash or leftover animal pieces

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« Reply #586 on: January 20, 2013, 12:42:06 PM »
There's no bad song on Images & Words, just the least great.


Except Surrounded.

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« Reply #587 on: January 20, 2013, 12:44:45 PM »
lol


I have to be in a certain mood to listen to Surrounded. It's also one of the few songs in DT's discography I will skip when it comes on in the context of the album. It was amazing live though... like I said... I have to be in the mood to listen to  it.
I just don't understand what they were trying to achieve with any part of the song, either individually or as a whole. You know what? It's the Platypus of Dream Theater songs. That bill doesn't go with that tail, or that strange little furry body, or those webbed feet, and oh god why does it have venomous spurs!? And then you find out it lays eggs too. The difference is that the Platypus is somehow functional despite being a crazy mishmash or leftover animal pieces

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« Reply #588 on: January 20, 2013, 12:51:48 PM »
There's no bad song on Images & Words, just the least great.


Except Surrounded.

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« Reply #589 on: January 20, 2013, 01:23:41 PM »
Yeah, I agree. I mean, I'm not really focused on lyrics all that much so it doesn't really bother me when the song comes up, but when I actively focus on the lyrics, I'm always thinking that it's a very direct lyrical approach, perhaps too direct to have the effect that it could have had.
Hell, I even like the lyrics to Count of Tuscany better. I mean, the Arabian spring was really, well, a big event, and it's not a bad thing to write lyrics about that. But things like "Freedom has a price, the cost is buried in the ground" are just so incredibly cheesy. JP could've written better lyrics and still be direct.

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« Reply #590 on: January 20, 2013, 01:53:30 PM »
Here's a new one.

The Silent Man is the best song off Awake.

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« Reply #591 on: January 20, 2013, 02:52:26 PM »
Here's one.

I actually think Dream Theater sucks, but they had a forum and some threads, so what the fuck.
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« Reply #592 on: January 20, 2013, 03:08:36 PM »
Here's a new one.

The Silent Man is the best song off Awake.

It's one my favourites off the album as well. The Mirror and Caught in a Web tie with it, in my opinion.

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #593 on: January 20, 2013, 04:36:54 PM »
As I Am's chorus is pretty lackluster, especially after the rockin' verses. I don't mind the lyrics, it's just the chorus that brings it down for me.

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« Reply #594 on: January 20, 2013, 05:42:21 PM »
As I Am's chorus is pretty lackluster, especially after the rockin' verses. I don't mind the lyrics, it's just the chorus that brings it down for me.

I do not like them Sam I am. I do not like green eggs and ham.

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