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Your Controversial Opinions on DT

Started by Lucidity, December 17, 2012, 07:28:25 PM

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TheGreatPretender

I think Systematic Chaos is one of the best albums DT has ever done, and definitely THE best since the year 2000.

Glass Moonlight

Quote from: PROGdrummer on December 20, 2012, 06:36:59 PM
Quote from: Glass Moonlight on December 20, 2012, 03:23:51 PM
Mike Portnoy is a bitch


Controversial opinion, what this thread is all about. I like Mike Portnoy as a drummer, but as a person he really makes me mad sometimes.

theseoafs

^You should stay away from comments like that, buddy. It's in violation of forum rules. You'd do well to edit your post.

Glass Moonlight

Quote from: theseoafs on December 20, 2012, 09:39:21 PM
^You should stay away from comments like that, buddy. It's in violation of forum rules. You'd do well to edit your post.
Are you serious? I completely respect this forum and if I am out of line here I'm sorry, but isn't that the whole point of this thread?

theseoafs

No, this thread is for controversial opinions. "Mike Portnoy is a bitch" isn't a controversial opinion, it's a personal attack.

Anyway, I'm not a mod or anything, so it's really none of my business, but I figured I'd let you know since that kind of language isn't tolerated by the higher-ups.

?

Quote from: theseoafs on December 20, 2012, 10:45:10 PM
No, this thread is for controversial opinions. "Mike Portnoy is a bitch" isn't a controversial opinion, it's a personal attack.
This. Besides, MP is a member here so he might see that.

Glass Moonlight

Quote from: ? on December 20, 2012, 11:20:19 PM
Quote from: theseoafs on December 20, 2012, 10:45:10 PM
No, this thread is for controversial opinions. "Mike Portnoy is a bitch" isn't a controversial opinion, it's a personal attack.
This. Besides, MP is a member here so he might see that.
After thinking about it, my attack to him wasn't at all just. I have no reason to judge him as a person. Not only that, but my attack at him wasn't justified in my original post. With that said, again, judging him as a person was very wrong.

BlobVanDam

Quote from: Polis on December 20, 2012, 08:48:17 PM
4. people who don't "get" awake have not listened to it enough or make preconceptions on the outdated sound (stupid snare, stringy keyboards, and terrible mixing overall)

No.

SeRoX

James' writing ability is better than both JP and MP. I wish he wrote more lyrics.

Don't know if it is controversial or not though.

wasteland

Quote from: SeRoX on December 21, 2012, 02:38:54 AM
James' writing ability is better than both JP and MP. I wish he wrote more lyrics.

Don't know if it is controversial or not though.

Well, debatable, surely. His style his unique, even though I am not sure I appreciate his best lyrics over JP's best. Disappear vs. Voices, which one would win?

SeRoX

I think Disappear is the best lyric of DT. But yes, you can't simply decide by having just a few lyrics of James. Overall JP has many amazing lyrics but JLB has just a few amazing lyrics because he's already written a few lyrics.  :biggrin:

KM, on the other hand, is the best lyricist, IMO.

XJDenton

Quote from: Glass Moonlight on December 20, 2012, 10:43:15 PM
Quote from: theseoafs on December 20, 2012, 09:39:21 PM
^You should stay away from comments like that, buddy. It's in violation of forum rules. You'd do well to edit your post.
Are you serious? I completely respect this forum and if I am out of line here I'm sorry, but isn't that the whole point of this thread?

All opinions need to be framed in the right way. Calling someone a bitch is not. Consider this a friendly reminder not to do so in the future.

hefdaddy42

And please modify your original post.
Quote from: BlobVanDam on December 11, 2014, 08:19:46 PMHef is right on all things. Except for when I disagree with him. In which case he's probably still right.

tnphelps

I have never liked The Glass Prison either. Worst song on the CD IMO. Awake is not my least favorite (that honor would go to SC),  but would rank in the bottom half.

Quote from: Lucidity on December 17, 2012, 07:28:25 PM
I thought this might be an interesting topic-- thinking of any thoughts you have on DT songs or albums that you think will spark mass debate and not sit well with the general crowd.

