Your Controversial Opinions on DT

[Sacul]

One of my friends doesn't really like anything pre-Train of Thought from DT. He loves SC though, that's his favourite DT album.

Not even TGP?

[ReaPsTA]

Raw dog > Enigma machine

Co-signed

[Evermind]

One of my friends doesn't really like anything pre-Train of Thought from DT. He loves SC though, that's his favourite DT album.

Not even TGP?

I meant in terms of albums. He still likes occassional songs here and there (The Mirror, for example).

I didn't ask him about TGP because I don't like TGP that much.

[Zook]

You monster.

[Tomislav95]

JP's best style was around FII. His playing on FII demos are one of the greatest things he ever made IMO.

[Nearmyth]

Going off that, JP's style around FII was definitely unique. The whole band, actually. I can't really pinpoint what it's like but it's different than IAW or Awake or really anything they've done. Something about the sound of FII and the demos was very "rock," mainstream-ish, almost 80's sounding with some Rush influence.

For some reason all the music from that time period makes me think of the ocean, the sea, some form of water. Maybe it's just the FII cover but it gives me that even when I'm not looking at the art For whatever reason the wah guitar and crisp clean guitar sounds found on that music, as well as Derek's keyboard sounds, give me that imagery

Didn't mean to turn that into a big ramble but I'd always thought about how the whole style of FII and the demos was very unique, and pretty damn good actually

[NotePad]

I want to see more "rapping" like on ToT.

I want to see more Tool influence.

[zecawolf]

I do not like tool. But their influence (at least it seems like it) over ToT was really cool. If the new release turns out to be ToT part 2 I will not be disappointed.

[comment]

I do not like tool. But their influence (at least it seems like it) over ToT was really cool. If the new release turns out to be ToT part 2 I will not be disappointed.

TOT2 sounds good to me; hold the rap. ...  I never heard Tool in TOT though.  I'll haft to give them both a listen.

[Train of Naught]

Well, this topic is pretty much what motivated me to make a ranking of all the studio DT tracks, and while I'm still working on it, I've encountered a LOT of my own controversial opinions: I enjoy quite a few Falling Into Infinity songs that are considered simple/radio-friendly, Burning My Soul for instance. On the other hand, Trial of Tears is one of my least favorite 10+ minute songs by Dream Theater. I absolutely love Images and Words, but the album followed by it known as Awake by the exact same line-up is a big step down for me. Now that we're talking about controversial album opinions: A Dramatic Turn of Events, definitely in my top 5 if not top 3, I love most of the songs on there, except for two or three. I am more of a metal guy, and don't get me wrong, I love some of the mellow Dream Theater songs, but The Spirit Carries On never grew on me to this day. Also, about the instrumental section, Erotomania and Hell's Kitchen are in my opinion worse than Enigma Machine. And finally, epics, while this is way shorter than the 20 minute epics, Breaking All Illusions probably beats Octavarium, Count of Tuscany, ITPOE and Illumination Theory in my opinion.

[jakepriest]

I love some of the mellow Dream Theater songs, but The Spirit Carries On never grew on me to this day

Thank you. I really don't get the love this song receives on this forum.

[zecawolf]

nothing beats count of tuscany. If it was a superhero it would beat the crap out of superman and hulk at the same time.

[hefdaddy42]

nothing beats count of tuscany. If it was a superhero it would beat the crap out of superman and hulk at the same time.

It doesn't do much for me.  There are certainly pieces of brilliance there, but there are other passages of music that leave me cold, and the lyrics are generally awful, IMHO.

[zecawolf]

I agree that the lyrics are not so brilliant.....but I don't care too much for lyrics.  But even not being that great, it does have a certain charm.

[zecawolf]

I like unpretentious lyrics, and ones that try to escape from every day "reality" themes. Political/social lyrics do not appeal to me...so I tend to like SC lyrics very much!

[rumborak]

I love some of the mellow Dream Theater songs, but The Spirit Carries On never grew on me to this day

Thank you. I really don't get the love this song receives on this forum.

The solo.

THE SOLO!!

[hefdaddy42]

Yeah, the solo is incredible, easily one of JP's best.

Also, the rest of the song has a real Floyd feel to it, and it's in a major key, and is a favorite during live performances. 

What's not to like?

[bosk1]

I get not liking it if it's not your thing.  But I don't get not getting why others would like it.  As Hef said, it has a lot going for it.

