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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #385 on: December 30, 2012, 09:33:03 PM »
WDADU > SC & BCSL

Why? Because there is nothing on WDADU that makes me roll my eyes or cringe.

Really? The entire album makes me cringe, from the vocals, to the production, to the songwriting.

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« Reply #387 on: December 31, 2012, 01:42:03 AM »
WDADU > SC & BCSL

Why? Because there is nothing on WDADU that makes me roll my eyes or cringe.

I don't think WDADU is better than SC, but I do think it's better than Black Clouds. WDADU is a pretty good album honestly.

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« Reply #388 on: December 31, 2012, 01:45:46 AM »
Repentance is by far the best song on Systematic Chaos.

The Answer Lies Within is only worse than Octavarium, Sacrificed Sons, and The Root of All Evil, on Octavarium

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #389 on: December 31, 2012, 02:02:13 AM »
I never liked These Walls. I have been told I need to amend that, and that is what I will try to do this morning.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #390 on: December 31, 2012, 02:05:14 AM »
I think John Myung talks too fuckin much.
Yeah, he always does all the interviews and never lets anyone else say anything, he should learn to shut up sometimes!
WDADU > FII, 6DOIT, TOT, 8V, SC & BCSL
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« Reply #391 on: December 31, 2012, 03:21:26 AM »
WDADU > SC & BCSL

Why? Because there is nothing on WDADU that makes me roll my eyes or cringe.

Really? The entire album makes me cringe, from the vocals, to the production, to the songwriting.

I AM THE KILLING HAAAAAAAAAAANNDD

Yeah while:
"Apocalyptic mind debris
Until we meet again
Uhh!"

"Day after day and night after night..."

"Sucking on his pipe"

And many more, are not cringeworthy at all.

Honestly, i think WDADU is better sounding than the brickwalling and full of bass drum shitty sound of SC.
And, i like CD better on the WDADU songs than JLB.

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« Reply #392 on: December 31, 2012, 03:38:50 AM »

And, i like CD better on the WDADU songs than JLB.

Come at me bros.

I allow everything else you said beside this. Now, you can't be serioud!  :lol

I'm uploading a bootleg for you right now. It's a recollection of WDADU songs performed by James in his prime (1992-1994), and as such is a sort of a vocally (but of course not instrumentally) better version of WDADRU. It's called When Dream And James Unite. If you don't already have it.

Actually no, I will make a compilation myself. I have a wider choice than those who made the CD originally had.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #393 on: December 31, 2012, 03:46:30 AM »
WDADU > SC & BCSL

Why? Because there is nothing on WDADU that makes me roll my eyes or cringe.

Really? The entire album makes me cringe, from the vocals, to the production, to the songwriting.

I AM THE KILLING HAAAAAAAAAAANNDD

Yeah while:
"Apocalyptic mind debris
Until we meet again
Uhh!"

"Day after day and night after night..."

"Sucking on his pipe"

And many more, are not cringeworthy at all.

Honestly, i think WDADU is better sounding than the brickwalling and full of bass drum shitty sound of SC.
And, i like CD better on the WDADU songs than JLB.

Come at me bros.



I never said anything about SC or BCASL, but the complete awfulness of WDADU far exceeds any problems those two albums have, by miles. Charlie's vocals are laughable throughout the entire album, the production is worse than demo quality, and the songwriting is mostly abysmal.


WDADU > FII, 6DOIT, TOT, 8V, SC & BCSL
Fixed.

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #394 on: December 31, 2012, 03:50:44 AM »
And, i like CD better on the WDADU songs than JLB.
I think James sounds better on A Fortune in Lies, The Killing Hand and Afterlife, but I agree on the rest. I have listened to the versions on WDADRU and some bootlegs, but Charlie's voice simply suits those songs better IMO.
WDADU > FII, 6DOIT, TOT, 8V, SC & BCSL
Fixed.

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« Reply #395 on: December 31, 2012, 03:53:25 AM »
WDADU > FII, 6DOIT, TOT, 8V, SC & BCSL
Fixed.

:rollin Let's not get stupid here.
Opinions are opinions :biggrin:

:lol Hey, if anyone here is familiar with unconventional opinions it's me, but WDADU better than SDOIT? That's just insane, dude. Their worst album vs their best album (respectively). I wouldn't even put it in the ballpark of any of the rest either.
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« Reply #396 on: December 31, 2012, 03:55:16 AM »

And, i like CD better on the WDADU songs than JLB.

