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« Reply #455 on: January 03, 2013, 02:07:20 PM »
Awake is the best album.  :hat

I'm with this guy. Awake is my favorite album of all time. I'm scared to know how much I've listened to it.

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« Reply #456 on: January 03, 2013, 02:29:05 PM »
Awake is the best album.  :hat

I'm with this guy. Awake is my favorite album of all time. I'm scared to know how much I've listened to it.

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« Reply #457 on: January 03, 2013, 02:44:50 PM »
It's my second-borderline-third favourite album. I hold with those who favor Images, but I think I know enough of me to say that as an album Awake is also great, and would suffice. :)
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« Reply #458 on: January 03, 2013, 03:44:23 PM »
For all you Awake fans. Bad ass right... right  :facepalm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD7OdyY1js4

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« Reply #459 on: January 03, 2013, 03:57:23 PM »
It's one song off the album.
And I love it AND YOU CAN TELL YOUR STEPFATHER I SAID SO!

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« Reply #460 on: January 03, 2013, 04:01:02 PM »
Why is the camera constantly flying into some trucks  :rollin

Also, they cut the best part of the song, damn.
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« Reply #461 on: January 03, 2013, 04:04:16 PM »
Why is the camera constantly flying into some trucks  :rollin

Also, they cut the best part of the song, damn.
Because JP is angry. So angry he needs to wear shades so you do not see the anger in his eyes. Hey, they're better than JLB's :facepalm:

Yeah that kind of sucks - that part "justifies" the song. I wish I could express myself better :lol

Would like to hear that demo of Kevin singing it MP talked about if it exists still somewhere. I know it doesn't because the world hates me. :mora:

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« Reply #462 on: January 03, 2013, 04:10:13 PM »
Milena, you know better than me that MP wastes nothing. The demos is there, in his vault, in our wishes...  ::)
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« Reply #463 on: January 03, 2013, 05:39:58 PM »
For all you Awake fans. Bad ass right... right  :facepalm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD7OdyY1js4

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More badass than anything they did on 8VM, SC and BC&SL.
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« Reply #464 on: January 03, 2013, 05:41:30 PM »
For all you Awake fans. Bad ass right... right  :facepalm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD7OdyY1js4

:barf:

it's almost the worst song on the album. Like that means anything; Awake is still a top 10 album ever for me and the last very good one they did.

this thread was for controversial opinions right?
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« Reply #465 on: January 03, 2013, 06:35:58 PM »
I always wondered if this is controversial or not: all of DT's earlier album covers (up until SFAM, which is great) are cheesy and/or downright ugly. Those that come after SFAM are nothing to write home about either, which is a shame, considering how many great album covers the prog genre produced over the decades.


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« Reply #466 on: January 03, 2013, 06:48:26 PM »
Lie is a great song.

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« Reply #467 on: January 03, 2013, 06:50:15 PM »
For all you Awake fans. Bad ass right... right  :facepalm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD7OdyY1js4

:barf:
More badass than anything they did on 8VM, SC and BC&SL.

Not sure if serious.

For all you Awake fans. Bad ass right... right  :facepalm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD7OdyY1js4

:barf:

it's almost the worst song on the album. Like that means anything; Awake is still a top 10 album ever for me and the last very good one they did.

this thread was for controversial opinions right?

There's two problems with Awake:
Lie
SDV

Great moments are definitely Erotomania and 6:00. And there's a cowbell moment in CIAW. More cowbell please. Other than that, it's an average album at best with JLB just screaming most of the time.

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« Reply #468 on: January 03, 2013, 07:26:16 PM »
For all you Awake fans. Bad ass right... right  :facepalm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD7OdyY1js4

:barf:
More badass than anything they did on 8VM, SC and BC&SL.

Not sure if serious.

Completely serious. But I guess people with the "EPIC LONG SONGS AND TIME SIGNATURES CHANGES" or "Metal" mentality are always against the relative simplicity, and the metal/not so metal approach of Awake.

Awake is most definetly their hardest album to get into, but once you do. You get to love it. Awake and I&W were the first DT albums I got and I hated Awake at first, i felt like Scarred was akward and SDV was bad. But now, Awake is almost the only DT album I listen religously and Scarred is a top 3 song for me.
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« Reply #469 on: January 03, 2013, 10:32:10 PM »
Completely serious. But I guess people with the "EPIC LONG SONGS AND TIME SIGNATURES CHANGES" or "Metal" mentality are always against the relative simplicity, and the metal/not so metal approach of Awake.