[hefdaddy42]

Trust bosk1 in all things.

[Train of Naught]

Yeah, "respect anyone's opinion as long as they respect yours" has always been my "TRAIN OF THOUGHT" (no pun intended) ha ha.

[rumborak]

Yeah, "respect anyone's opinion as long as they respect yours" has always been my "TRAIN OF THOUGHT" (no pun intended) ha ha.

As much as I love puns, that one doesn't work at all

[King Postwhore]

I get not liking it if it's not your thing.  But I don't get not getting why others would like it.  As Hef said, it has a lot going for it.

I could respond and set off a 10 page discussion.

[Train of Naught]

Forgot to mention some yesterday:

- Endless Sacrifice is easily a top 10 song
- (Has been mentioned many times, but) Pull Me Under gets too much attention from casual fans, and not enough attention from die-hard fans
- The Dark Eternal Night has some of the best riffs in the entire discography
- SDoIT (track) is overrated, The Test That Stumped Them All being the best part of it
- The Looking Glass is the worst DT12 song
- Under a Glass Moon is on the bottom half of I&W songs
- ITPoE pt. 2 is better than pt. 1, Heretic being the best chapter

[hefdaddy42]

- ITPoE pt. 2 is better than pt. 1, Heretic being the best chapter

I would guess that this is the most controversial of those opinions.

[Train of Naught]

- ITPoE pt. 2 is better than pt. 1, Heretic being the best chapter

I would guess that this is the most controversial of those opinions.

I'm in love with the "Angels fall, all for you... etc." part.

[hefdaddy42]

Yeah, I agree with you that it's the best part of Pt. 2.

I meant the "Pt. 2 is better than Pt. 1" thing.

[BlobVanDam]

I prefer part 1 overall, but I don't think it's too controversial. Part 2 still has a lot of equally (and more) amazing sections, despite the sections that drag it down.

[hefdaddy42]

I prefer part 1 overall, but I don't think it's too controversial. Part 2 still has a lot of equally (and more) amazing sections, despite the sections that drag it down.

Yeah, but pt. 1 is all killer, no filler.

When the album first came out, opinion was HEAVILY in favor of pt. 1, and I haven't seen a noticeable change over the years.

[BlobVanDam]

I prefer part 1 overall, but I don't think it's too controversial. Part 2 still has a lot of equally (and more) amazing sections, despite the sections that drag it down.

Yeah, but pt. 1 is all killer, no filler.

When the album first came out, opinion was HEAVILY in favor of pt. 1, and I haven't seen a noticeable change over the years.

Part 1 is definitely the more consistent, but it doesn't have the highs of part 2. And prog fans are fickle creatures who are easily offended by things that deviate from the middle ground, so their opinions matter not to me.

[zecawolf]

Both parts are awesome and are on my top 5, but I like part 2 better. And that is my favourite song by DT, tied with Count of Tuscany.

[hefdaddy42]

I prefer part 1 overall, but I don't think it's too controversial. Part 2 still has a lot of equally (and more) amazing sections, despite the sections that drag it down.

Yeah, but pt. 1 is all killer, no filler.

When the album first came out, opinion was HEAVILY in favor of pt. 1, and I haven't seen a noticeable change over the years.

Part 1 is definitely the more consistent, but it doesn't have the highs of part 2. And prog fans are fickle creatures who are easily offended by things that deviate from the middle ground, so their opinions matter not to me.

Much like non-prog fans and their opinions to me.

[BlobVanDam]

I prefer part 1 overall, but I don't think it's too controversial. Part 2 still has a lot of equally (and more) amazing sections, despite the sections that drag it down.

Yeah, but pt. 1 is all killer, no filler.

When the album first came out, opinion was HEAVILY in favor of pt. 1, and I haven't seen a noticeable change over the years.

Part 1 is definitely the more consistent, but it doesn't have the highs of part 2. And prog fans are fickle creatures who are easily offended by things that deviate from the middle ground, so their opinions matter not to me.

Much like non-prog fans and their opinions to me.

Non-prog fan isn't a term. The correct term for that is "everybody".

[King Postwhore]

Take your devil tongue out of this thread you.

[BlobVanDam]

Take your devil tongue out of this thread you.

It's the controversial opinion thread. Deal with it!

[King Postwhore]

Dammit!