Your Controversial Opinions on DT

[Sir GuitarCozmo]

For the most part, same here.  But it becomes relevant when people try to argue, "Dream Theater aren't 'progressive metal' because they haven't changed their sound!"

And when those people light up their "But, they aren't progressive!!" torch and start this same tired argument, you know what you tell them?

"No u."

Wow. Now that's prog!

FTFY

[bosk1]

Nah, I instead opt to blow people's minds by saying something like:  "Hey, did you know Ron Jeremy is in a Sam Kinison video?  True story."  They never see it coming.

[TAC]

Wow. Now that is a wild thing.

[Sir GuitarCozmo]

They never see it coming.

Something Ron Jeremy has probably been able to say many times.

[DragonAttack]

First, I was going to say that I guess 'The Wall' wasn't progressive due to the short songs......and then I saw the Ron Jeremy listing as well, but he doesn't have that tattoo, and then I simply spewed my coffee on the last comment

[bosk1]

But if you are trying to look like you have metal cred in a video full of some of the biggest rock stars, it's not hard to put on a fake tat.

[Wither]

You know, I think The Ministry of Lost Souls is the best song Dream Theater has ever written.

[chaossystem]

You know, I think The Ministry of Lost Souls is the best song Dream Theater has ever written.

Now you're just trying TOO hard to be controversial!

[Wither]

I wish. But that is the truth for me and I stand by it.

[chaossystem]

I was only half-serious.

But a lot of people like that song, so it's not really all that unusual to have that opinion or preference.

[MirrorMask]

I wouldn't call it the *best ever*, but I love that song (save the meandering solo section stuck in the middle) and I'm surprised it took so much criticism.

It's somber, melanchonic, solemn, it has an excellent buildup and a memorable chorus... and the following part is nothing but shivers of emotion:

I was the one who would not abandon you
Even in death I was the one who would not leave you

I used my freedom to protect you
And all the while direct you
Do you remember me this time?
Even in death I gave you life
I gave you life

When they played it live, it was gorgeous.

[Tomislav95]

It used to be my favorite DT song and I remember I couldn't understand why so many people here don't like it. Yes, instrumental part drags a bit but it's great nonetheless.

[SebastianPratesi]

You know, I think The Ministry of Lost Souls is the best song Dream Theater has ever written.

When reading your "Food For Thought" thread, I mistakenly assumed you preferred their heavier, angrier songs (like "The Dark Eternal Night" or "The Glass Prison"). Yet, this one is your favourite, and your name/picture/signature is "Wither". Guess I was wrong

Whatever happened to that thread? It was getting interesting.

[Train of Naught]

Really? I thought it was the most disgusting thread on this forum ever since I joined. I didn't read through all of it but what I've read was basically him/her cussing at authorities, pushing little children (with their fully automatics ) and talking about burning down the school, all for the sake of being an edgy teenager.

I know they were all fake/made up conversations, like he/she is well familiar with, but this one just wasn't appropriate.

[Prog Snob]

First, I was going to say that I guess 'The Wall' wasn't progressive due to the short songs......and then I saw the Ron Jeremy listing as well, but he doesn't have that tattoo, and then I simply spewed my coffee on the last comment

Prog doesn't always mean long songs. That's an amateur way to define prog. Sure, it's a quality some songs have but it's not ubiquitous. It also defines a lot of power metal songs, classical music, and jazz. Progressive rock is music that has no boundaries and creates its own identity so any definition is going to be shortsighted.

[SebastianPratesi]

Really? I thought it was the most disgusting thread on this forum ever since I joined. I didn't read through all of it but what I've read was basically him/her cussing at authorities, pushing little children (with their fully automatics ) and talking about burning down the school, all for the sake of being an edgy teenager.

I know they were all fake/made up conversations, like he/she is well familiar with, but this one just wasn't appropriate.

I see what you did there

And yeah, the thread started that way, but then Wither calmed down, and some of us got to talk about our experiences in Highschool / College (which to me was interesting, because College in other parts of the world is different to how it is here).

[Wither]

It used to be my favorite DT song and I remember I couldn't understand why so many people here don't like it. Yes, instrumental part drags a bit but it's great nonetheless.

It's simply an awesome transition. I especially love Petrucci's vocals on: "A burden to my soul," and "Drowning in my past."

Also, the second verse: "He will choose the only way, to rid her of her pain," when Petrucci's electric comes in and elongates.

You know, I think The Ministry of Lost Souls is the best song Dream Theater has ever written.

When reading your "Food For Thought" thread, I mistakenly assumed you preferred their heavier, angrier songs (like "The Dark Eternal Night" or "The Glass Prison"). Yet, this one is your favourite, and your name/picture/signature is "Wither". Guess I was wrong

Whatever happened to that thread? It was getting interesting.

Actually, heavy songs are alright, but I'd prefer songs like Ministry, Best of Times, and those heart wrenching songs, though I especially love In the Presence of Enemies!

