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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #6300 on: June 20, 2015, 01:37:12 PM »
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Oh another controversial opinion:

I really enjoy New Millennium.

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I also enjoy New Muillenium
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« Reply #6301 on: June 20, 2015, 07:37:33 PM »
Enjoying New Millennium is not controversial.
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« Reply #6302 on: June 21, 2015, 12:34:47 AM »
Enjoying New Millennium is not controversial.

Isn't it? I don't hear a lot of discussion about it, but it usually appears to be negative to me. I love the song though, along with most of the album, so either way I'll back it up.
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« Reply #6303 on: June 21, 2015, 03:07:13 AM »
Enjoying New Millennium is not controversial.

Isn't it? I don't hear a lot of discussion about it, but it usually appears to be negative to me. I love the song though, along with most of the album, so either way I'll back it up.
I don't think it is, for most people, it's up there right behind Tot PS and LitS.
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« Reply #6304 on: June 21, 2015, 03:15:17 AM »
Enjoying New Millennium is not controversial.

Isn't it? I don't hear a lot of discussion about it, but it usually appears to be negative to me. I love the song though, along with most of the album, so either way I'll back it up.
I don't think it is, for most people, it's up there right behind Tot PS and LitS.

Not most people on DTF! I want to know where all of these fans are dangit! :lol They're my kind of people.
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« Reply #6305 on: June 21, 2015, 03:25:06 AM »
Go look for my Train of Thought/Systematic Chaos people while you're at it. :tup
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« Reply #6306 on: June 21, 2015, 05:02:55 AM »
Go look for my Train of Thought/Systematic Chaos people while you're at it. :tup

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« Reply #6307 on: June 21, 2015, 05:03:45 AM »
A lot of people who dislike New Millennium REALLY dislike it, so they draw a lot of attention to themselves.

But I think a majority of people actually like the song.
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« Reply #6308 on: June 21, 2015, 05:11:15 AM »
A lot of people who dislike New Millennium REALLY dislike it, so they draw a lot of attention to themselves.

But I think a majority of people actually like the song.

That probably is the case. Someone also recently said they saw a lot of hate for Hell's Kitchen, which I think was also a case of the dislikers being a lot more vocal than the likers, because I've always gotten the impression that the majority of people like that too.
Some songs are in that middle spot where they don't get discussed often except for by the smaller number of people who feel really strongly enough about it to comment.
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« Reply #6309 on: June 21, 2015, 06:22:22 AM »
I'm indifferent to New Millenium. I teeter to not liking it I guess. Still remember the first listen I had. Thought it failed miserably in trying to be a new Metropolis. It's a song that tries too hard and doesn't really go anywhere.
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« Reply #6310 on: June 21, 2015, 06:27:41 AM »
I've never gotten the impression it was trying to be anything like Metropolis at all, so I don't get the comparison.
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« Reply #6311 on: June 21, 2015, 06:49:25 AM »
I don't know. Bloated piece with extended instrumental section. I've always made that association and it was my first impression.
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« Reply #6312 on: June 21, 2015, 06:51:42 AM »
As far as DT goes, that's an incredibly vague description. :lol First time I've ever heard anyone mention them together.
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« Reply #6313 on: June 21, 2015, 07:11:22 AM »
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« Reply #6314 on: June 21, 2015, 07:51:00 AM »
The first time I heard NM it was one of those WTF moments up there with HITNF for Queensryche or VH 3 for Van Halen.  I couldn't stand it back then and still can't.   The rest of the album has (mostly) grown on me but at the time it felt like much of what I liked about DT had gone missing.
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« Reply #6315 on: June 21, 2015, 08:15:10 AM »
but at the time it felt like much of what I liked about DT had gone missing.
It was clear from that first listen.
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« Reply #6316 on: June 21, 2015, 04:10:26 PM »
New Millenium is awesome. Love the interaction between keyboards and guitar on that.
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« Reply #6317 on: June 21, 2015, 04:38:40 PM »
It's certainly not their best song, but it's fine, I don't mind it.
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« Reply #6318 on: June 21, 2015, 09:32:23 PM »
Enjoying New Millennium is not controversial.

Isn't it? I don't hear a lot of discussion about it, but it usually appears to be negative to me. I love the song though, along with most of the album, so either way I'll back it up.
I don't think it is, for most people, it's up there right behind Tot PS and LitS.

Not most people on DTF! I want to know where all of these fans are dangit! :lol They're my kind of people.

I'm a fan of NM, but that doesn't make me your kind of person.   :'(
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« Reply #6319 on: June 22, 2015, 02:16:59 PM »
but at the time it felt like much of what I liked about DT had gone missing.
It was clear from that first listen.

Yeah. It took until Track 7 to get something worthy of the previous 2 records.

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« Reply #6320 on: June 22, 2015, 02:48:36 PM »
Yeah. It took until Track 7 to get something worthy of the previous 2 records.

