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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #7875 on: May 10, 2017, 07:25:47 PM »
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Another Day on I&Ws is a stronger song then Pull Me Under.

Anything on that album is better than PMU as far as I am concerned.

In that album, the only song I like less is Learning to Live.


Fair enough I suppose but for me Learning to Live and Take the Time are the strongest on the Album
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #7876 on: May 10, 2017, 07:40:10 PM »
I think another day is one of the weakest tracks on I&W
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #7877 on: May 10, 2017, 08:03:08 PM »
Since when did I&W become controversial?  Everything on that album is gold! :)
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #7878 on: May 10, 2017, 08:08:07 PM »
Quote from: Another_Won on May 10, 2017, 08:03:08 PM
Since when did I&W become controversial?  Everything on that album is gold! :)

Yes indeed it is. I love it. IT never gets old. Even today! Just Another Day for me is stronger then Pull Me Under...
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #7879 on: May 10, 2017, 08:41:38 PM »
Quote from: jakepriest on May 10, 2017, 03:45:27 PM
Quote from: JaceTestify on May 10, 2017, 08:49:07 AM
Another Day on I&Ws is a stronger song then Pull Me Under.

Anything on that album is better than PMU as far as I am concerned.

Pretty much. Except for Wait for Sleep.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #7880 on: May 11, 2017, 05:07:09 AM »
Quote from: Another_Won on May 10, 2017, 08:03:08 PM
Since when did I&W become controversial?  Everything on that album is gold! :)

naw it's not, another day is a good song and I don't really care for surrounded.

Systematic Chaos > I&W
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #7881 on: May 11, 2017, 05:10:43 AM »
Quote from: ReaperKK on May 11, 2017, 05:07:09 AM
Quote from: Another_Won on May 10, 2017, 08:03:08 PM
Since when did I&W become controversial?  Everything on that album is gold! :)

naw it's not, another day is a good song and I don't really care for surrounded.

Systematic Chaos > I&W

Black Clouds > SFAM

Two can play at this game
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #7882 on: May 11, 2017, 05:14:59 AM »
On some days I agree with you.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #7883 on: May 11, 2017, 05:21:16 AM »
Is this one of them?
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #7884 on: May 11, 2017, 06:27:14 AM »
Surrounded is crap.

As is most of Awake.

I've tried but after song 3 it's a snooze fest.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #7885 on: May 11, 2017, 06:50:43 AM »
I don't think Awake is crap, I just don't think it's aged well. Compared to other DT albums it doesn't hold up as well
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #7886 on: May 11, 2017, 07:50:26 AM »
I think Awake is maybe the album that could benefit from a remaster.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #7887 on: May 11, 2017, 08:07:51 AM »
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« Reply #7888 on: May 11, 2017, 08:11:08 AM »
I actually like Awake's production and mixing. It feels pretty raw and dark, it serves the album pretty well.
It's the actual musical quality of about 50% of the album that makes me stay away from it for the most part.

I don't get why SDOIT's production is praised so much on the other hand. I'm really not a big fan of the drum sound, especially the kick drums, it works okay on songs like The Great Debate, but god that TGP breakdown sounds terrible drum-wise (especially those punch-ins, you can tell very easily that's not one take).
It's nice to hear Myung and Rudess clearly for once though.

TOT is my favourite production if you're going for heaviness and Octavarium / ADTOE are probably the best for the overall DT sound imho.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #7889 on: May 11, 2017, 09:02:32 AM »
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Surrounded is crap.

As is most of Awake.

I've tried but after song 3 it's a snooze fest.

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #7890 on: May 11, 2017, 09:11:09 AM »
Breaking the rules is certainly controversial :neverusethis:
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #7891 on: May 11, 2017, 10:13:34 AM »
Also here is another controversial Dream Theater opinion... Derek Sherinian was the best keyboardist DT ever had. Kevin Moore was the second best, and Jordan is third.... To me Derek had the most soul and ability out of all of them.

But Jordan is amazing in every way don't get me wrong
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #7892 on: May 11, 2017, 10:34:43 AM »
Quote from: jakepriest on May 11, 2017, 08:11:08 AM
I don't get why SDOIT's production is praised so much on the other hand. I'm really not a big fan of the drum sound, especially the kick drums, it works okay on songs like The Great Debate, but god that TGP breakdown sounds terrible drum-wise (especially those punch-ins, you can tell very easily that's not one take).
It's nice to hear Myung and Rudess clearly for once though.

The bolded is why I really like the sonics on SDOIT. The balance of the instruments just feels right.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #7893 on: May 11, 2017, 11:21:51 AM »
Quote from: rumborak on May 11, 2017, 07:50:26 AM
I think Awake is maybe the album that could benefit from a remaster.