Come at me bros.

I allow everything else you said beside this. Now, you can't be serioud!  :lol

I'm uploading a bootleg for you right now. It's a recollection of WDADU songs performed by James in his prime (1992-1994), and as such is a sort of a vocally (but of course not instrumentally) better version of WDADRU. It's called When Dream And James Unite. If you don't already have it.

Actually no, I will make a compilation myself. I have a wider choice than those who made the CD originally had.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #397 on: December 31, 2012, 03:59:47 AM »
:lol Hey, if anyone here is familiar with unconventional opinions it's me, but WDADU better than SDOIT? That's just insane, dude. Their worst album vs their best album (respectively). I wouldn't even put it in the ballpark of any of the rest either.
Well, Six Degrees is about as great as WD&DU, but the title-"track" could've been slightly trimmed down. The only weak point of WD&DU is Light Fuse... and the album has a more listener-friendly length, so I get the urge to listen to it in full more often than with 6D. But both albums are great, and Six Degrees obviously has some of the best DT songs ever (Blind Faith, The Great Debate, The Glass Prison).

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« Reply #398 on: December 31, 2012, 04:01:15 AM »
WDADU is better than Octavarium, SC, and Black Clouds. It's not even a contest in the case of the first two.
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« Reply #399 on: December 31, 2012, 04:17:40 AM »
:lol Hey, if anyone here is familiar with unconventional opinions it's me, but WDADU better than SDOIT? That's just insane, dude. Their worst album vs their best album (respectively). I wouldn't even put it in the ballpark of any of the rest either.
Well, Six Degrees is about as great as WD&DU, but the title-"track" could've been slightly trimmed down. The only weak point of WD&DU is Light Fuse... and the album has a more listener-friendly length, so I get the urge to listen to it in full more often than with 6D. But both albums are great, and Six Degrees obviously has some of the best DT songs ever (Blind Faith, The Great Debate, The Glass Prison).

Light Fuse and Get Away, Status Seeker, TOWHTSTS and OAMOT are DT's absolute worst songs imo. Half of the album is terrible, and the other half is still only "ok" at best.
Meanwhile, SDOIT is almost perfect from start to finish, and I'd rank the title track and TGP tied as DT's #1 songs, with the rest being top 10 worthy (except for TGD, which I'd rank a little lower).

Sorry, I find it ridiculous to even mention the two albums in the same sentence, even in a controversial opinion thread. :lol
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« Reply #400 on: December 31, 2012, 04:50:42 AM »

And, i like CD better on the WDADU songs than JLB.

Come at me bros.

I allow everything else you said beside this. Now, you can't be serioud!  :lol

I'm uploading a bootleg for you right now. It's a recollection of WDADU songs performed by James in his prime (1992-1994), and as such is a sort of a vocally (but of course not instrumentally) better version of WDADRU. It's called When Dream And James Unite. If you don't already have it.

Actually no, I will make a compilation myself. I have a wider choice than those who made the CD originally had.

You're a great guy  :hefdaddy

I know some songs are better with JLB from a technical standpoint, but i think (with the exception of the Killing Hand which is better by James 92-93 era) but i think that Charlie is good on other songs. Especially Status Seeker, this might be his best DT performance imo.


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« Reply #401 on: December 31, 2012, 05:13:20 AM »
Thanks! And stick around, the mixtape will be available within one hour, and I can tell you that you are in for a lot of pleasant surprises!  :tup
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« Reply #402 on: December 31, 2012, 05:42:20 AM »
Thanks! And stick around, the mixtape will be available within one hour, and I can tell you that you are in for a lot of pleasant surprises!  :tup
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« Reply #403 on: December 31, 2012, 05:57:16 AM »
I can kind of understand not liking James more than Charlie on some of those WDADU songs. He's got that really staccato delivery that actually almost kind of works on some of the really wordy bits, or at least it works as well as those lines can work. Whereas James' more naturally resonant voice really shows how awkwardly constructed some of those lines are--diction's never really been among his strengths, after all. That's not really the way I personally look at things, but I can get how someone could get to that point. I actually do prefer WDADU's vocals to those on WDADRU in general, just because it was clearly an off night for James. Those 92-94 performances are the definitive performances of the songs for me, though. AFIL and TKH on LATM (and other performances of the era) just slay, and I forget which bootleg had James put an F# in Afterlife, but that was awesome too.
Yeah, I have no idea what the cakeless person in that analogy is meant to be eating. If he's got some sort of cake substitute, it should really have been worked into the narrative at some point. As it stands, the options are:

  • Hoard a cake just to stare blankly into its doughy edifice.
  • Make futile chewing motions with your mouth while starving to death.