For me, I have never liked the Glass Prison much at all, and it probably doesn't rank in the top 40 for me. I think Octavarium (the song) is leagues above A Change of Seasons. I think Octavarium is a fantastic album (way better than Awake). I also love the Shattered Fortress, The Dark Eternal Night, This is the Life, and Far From Heaven. And probably the major one is that Awake is one of my least favorite DT albums. It has  a couple good songs, but most of it is bland and a drag to sit through. The songs on Awake are by far my least listened to DT songs, sans WDaDU.

Forgive me if a thread like this has already been created, but otherwise I think this should be pretty interesting. Haters gonna hate.

tnphelps

Quote from: Dublagent66 on December 19, 2012, 02:48:44 PM
Quote from: Mladen on December 18, 2012, 04:06:13 AM
The Ministry of lost souls is my 2nd favorite Dream Theater song.

That might be it.  :smiley:

It's not my 2nd favorite, but still a damn a good song that most people just don't seem to get.  The instrumental section doesn't fit or something like that.

I agree!

Lucidity

Quote from: ThatcrazyKISSfan on December 20, 2012, 08:15:09 PM
Awake kind of sucks, and I have a feeling I wouldn’t put “kind of” had they left off SDV.

Falling into Infinity is a great album…so is BC&SL(minus AROP and Wither), those 2 down-grade it to a good album.

Jordan Rudess is too technically proficient for his own good.  Take Beneath the Surface…why does he have to use all those effects?  Just play something simple on the piano….I’ve learned to live with what he does in that song, but uggh. 

Agree with all of this. I do love lots of Jordan's uber-technical parts, when they fit a song, but he could tone it down for songs that aren't deserving of weird effects and crazy soloing. Also, we need more classical piano in DT.

And here's something that could stir a lot of toruble-- don't get me wrong, DT is my favorite band ever and nothing has every gotten in the way of me loving DT songs, but I want it to be said that DT generally has bad lyrics. Not terrible, and not all of them of bad. They don't stop me from loving their songs, and nearly all of them are bearable (except maybe Count of Tuscany...), but if I ever listen to a song just for the lyrics, it doesn't leave much of an impression on me. I like DT for the music.

Madman Shepherd

I actually don't think Chris Collins is a horrible vocalist.  A large part of the problem was the crappy recording equipment they had with him.  He is no James LaBrie by far but when I listen to the Majesty demos I really don't mind his voice at all. 

TheGreatPretender

Quote from: Madman Shepherd on December 21, 2012, 09:52:08 AM
I actually don't think Chris Collins is a horrible vocalist.  A large part of the problem was the crappy recording equipment they had with him.  He is no James LaBrie by far but when I listen to the Majesty demos I really don't mind his voice at all.
I agree. I can't speak for right now, his recent stuff I've heard was kind of shit, but back on the Majesty demos, I actually liked his voice better than Dominici's, he definitely had more power.

philmcson

Quote from: TheGreatPretender on December 20, 2012, 09:31:08 PM
I think Systematic Chaos is one of the best albums DT has ever done, and definitely THE best since the year 2000.

Yup, imo it is a great album, but I personally would highlight BCSL from the 2007-2011 period, and from 2000-2007 I like all of their releases "equally"....

ColdFireYYZ

1. Octavarium is a top 5 DT album.
2. Space-Dye Vest is the best song on Awake.
3. Despite number 2, Rudess>Sherinian>Moore.
4. I wish DT used sound clips more often, like in The Great Debate. However, I'm not a big fan of the clips in Home.
5. Octavarium > A Change of Seasons.
6. I love The Big Medley.
7. Forsaken is a good song.
8. I love the "wanking" part of Fatal Tragedy.

toro

Got so over Octavarium it suxorz, I never ever get the need to listen to it anymore, the only part I still like is the moog solo. A Change Of Seaons shits all over it, simply because ACOS feels like a natural cohesive song, while 8VM just feels like they tried(like in their last albums with MP.)
to make an epic song with different ideas thrown in together.