Could not disagree more. I find Awake to be one of the best sounding DT albums, perfect balance of heaviness and atmosphere.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #7894 on: May 11, 2017, 11:47:59 AM »
Quote from: nikatapi on May 11, 2017, 11:21:51 AM
Quote from: rumborak on May 11, 2017, 07:50:26 AM
I think Awake is maybe the album that could benefit from a remaster.

Could not disagree more. I find Awake to be one of the best sounding DT albums, perfect balance of heaviness and atmosphere.

What he said. Wonderful sound and not outdated at all to me.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #7895 on: May 11, 2017, 11:53:01 AM »
Next album : songs of Train of thought with the production of Falling Into Infinity.


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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #7896 on: May 11, 2017, 12:27:57 PM »
Quote from: Kotowboy on May 11, 2017, 06:27:14 AM
Surrounded is crap.

As is most of Awake.

I've tried but after song 3 it's a snooze fest.

Lmao

 :rollin

Wait. Are you serious  :| :eek :huh:
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #7897 on: May 11, 2017, 12:36:20 PM »
Quote from: Kotowboy on May 11, 2017, 11:53:01 AM
Next album : songs of Train of thought with the production of Falling Into Infinity.


:drool:
Well, ANYTHING with the production of FII would sound awesome.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #7898 on: May 11, 2017, 12:58:38 PM »
A big part of FII's sound is the lack of JP's giant 'chocolate cake' tone that takes over most of the mix. I don't think he wants to give that up :P
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #7899 on: May 11, 2017, 01:10:34 PM »
Quote from: Kotowboy on May 11, 2017, 06:27:14 AM
Surrounded is crap.

As is most of Awake.

I've tried but after song 3 it's a snooze fest.

But you actually like TA?  That's Astonishing!!!  :neverusethis:
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« Reply #7900 on: May 11, 2017, 01:19:46 PM »
Awake is hard to take in at first, but over time you appreciate the sound of it. It's kinda like ADTOE in that regard. Innocence Faded is the very definition of a 'snooze-fest' though, but that doesn't have to be a bad thing
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #7901 on: May 11, 2017, 01:21:56 PM »
Awake has the best snare sound of any DT album.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #7902 on: May 11, 2017, 01:32:05 PM »
Quote from: Dublagent66 on May 11, 2017, 01:21:56 PM
Awake has the best snare sound of any DT album.

Agreed.
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« Reply #7903 on: May 11, 2017, 01:42:37 PM »
Quote from: Evai on May 11, 2017, 12:58:38 PM
A big part of FII's sound is the lack of JP's giant 'chocolate cake' tone that takes over most of the mix. I don't think he wants to give that up :P

The tone actualy works most of the time. TOT and BC&SL are prime examples.
The irony is that the album where he says he finally got it right (DT12) has probably my least favourite tone he has ever had on any album. Drowned in chorus and muddy as hell. The hell happened John?

Quote from: Dublagent66 on May 11, 2017, 01:21:56 PM
Awake has the best snare sound of any DT album.

No way. TOT does.
The worst is definitely BC&SL as far as Portnoy goes. Can't stand that low tuned bubinga snare.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #7904 on: May 11, 2017, 01:43:27 PM »
TOT snare sounds like it's 100% rimshots.
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« Reply #7905 on: May 11, 2017, 01:53:34 PM »
FII snare sounds like the cookie monster banging on a trash can.   :rollin
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« Reply #7906 on: May 11, 2017, 01:57:52 PM »
Quote from: Kotowboy on May 11, 2017, 01:43:27 PM
TOT snare sounds like it's 100% rimshots.

No, it's just tuned to a very high pitch. Just the way I like my snares.  :biggrin:
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« Reply #7907 on: May 11, 2017, 02:59:29 PM »
Quote from: Evai on May 11, 2017, 01:19:46 PM
Awake is hard to take in at first, but over time you appreciate the sound of it. It's kinda like ADTOE in that regard. Innocence Faded is the very definition of a 'snooze-fest' though, but that doesn't have to be a bad thing

Innocence Faded is one of the very very few DT songs that are so "meh" I always skip them. Other than that, Awake definitely grew on me over time
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« Reply #7908 on: May 11, 2017, 03:09:37 PM »
Quote from: V_R11 on May 11, 2017, 02:59:29 PM
Quote from: Evai on May 11, 2017, 01:19:46 PM
Awake is hard to take in at first, but over time you appreciate the sound of it. It's kinda like ADTOE in that regard. Innocence Faded is the very definition of a 'snooze-fest' though, but that doesn't have to be a bad thing

Innocence Faded is one of the very very few DT songs that are so "meh" I always skip them. Other than that, Awake definitely grew on me over time

The Score version does IF much more justice than the studio version.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #7909 on: May 11, 2017, 03:18:14 PM »
I wonder if they could bribe Steven Wilson to produce the album.
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