Yeah, but at the same time, hating on long songs and time signature changes just for the sake of principle, or because the fans of those songs might be a little overzealous isn't right either.

But Lie is awesome, and the music video is actually pretty damn cool.
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« Reply #470 on: January 03, 2013, 10:35:37 PM »
For all you Awake fans. Bad ass right... right  :facepalm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD7OdyY1js4

:barf:
More badass than anything they did on 8VM, SC and BC&SL.

Not sure if serious.

Completely serious. But I guess people with the "EPIC LONG SONGS AND TIME SIGNATURES CHANGES" or "Metal" mentality are always against the relative simplicity, and the metal/not so metal approach of Awake.

Awake is most definetly their hardest album to get into, but once you do. You get to love it. Awake and I&W were the first DT albums I got and I hated Awake at first, i felt like Scarred was akward and SDV was bad. But now, Awake is almost the only DT album I listen religously and Scarred is a top 3 song for me.

Come on man, saying that Lie is better than anything from those albums is quite the stretch. And BTW some of my favorite DT songs are the more straight forward ones.

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« Reply #471 on: January 03, 2013, 10:45:51 PM »
You guys are gonna love where Lie ends up on my Top 50. Hint: (spoilerz) I like it more than any song from Octavarium, Systematic Chaos, and Black Clouds.
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« Reply #472 on: January 04, 2013, 12:08:30 AM »
They say a picture says 1000 words, so I'll go with that-



The Mirror is a healthy human being, and Lie is a chestburster that pops out of nowhere and completely kills it.
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« Reply #473 on: January 04, 2013, 12:09:59 AM »
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« Reply #474 on: January 04, 2013, 01:19:18 AM »
Oh yeah, Lie is better than The Mirror too.
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« Reply #475 on: January 04, 2013, 03:16:30 AM »
For all you Awake fans. Bad ass right... right  :facepalm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD7OdyY1js4

:barf:
More badass than anything they did on 8VM, SC and BC&SL.

Not sure if serious.

For all you Awake fans. Bad ass right... right  :facepalm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD7OdyY1js4

:barf:

it's almost the worst song on the album. Like that means anything; Awake is still a top 10 album ever for me and the last very good one they did.

this thread was for controversial opinions right?

There's two problems with Awake:
Lie
SDV

Great moments are definitely Erotomania and 6:00. And there's a cowbell moment in CIAW. More cowbell please. Other than that, it's an average album at best with JLB just screaming most of the time.
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« Reply #476 on: January 04, 2013, 03:20:34 AM »
Yes... I don't understand. Does the performance on Voices, The Silent Man, Space Dye Vest look like screaming to you?  :o

I'm sorry if I come out as a bit blunt, but I thought that there was a general consensus that Awake showcases the best studio performance by James.
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« Reply #477 on: January 04, 2013, 03:28:51 AM »
Yes... I don't understand. Does the performance on Voices, The Silent Man, Space Dye Vest look like screaming to you?  :o

I'm sorry if I come out as a bit blunt, but I thought that there was a general consensus that Awake showcases the best studio performance by James.

Not to mention Innocence Faded, which is my personal favorite of all his performances.


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« Reply #478 on: January 04, 2013, 03:52:03 AM »
Yes... I don't understand. Does the performance on Voices, The Silent Man, Space Dye Vest look like screaming to you?  :o

I'm sorry if I come out as a bit blunt, but I thought that there was a general consensus that Awake showcases the best studio performance by James.

Not to mention Innocence Faded, which is my personal favorite of all his performances.

And a top 10 DT song at that.
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« Reply #479 on: January 04, 2013, 06:40:33 AM »
For all you Awake fans. Bad ass right... right  :facepalm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD7OdyY1js4

:barf:

Oh thanks, I hadn't seen that before. Lie is a top 3 HEAVY DT song for me.

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« Reply #480 on: January 04, 2013, 06:50:00 AM »
Milena, gif from 4:16-4:17. Please now  :smiley:.
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« Reply #481 on: January 04, 2013, 09:09:57 AM »
Completely serious. But I guess people with the "EPIC LONG SONGS AND TIME SIGNATURES CHANGES" or "Metal" mentality are always against the relative simplicity, and the metal/not so metal approach of Awake.