Also TSCO makes me cringe now. The solo is still pretty cool.

Aside from those 2 I still love me some DT.


Yoshi Yogurt

Strange deja vu is the best song on SFAM

Panic Attack is a Top 10 song for me.

1neeto

Lots of trololol posts here so i'll contribute.

POW is the best song of SC.
Home in SFAM gives me a woody.
Cowbell action in CIAW is the best part of Awake.
Forsaken has the best lyrical content of any DT song. In fact, SC is a lyrical masterpiece.
I Walk Beside You should have been a radio top 40 hit.
There's nothing erotic about Erotomania.
A Rite Of Passage is the best song of BC&SL.

Sycsa

Quote from: Yoshi Yogurt on December 21, 2012, 05:39:35 PM
Strange deja vu is the best song on SFAM
:tup, especially when paired up with Overture.

Cable

May have already been said;

-MP's clean backing vocals were very good at times.
-LITS and TofTears are overrated.
-UAGM is the weakest song on I&W.
-Awake is hit or miss sometimes, with Voices being a chief culprit of this.
-Misunderstood's outro can be enjoyable
-8V is overrated as an epic, and ITPOE is more intense than 8V.
-Some of JP's solos are subpar, and ADTOE was a big contributor to solos that miss the mark.


wasteland

The last two posts are the definition of controversial. To be honest, I agree with 0% of them (no, actually the MP one fits my view) :lol

Rattlehead

Not sure if this is controversial but...

The chorus of I Walk Beside You seems like it would fit perfectly in a cheesy trailer for a chick flick.

Ruba

Quote from: TheGreatPretender on December 20, 2012, 09:31:08 PM
I think Systematic Chaos is one of the best albums DT has ever done, and definitely THE best since the year 2000.

Not one of the best, but I agree with the second part.

Quote from: CableX 1814 on December 22, 2012, 02:38:05 AM
-Misunderstood's outro can be enjoyable
-8V is overrated as an epic, and ITPOE is more intense than 8V.

:tup

toro

Quote from: 1neeto on December 21, 2012, 07:32:25 PM
Lots of trololol posts here so i'll contribute.
Quote from: 1neeto on December 21, 2012, 07:32:25 PM
Forsaken has the best lyrical content of any DT song. In fact, SC is a lyrical masterpiece.
DOES. NOT. COMPUTE.

Well, it is a Controversial Opinions thread afterall.

olliemedsy

Quote from: Rattlehead on December 18, 2012, 09:37:23 AM

- The Glass Prison is ridiculously overrated on this forum and it drags on way too long.

All my opinions of course  :lol

1neeto

Quote from: toro on December 22, 2012, 11:23:40 AM
Quote from: 1neeto on December 21, 2012, 07:32:25 PM
Lots of trololol posts here so i'll contribute.
Quote from: 1neeto on December 21, 2012, 07:32:25 PM
Forsaken has the best lyrical content of any DT song. In fact, SC is a lyrical masterpiece.
DOES. NOT. COMPUTE.

Well, it is a Controversial Opinions thread afterall.

What's not epic about vampires and dark masters?  :lol

Pols Voice

Quote from: 1neeto on December 21, 2012, 07:32:25 PM
Forsaken has the best lyrical content of any DT song. In fact, SC is a lyrical masterpiece.

What.

King Postwhore

Quote from: 1neeto on December 22, 2012, 01:14:57 PM
Quote from: toro on December 22, 2012, 11:23:40 AM
Quote from: 1neeto on December 21, 2012, 07:32:25 PM
Lots of trololol posts here so i'll contribute.
Quote from: 1neeto on December 21, 2012, 07:32:25 PM
Forsaken has the best lyrical content of any DT song. In fact, SC is a lyrical masterpiece.
DOES. NOT. COMPUTE.

Well, it is a Controversial Opinions thread afterall.

What's not epic about vampires and dark masters?  :lol

And your answer is       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti0H-bvMi3I
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DTFan0789

Dream Theater has never released anything bad. Ever.