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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #7735 on: April 17, 2017, 09:58:26 AM »
Isn't James always serious when he sings Another Day?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s454AqHEu8I

My interpretation of this James thing is watching this video compared to the newer one, James seems to hit most of the notes that he doesn't in the latest one and he is frustrated with himself about it and I really don't have any issues with that at all. That's JMO, but I don't see him frustrated in the Holiday video, yes he's serious, of course, due to the lyric.

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« Reply #7736 on: April 17, 2017, 11:17:29 AM »
Controversial,  yes.

Bashed accordingly,  yes.

Sorry, I should have known better than picking an argument with the guardian of all the right opinions!

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« Reply #7737 on: April 17, 2017, 11:20:01 AM »
It sure feels like one.
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« Reply #7738 on: April 17, 2017, 11:21:55 AM »
No it doesn't.
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« Reply #7739 on: April 17, 2017, 11:24:31 AM »

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« Reply #7740 on: April 17, 2017, 11:30:55 AM »
Oh!  I'm in the wrong thread.  It's next door!
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« Reply #7741 on: April 17, 2017, 11:36:59 AM »
 :lol

I have a somewhat controversial opinion actually. I think PMU was intentionally ended abruptly.

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« Reply #7742 on: April 17, 2017, 04:04:38 PM »
Um...it was intentional.  Fact not opinion.  :biggrin:
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« Reply #7743 on: April 17, 2017, 05:33:50 PM »
Once I saw MM not look at JP in a spot where he usually does. Pretty sure it's because the day before JP cut in line at the breakfast table, snagging the last sausage links. A friend who knows the band told me, it's legit. I think the band is breaking up.
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« Reply #7744 on: April 17, 2017, 05:35:50 PM »
Lies!

It was bacon. 
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« Reply #7745 on: April 17, 2017, 05:38:48 PM »
Dude, I can't name names, but my source is rock solid. He lives down the street from JP's guitar tech, that is, where the tech used to live. I mean, the *street name* is the same, it's actually a different city.
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« Reply #7746 on: April 17, 2017, 05:44:45 PM »
It was a Lego My Eggo moment.
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« Reply #7747 on: April 17, 2017, 07:16:26 PM »
I don't think James sounds that good at all anymore live.

His studio work is still great though.

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« Reply #7748 on: April 17, 2017, 08:29:38 PM »
I gotta disagree Zook. I haven't seen him in a few years but when he is on, he is on. I'm not the biggest JLB fan but I'll the first to say when he nails it, it's really something else.

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« Reply #7749 on: April 18, 2017, 05:20:12 AM »
I don't think James sounds that good at all anymore live.

His studio work is still great though.

I agree completely <3 <3 The last DVD was hard to listen to. I feel like Portnoy destroyed JB's voice, always pushing him to sing more aggresively and 'metal' in the studio doing 20 takes for each line, causing him to sing in an unnatural way, and now he has bad habits and sounds terrible.
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« Reply #7750 on: April 18, 2017, 05:48:26 AM »
He's still consistent and good enough to enjoy the performances and appreciate his soft voice and the moments he actually hits those high notes. I know that "good enough" is not a standard for DT performances, but unless he's sick or has a really bad night, he's still enjoyable.
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« Reply #7751 on: April 18, 2017, 06:12:16 AM »
I don't think James sounds that good at all anymore live.

His studio work is still great though.

I agree completely <3 <3 The last DVD was hard to listen to. I feel like Portnoy destroyed JB's voice, always pushing him to sing more aggresively and 'metal' in the studio doing 20 takes for each line, causing him to sing in an unnatural way, and now he has bad habits and sounds terrible.

I know portnoy gets a lot of flak and a lot of times he deserves it but I don't think he destroyed jlb's voice

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« Reply #7752 on: April 18, 2017, 10:45:28 AM »
The last DVD was hard to listen to.

Uhmm what? I can't get enough Finally Free, Strange Dejavu yet. Overall, better than Luna Park to me.
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« Reply #7753 on: April 18, 2017, 10:46:15 AM »
The last DVD was hard to listen to.

Uhmm what? I can't get enough Finally Free, Strange Dejavu yet. Overall, better than Luna Park to me.

That's why it's controversial....and also ridiculous.