Hell's Kitchen, Peruvian Skies and Hollow Years are excellent tunes. Just my 2 cents.
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« Reply #6321 on: June 22, 2015, 02:50:55 PM »
Watch the new album be a double album consisting of rerecordings of ACoS-FII (including songs left off original album. ..)
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« Reply #6322 on: June 22, 2015, 02:52:57 PM »
Why would we ever want to see a rerecording of FII songs? The vocals would be worse and the production would be worse.
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« Reply #6323 on: June 22, 2015, 02:53:32 PM »
Why would we ever want to see a rerecording of FII songs? The vocals would be worse and the production would be worse.
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« Reply #6324 on: June 22, 2015, 02:56:23 PM »
Twas a joke. Since the last couple posts have been and FII.





I just don't understand what they were trying to achieve with any part of the song, either individually or as a whole. You know what? It's the Platypus of Dream Theater songs. That bill doesn't go with that tail, or that strange little furry body, or those webbed feet, and oh god why does it have venomous spurs!? And then you find out it lays eggs too. The difference is that the Platypus is somehow functional despite being a crazy mishmash or leftover animal pieces

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« Reply #6325 on: June 22, 2015, 02:57:00 PM »
Yeah. It took until Track 7 to get something worthy of the previous 2 records.

Hell's Kitchen, Peruvian Skies and Hollow Years are excellent tunes. Just my 2 cents.

In fact, aside from You Not Me (which is not terrible, but not very good either), I would say the whole album is excellent. It took a long time to grow on me, but I now consider it one of my Top 3 DT albums, along with Six Degrees and Awake.
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« Reply #6326 on: June 22, 2015, 05:20:50 PM »
but at the time it felt like much of what I liked about DT had gone missing.
It was clear from that first listen.

Yeah. It took until Track 7 to get something worthy of the previous 2 records.

And it didn't happen again until track 11.
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« Reply #6327 on: June 22, 2015, 07:34:03 PM »
I like the melodies in New Millenium, but I don't like the tone it takes on nor do I like that it's bloated beyond repair.
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« Reply #6328 on: June 22, 2015, 08:02:10 PM »
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« Reply #6329 on: June 22, 2015, 09:06:11 PM »
aside from anna lee and peruvian skies, FII is unlistenable.

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« Reply #6330 on: June 22, 2015, 09:25:04 PM »
Yeah. It took until Track 7 to get something worthy of the previous 2 records.

Hell's Kitchen, Peruvian Skies and Hollow Years are excellent tunes. Just my 2 cents.

In fact, aside from You Not Me (which is not terrible, but not very good either), I would say the whole album is excellent. It took a long time to grow on me, but I now consider it one of my Top 3 DT albums, along with Six Degrees and Awake.

Completely agree on the bolded part. I rank it a very close 4 just behind IaW, although recently I'd even consider it ranking it above that. Such a beautiful and underrated album, and there are many aspects which I don't believe DT ever topped it before or since.
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« Reply #6331 on: June 22, 2015, 10:21:45 PM »
FII was the album that got me into DT, and NM was a ENORMOUS part of that.

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« Reply #6332 on: June 22, 2015, 10:28:26 PM »
Train of Thought is absolutely unlistenable for me unless I am in a certain specific mood. When I am it's a pretty solid album.

Vacant is my favorite song on the album, by the way.

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« Reply #6333 on: June 23, 2015, 08:55:33 AM »
Yeah. It took until Track 7 to get something worthy of the previous 2 records.

Hell's Kitchen, Peruvian Skies and Hollow Years are excellent tunes. Just my 2 cents.

In fact, aside from You Not Me (which is not terrible, but not very good either), I would say the whole album is excellent. It took a long time to grow on me, but I now consider it one of my Top 3 DT albums, along with Six Degrees and Awake.

Completely agree on the bolded part. I rank it a very close 4 just behind IaW, although recently I'd even consider it ranking it above that. Such a beautiful and underrated album, and there are many aspects which I don't believe DT ever topped it before or since.

Yup, it is definitely in the top 5, and it has been rising steadily for me.

I think to me it's maybe that, because DT has been becoming more and more settled into their signature sound, FII stands out more and more as an album with "fresh wind". I also agree with whoever said that DT's ballads aren't what they used to be. Particularly Take Away My Pain is probably my favorite DT ballad, because it is beautifully understated and has a sweet melancholy to it they never recaptured after that.
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« Reply #6334 on: June 23, 2015, 10:28:38 AM »
Yeah. It took until Track 7 to get something worthy of the previous 2 records.

Hell's Kitchen, Peruvian Skies and Hollow Years are excellent tunes. Just my 2 cents.

In fact, aside from You Not Me (which is not terrible, but not very good either), I would say the whole album is excellent. It took a long time to grow on me, but I now consider it one of my Top 3 DT albums, along with Six Degrees and Awake.

I think the whole album is excellent as well. It's perhaps more different than anything but WDADU from the rest of the DT discography, but it really pulls off the sound it's going for most of the time.

And I like YNM.
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