[rumborak]

Having seen them again in Boston the other day, here's a maybe controversial opinion: I really hope they ditch the backing tracks for the next tour, or at least heavily curtail them. For me a DT concert is all about hearing what each musician is playing, but with TA, most of the time I couldn't tell what JR was actually playing and what was backing track.

[hefdaddy42]

I would also like for them to ditch backing/click tracks, and just play their music.  If they are a little faster or a little slower one night, that's OK.  If something spontaneous happens, that's great.

They've put on some outstanding presentations with that stuff, but I would like to see a slight reversion to the old school a little.

[cramx3]

Without seeing the new show to compare, I will say I agree with that.  I'm all about the "live" feel to a show so if that means less pumped in music, more spontaneity, different pacing then I am all for that.

[Grizz]

I agree, especially now that we've got confirmation that the light shows are still done the old way and are almost entirely independent from the tempo.

[rumborak]

Sorry to necro this thread up, but man, I just got a direct comparison of two renderings of 6:00

https://youtu.be/KB1bbsxYiVM?t=208  (5 years in a LIVEtime)

https://youtu.be/6FLuOL-Kn2U?t=216 (LALP)

Bass, where art thou these days? JM playing that line is so fantastic.

[Skeever]

Man, I remember thinking the vocals on 5YIALT were pretty bad, but what the heck is up with that Emperor Palpatine on Luna Park??? LOL

[Architeuthis]

Man, I remember thinking the vocals on 5YIALT were pretty bad, but what the heck is up with that Emperor Palpatine on Luna Park??? LOL

     Are you talking about the acoustic section with the strings?
Who are you referring to as Palpatine? 

[Skeever]

Man, I remember thinking the vocals on 5YIALT were pretty bad, but what the heck is up with that Emperor Palpatine on Luna Park??? LOL

     Are you talking about the acoustic section with the strings?
Who are you referring to as Palpatine? 

Did you listen to the clip rumborak linked to? Right around 3:36, he sings "coming outside" in such a guttural way. Sounds totally like Palpatine! 

[Adami]

Sorry to necro this thread up, but man, I just got a direct comparison of two renderings of 6:00

https://youtu.be/KB1bbsxYiVM?t=208  (5 years in a LIVEtime)

https://youtu.be/6FLuOL-Kn2U?t=216 (LALP)

Bass, where art thou these days? JM playing that line is so fantastic.

I didn't notice your ending comment, and when I click both links my first thought was how amazing JM's tone and volume was and how he's essentially nixed in the LALP one.

[ChuckSteak]

Sorry to necro this thread up, but man, I just got a direct comparison of two renderings of 6:00

https://youtu.be/KB1bbsxYiVM?t=208  (5 years in a LIVEtime)

https://youtu.be/6FLuOL-Kn2U?t=216 (LALP)

Bass, where art thou these days? JM playing that line is so fantastic.

I thought the same. Plus Labrie's vocals.

I didn't notice your ending comment, and when I click both links my first thought was how amazing JM's tone and volume was and how he's essentially nixed in the LALP one.

I also didn't read his comment and was amazed hearing bass in DT for a long time.

[Rodni Demental]

*edit* <wrong thread> My bad!

[ReaperKK]

Sorry to necro this thread up, but man, I just got a direct comparison of two renderings of 6:00

https://youtu.be/KB1bbsxYiVM?t=208  (5 years in a LIVEtime)

https://youtu.be/6FLuOL-Kn2U?t=216 (LALP)

Bass, where art thou these days? JM playing that line is so fantastic.

That bass line is so good, ashame that it's pretty much gone in LALP.

Also I've said this in the past but Ibanez Petrucci is best Petrucci.

[Pragmaticcircus]

I would also like for them to ditch backing/click tracks, and just play their music.  If they are a little faster or a little slower one night, that's OK.  If something spontaneous happens, that's great.

They've put on some outstanding presentations with that stuff, but I would like to see a slight reversion to the old school a little.

I completely agree 100%

[jsbru]

I used to dislike the first disc of 6DOIT.  I always thought TGP was fairly good, but the rest were just blah.

Just recently, Blind Faith and Disappear have really grown on me a ton.  Surprised I didn't like Disappear at first...it reminds me of Radiohead a lot, and I love them.  I'm still kind of iffy on TGD.

I don't know if that's as much a controversial opinion as it is repentance for some of my earlier posts on this thread.

[TAC]

I used to dislike the first disc of 6DOIT.  I always thought TGP was fairly good, but the rest were just blah.
 

I took to Disc 1 right away, even loving TGP. That said, TGP has not aged well for me. At all. And I've always considered Disc 2 a waste of time.

[jsbru]

Heh...now that is controversial!

My most controversial DT opinion is still that Metropolis Pt. 2 is in their bottom half of albums.

I still consider most of their bottom half of albums to be pretty good, but it is what it is.  I enjoy listening to it from time to time, but it's not one I regularly play.

[Ben_Jamin]

The Astonishing is the best album ever done by a recent band.

"People just don't have the time for music anymore, and no one seems to care"....is the perfect quote because it seems like that.

[ReaperKK]

I have and make plenty of time for music but not for TA.