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« Reply #7754 on: April 18, 2017, 11:59:34 AM »
I mean yeah, slight hyperbole to get my point across.. Singing is subjective to the point that anybody can enjoy anything, which is a good thing :)
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« Reply #7755 on: April 18, 2017, 12:43:17 PM »
I mean yeah, slight hyperbole to get my point across.. Singing is subjective to the point that anybody can enjoy anything, which is a good thing :)

I should have added the  ;D  after I said it was ridiculous. I was just being facetious. Personally, I love Breaking the Fourth Wall. It's not 10 out of 10, but I did enjoy it better that Luna Park.

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« Reply #7756 on: April 18, 2017, 12:56:01 PM »
I mean yeah, slight hyperbole to get my point across.. Singing is subjective to the point that anybody can enjoy anything, which is a good thing :)

I should have added the  ;D  after I said it was ridiculous. I was just being facetious. Personally, I love Breaking the Fourth Wall. It's not 10 out of 10, but I did enjoy it better that Luna Park.

Yea, I also enjoy it more than Luna Park.

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« Reply #7757 on: April 18, 2017, 01:05:15 PM »
I mean yeah, slight hyperbole to get my point across.. Singing is subjective to the point that anybody can enjoy anything, which is a good thing :)

I should have added the  ;D  after I said it was ridiculous. I was just being facetious. Personally, I love Breaking the Fourth Wall. It's not 10 out of 10, but I did enjoy it better that Luna Park.

Yea, I also enjoy it more than Luna Park.

If I remember correctly, Luna Park had that blue smurf issue in the beginning of the video. And of course there is the glaring sound problem.

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« Reply #7758 on: April 18, 2017, 01:06:24 PM »
Yea, it was mostly the poor sound that makes it less enjoyable than BtFW.  Both have awesome setlists and great performances though. 

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« Reply #7759 on: April 18, 2017, 01:53:05 PM »
I agree. I guess we should be thankful it wasn't Chaos in Motion. The song selection was good, but not great. I loved that they played Blind Faith, Take the Time, TMoLS, etc. The ancillary footage was much more impressive.

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« Reply #7760 on: April 18, 2017, 02:56:04 PM »
I agree. I guess we should be thankful it wasn't Chaos in Motion. The song selection was good, but not great. I loved that they played Blind Faith, Take the Time, TMoLS, etc. The ancillary footage was much more impressive.

Yea the problem with CiM wasn't the setlists or performances either, but it was the audio AND video quality that was poor.  I also enjoyed a lot of that extra footage between songs too.  I'd love a high quality version of Blind Faith.

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« Reply #7761 on: May 05, 2017, 11:55:41 PM »
Breaking All Illusions is better than any song on BCSL and SC.

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« Reply #7762 on: May 06, 2017, 01:00:14 AM »
I'm not sure it's that controversial  :D
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« Reply #7763 on: May 06, 2017, 02:01:00 AM »
I find BAI overrated and largely dull. Out of BCASL and SC, I'd maybe rate it over TBOT and POW, and that's it (and even then, the TBOT outro solo is actually better than all of BAI).


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« Reply #7764 on: May 06, 2017, 02:22:17 AM »
Breaking All Illusions is better than any song on BCSL and SC.

Between those two albums, I only like The Count of Tuscany more, and I rate that song much higher than most people on here.

Actually, come to think of it, that would be one of my controversial opinions...

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« Reply #7765 on: May 06, 2017, 03:50:53 AM »
TCOT would have been great if the stanza and chorus is not so much below the quality of the other sections of the song.

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« Reply #7766 on: May 06, 2017, 03:54:42 AM »
I think the chorus is fine, but the verse sections I agree let down an otherwise incredible song. The opening instrumental in particular I think ranks up there with anything else they've done, as does that outro.
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« Reply #7767 on: May 06, 2017, 04:07:46 AM »
I think the chorus is fine, but the verse sections I agree let down an otherwise incredible song. The opening instrumental in particular I think ranks up there with anything else they've done, as does that outro.

In my opinion : The Count of Tuscany > > Illumination Theory.

I.T is just way too disjointed in the beginning and it pretty much copies the ambient section from the Count of Tuscany.

TCOT has that awesome verse riff and IT changes riffs every few bars, which is a bit annoying to me.

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« Reply #7768 on: May 06, 2017, 04:51:23 AM »
In my opinion : The Count of Tuscany > > Illumination Theory.

Mine too.
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« Reply #7769 on: May 06, 2017, 05:26:54 AM »
TCOT would have been great if the stanza and chorus is not so much below the quality of the other sections of the song.

Agreed. Minutes 4-9 (roughly) not being nearly as good as the intro or the last half of the song prevent me from ranking it too highly anymore. I still think the song does a great job of not feeling overly long; those 19 minutes really do fly by quickly.