Yeah, but at the same time, hating on long songs and time signature changes just for the sake of principle, or because the fans of those songs might be a little overzealous isn't right either.

Where did I say that I hate long songs? I even professed my love for ACOS in this same thread. I just don't like when songs are made long for the sake of being long like ANTR and TMOLS.
Come on man, saying that Lie is better than anything from those albums is quite the stretch.
BADASS =/= GOOD

Hey you said badass. But yes, Lie is definetly more badass than songs about, Vampires, Dark Masters, MUH FANS SAID THINGS, a car crash were everyone survived and a Count.

And Lie is at least better than all of the singles from those 3 albums.

They say a picture says 1000 words, so I'll go with that-



The Mirror is a healthy human being, and Lie is a chestburster that pops out of nowhere and completely kills it.
BUT BUT BUT.... THE REPRISE OF THE MIRROR AND THE ENDING ARE AMAZING.
RIGHT GUYS?
RIGHT? 
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« Reply #482 on: January 04, 2013, 09:46:56 AM »
I absolutely hate the demo and live version of Take Away My Pain but love the album version. 

The demo just sounds sort of generic.  The album version, despite MP's vocal hatred, sounds like an otherworldly and positive look at a painful situation.  It really captures the sorrow yet glimmer of hope of losing a loved one.  Since the lyrics have moments where they finally come to grips that the end is near and they will have to deal with it it remains a positive and melancholic song. 

MP says it is a cheesy ride through Disneyworld but I think it is a hopeful ride through a terribly tragic situation.

Agreed, for the most part.  I don't hate the demo or live versions, but I do agree that they are vastly inferior to the album version, especially the demo, which plods along in a painfully slow manner.  I was flabbergasted when I first heard that Portnoy hated the album version, but it quickly became apparent that he doesn't like any version on FII that didn't end up the way he wanted it.  How dare someone else know better?! :P

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« Reply #483 on: January 04, 2013, 11:14:21 AM »
They say a picture says 1000 words, so I'll go with that-



The Mirror is a healthy human being, and Lie is a chestburster that pops out of nowhere and completely kills it.

I get what you're going for, here, but chestbursters are fucking awesome, and so is Lie. 
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« Reply #484 on: January 04, 2013, 11:16:11 AM »
Where did I say that I hate long songs? I even professed my love for ACOS in this same thread. I just don't like when songs are made long for the sake of being long like ANTR and TMOLS.
Come on man, saying that Lie is better than anything from those albums is quite the stretch.
BADASS =/= GOOD

Hey you said badass. But yes, Lie is definetly more badass than songs about, Vampires, Dark Masters, MUH FANS SAID THINGS, a car crash were everyone survived and a Count.

And Lie is at least better than all of the singles from those 3 albums.


Well, since we're doing controversial opinions, I happen to disagree about that last statement.

Forsaken > Lie
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« Reply #485 on: January 04, 2013, 11:21:31 AM »
They say a picture says 1000 words, so I'll go with that-



The Mirror is a healthy human being, and Lie is a chestburster that pops out of nowhere and completely kills it.

I get what you're going for, here, but chestbursters are fucking awesome, and so is Lie. 

That is true. But it's a metaphor, so just think of the effect, rather than the badassery of a little alien dude popping out of a dude's torso and ripping him to shreds with blood spray.
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« Reply #486 on: January 04, 2013, 11:23:28 AM »
I'll try, Blob, I'll try.

And I'll probably watch Alien later.

Then possibly Spaceballs. 
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« Reply #487 on: January 04, 2013, 12:26:46 PM »

That is true. But it's a metaphor, so just think of the effect, rather than the badassery of a little alien dude popping out of a dude's torso and ripping him to shreds with blood spray.

Sorry, but the only metaphor I see in that picture is that The Mirror was something boring and ordinary, and Lie made it awesome.

Which isn't true, mind you. I think The Mirror is pretty awesome. But Lie does nothing to diminish it.
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« Reply #488 on: January 04, 2013, 12:41:43 PM »
The Mirror and Lie being back to back only makes both songs that much better.  Both are damn good songs already, but the musical link between them is great, and just adds to the overall awesomeness of Awake. :tup :tup

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« Reply #489 on: January 04, 2013, 01:15:01 PM »
^that's not a very controversial opinion, bro  :)