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« Reply #404 on: December 31, 2012, 06:04:51 AM »
I can kind of understand not liking James more than Charlie on some of those WDADU songs. He's got that really staccato delivery that actually almost kind of works on some of the really wordy bits, or at least it works as well as those lines can work. Whereas James' more naturally resonant voice really shows how awkwardly constructed some of those lines are--diction's never really been among his strengths, after all. That's not really the way I personally look at things, but I can get how someone could get to that point. I actually do prefer WDADU's vocals to those on WDADRU in general, just because it was clearly an off night for James. Those 92-94 performances are the definitive performances of the songs for me, though. AFIL and TKH on LATM (and other performances of the era) just slay, and I forget which bootleg had James put an F# in Afterlife, but that was awesome too.

He sings the high F# at the end of the 1993-11-15 bootleg I have. Those IaW era performances of WDADU were really the best renditions by far.
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« Reply #405 on: December 31, 2012, 06:08:56 AM »
He hits two separate F#s in the Afterlife I included in the compilation!

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A Fortune In Lies - 1992.06.08 - NYC
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To Live Forever - 1993.06.05 - San Fran (the vamp is highly recommended)
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Light Fuse And Get Away - 1993.01.02 - Deer Park
Afterlife - 1993.11.07 - Stuttgart
The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun - 1994.10.29 - NYC
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« Reply #406 on: December 31, 2012, 06:13:27 AM »
He hits two separate F#s in the Afterlife I included in the compilation!

That level of dedication is admirable! The bootleg I have only has one F#. :(
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« Reply #407 on: December 31, 2012, 06:16:09 AM »
He hits two separate F#s in the Afterlife I included in the compilation!

Only A Matter Of James
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A Fortune In Lies - 1992.06.08 - NYC
Status Seeker - 1993.07.22 - NYC
To Live Forever - 1993.06.05 - San Fran (the vamp is highly recommended)
The Killing Hand - 1992.10.04 - Deer Park
Light Fuse And Get Away - 1993.01.02 - Deer Park
Afterlife - 1993.11.07 - Stuttgart
The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun - 1994.10.29 - NYC
Only A Matter Of Time - 1992.09.27 - NYC

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« Reply #408 on: December 31, 2012, 06:19:45 AM »
And what if I told you that the first, lesser known F# is an exact replica of the Learning To Live one?  :o
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« Reply #409 on: December 31, 2012, 06:43:03 AM »
He hits two separate F#s in the Afterlife I included in the compilation!

That level of dedication is admirable! The bootleg I have only has one F#. :(

When all else fails, hit the F#!
Yeah, I have no idea what the cakeless person in that analogy is meant to be eating. If he's got some sort of cake substitute, it should really have been worked into the narrative at some point. As it stands, the options are:

  • Hoard a cake just to stare blankly into its doughy edifice.
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« Reply #410 on: December 31, 2012, 06:50:07 AM »
Sorry, I find it ridiculous to even mention the two albums in the same sentence, even in a controversial opinion thread. :lol
I know the feeling, I would react the same way if someone said they prefer SC to Awake! :lol  I just happen to love WD&DU so much that I think it's just as great as Six Degrees, or even a bit better.

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« Reply #411 on: December 31, 2012, 06:50:16 AM »
He hits two separate F#s in the Afterlife I included in the compilation!

That level of dedication is admirable! The bootleg I have only has one F#. :(

When all else fails, hit the F#!

As it's the 1st Jan here, I pledge to make this my new year's resolution. I think this will make it an especially special year indeed.


Sorry, I find it ridiculous to even mention the two albums in the same sentence, even in a controversial opinion thread. :lol
I know the feeling, I would react the same way if someone said they prefer SC to Awake! :lol  I just happen to love WD&DU so much that I think it's just as great as Six Degrees, or even a bit better.

I actually do prefer SC to Awake, and I would very much expect that reaction. :lol
But I still think the comparison of WDADU to SDOIT is more crazy. I can at least understand why people like Awake even though I'm not a fan of it (and obviously I can see why people would like SC). I honestly can't understand how people even take WDADU seriously, let alone compare it to what I consider DT's peak. :dunno:
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« Reply #412 on: December 31, 2012, 07:10:30 AM »
He hits two separate F#s in the Afterlife I included in the compilation!

That level of dedication is admirable! The bootleg I have only has one F#. :(

When all else fails, hit the F#!

As it's the 1st Jan here, I pledge to make this my new year's resolution. I think this will make it an especially special year indeed.

As I'm spending my holidays in Cuba, I'm just making sure I don't rupture my vocal chords.  ;)

Seriously though, I love how James can just randomly pull those F#5s out. My favorite is the version of Another Day in Korea in '99, where he's having an absolutely abysmal night, totally cracking on everything above like a B4...and then he randomly busts out this huge F# at the end of the song. What a guy.
Yeah, I have no idea what the cakeless person in that analogy is meant to be eating. If he's got some sort of cake substitute, it should really have been worked into the narrative at some point. As it stands, the options are:

  • Hoard a cake just to stare blankly into its doughy edifice.
  • Make futile chewing motions with your mouth while starving to death.

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« Reply #413 on: December 31, 2012, 07:18:56 AM »
I feel like MM's kit is excessive. Dont know if he uses it all. Saw him twice in this ADTOE tour and it seemed he only played half of it. I could be wrong though. Also think that the octobans look a bit ridiculous on the top (imo).

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« Reply #414 on: December 31, 2012, 09:56:21 AM »
WDADU > SC & BCSL

Why? Because there is nothing on WDADU that makes me roll my eyes or cringe.

 :tup

It doesn't matter to me, whether the transitions on WDADU are less smoother than on later albums. It is an album from a band, which is full of enthusiasm and talent, but not really experience. What do you expect? It couldn't be Images and Words yet, but it is When Dream and Day Unite and it is a fun album to listen every then and now.

That being said, I like SC very much. Probably my 6th favourite studio album.

Repentance is by far the best song on Systematic Chaos.

After ITPOE (I consider it as a one song) and Prophets of War.





Talk about controversial? Ha!

I know some songs are better with JLB from a technical standpoint, but i think (with the exception of the Killing Hand which is better by James 92-93 era) but i think that Charlie is good on other songs. Especially Status Seeker, this might be his best DT performance imo.

YOU ARE... correct. I should look for live versions of WDADU songs from 90s. The Killing Hand from LATM would be a top 3 song, and I love James's vocals in AFIL, from the same album.

But when it comes to WDARU, I prefer Charlie (expect those two). James's voice just doesn't suit Light Fuse and Get Away as well as Charlie's.

And yes, I love the vocals in Status Seeker.
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« Reply #415 on: December 31, 2012, 10:39:41 AM »
I don't think it's a coincidence that the two WDADU songs where Charlie sounds solid are Status Seeker and Afterlife, which are the only two he had a hand in writing. If you listen to his solo stuff it's actually pretty decently executed vocally too. He's not a great singer by any stretch, but DT could've framed his voice a lot better than they did.
Yeah, I have no idea what the cakeless person in that analogy is meant to be eating. If he's got some sort of cake substitute, it should really have been worked into the narrative at some point. As it stands, the options are:

  • Hoard a cake just to stare blankly into its doughy edifice.
  • Make futile chewing motions with your mouth while starving to death.

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« Reply #416 on: December 31, 2012, 11:36:34 AM »
WDADU is better than Octavarium, SC, and Black Clouds. It's not even a contest in the case of the first two.

Agreed.

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« Reply #417 on: December 31, 2012, 12:26:25 PM »
I also think that Awake is one of their most overrated albums. I can't see why many put that album on their top 3 or even the number 1 spot.

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« Reply #418 on: December 31, 2012, 01:06:07 PM »
I prefer the Mullmuzzler vocals over Scenes'. Especially if he sung him now.
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« Reply #419 on: December 31, 2012, 05:07:27 PM »
Apparently controversial:  I enjoy all DT albums equally enough that I can't rank them.  I still listen to them all about equally (except Octavarium because it skips in my car cd player).  I don't skip any tracks, and I don't get bored while listening.