Your Controversial Opinions on DT

[Rodni Demental]

While writing the "future review" in the time capsule thread, it struck me that DT is, IMO, following a very similar trajectory with ADTOE->DT12 as they were with 8V->SC->BCSL.

I'd be up for another BC&SL at this point. Not identically, but I always enjoyed the longer songs. They have more replay value. And I probably like BC&SL more than most so that'd be win. 

[King Postwhore]

All he is talking about "IS" the sound.

[GasparXR]

All he is talking about "IS" the sound.

That phrase is the complete tsunami of shit.

Funny story, when I first read that, it didn't make sense, so now my sarcastic response is meaningless.

[rumborak]

While writing the "future review" in the time capsule thread, it struck me that DT is, IMO, following a very similar trajectory with ADTOE->DT12 as they were with 8V->SC->BCSL.

 Are you then suggesting that a lineup change may occur after the next album?!?!? Hummm...I wonder who will leave...

I don't know, interesting hypothesis. I think you could rule out MM (only recently joined) and JP (he's the main guy), JLB would strike me as unlikely too. That leaves JM and JR, both of whom (for different reasons) I could imagine maybe not being too hot about the brutal touring schedule anymore.

[TheGreatPretender]

I don't know, interesting hypothesis. I think you could rule out MM (only recently joined) and JP (he's the main guy), JLB would strike me as unlikely too. That leaves JM and JR, both of whom (for different reasons) I could imagine maybe not being too hot about the brutal touring schedule anymore.

That reminds me. Who was it that we had on here, that very confidently predicted that JR will leave the band within the next 5 years?

[Skeever]

I didn't appreciate Octavarium much when it came out, but these days I think it'd be a welcomed change.

[XB0BX]

I don't know, interesting hypothesis. I think you could rule out MM (only recently joined) and JP (he's the main guy), JLB would strike me as unlikely too. That leaves JM and JR, both of whom (for different reasons) I could imagine maybe not being too hot about the brutal touring schedule anymore.

That reminds me. Who was it that we had on here, that very confidently predicted that JR will leave the band within the next 5 years?

That was me. JR isn't a fan of the music he makes and for someone as creative and inspired as him, that's a death knell. He'll be gone by 2016, sadly.   He just loves prog too much and doesn't like metal or DT's brand of music.

[King Postwhore]

Or he uses DT as a springboard to get his prog solo albums sold.  Win/Win for both.

[MoraWintersoul]

Why would he continue playing with DT for the entirety of their RR era if he doesn't like the metal DT? It's not like he hasn't had independent sources of income or opportunities to do whatever he likes in the past few years at least. He's become a household name pretty early in his career with DT so it's not like he *needs* them.

[King Postwhore]

How was his albums selling before he joined DT?  I think we all know the answer.

[bosk1]

Why would he continue playing with DT for the entirety of their RR era if he doesn't like the metal DT? It's not like he hasn't had independent sources of income or opportunities to do whatever he likes in the past few years at least. He's become a household name pretty early in his career with DT so it's not like he *needs* them.

Well, but somebody on the Internet said he is going to leave the band, so I'm not sure why you insist on disbelieving.  That seems pretty narrow-minded.

[King Postwhore]

You can believe everything you read on the internet. 

[Jaq]

I don't know, interesting hypothesis. I think you could rule out MM (only recently joined) and JP (he's the main guy), JLB would strike me as unlikely too. That leaves JM and JR, both of whom (for different reasons) I could imagine maybe not being too hot about the brutal touring schedule anymore.

That reminds me. Who was it that we had on here, that very confidently predicted that JR will leave the band within the next 5 years?

That was me. JR isn't a fan of the music he makes and for someone as creative and inspired as him, that's a death knell. He'll be gone by 2016, sadly.   He just loves prog too much and doesn't like metal or DT's brand of music.

He's been in a progresive metal band for fifteen years now. What leap in logic convinces you that he doesn't like playing metal, given that he joined DT in the first place? By that logic he would have left the band with ToT.

[bosk1]

I don't know, interesting hypothesis. I think you could rule out MM (only recently joined) and JP (he's the main guy), JLB would strike me as unlikely too. That leaves JM and JR, both of whom (for different reasons) I could imagine maybe not being too hot about the brutal touring schedule anymore.

That reminds me. Who was it that we had on here, that very confidently predicted that JR will leave the band within the next 5 years?

That was me. JR isn't a fan of the music he makes and for someone as creative and inspired as him, that's a death knell. He'll be gone by 2016, sadly.   He just loves prog too much and doesn't like metal or DT's brand of music.

He's been in a progresive metal band for fifteen years now. What leap in logic convinces you that he doesn't like playing metal, given that he joined DT in the first place? By that logic he would have left the band with ToT 8 times over already after SFAM, Six Degrees, TOT, Octavarium, SC, BCSL, ADTOE, and DT12.

Fixed.

[MoraWintersoul]

How was his albums selling before he joined DT?  I think we all know the answer.

Yeah, but his current sales would probably not see a dent in them after leaving DT. Plus, he's done far more than just prog solo albums these days and his piano stuff in particular has crossover appeal.

[King Postwhore]

That I agree but he was a big presence when MP left.  I just don't think he's going anywhere.  Plus DT is touring less freeing him to pursue his music.

[Skeever]

JR has been pretty honest in the past and in the Lifting Shadows book that metal isn't really his thing. He's obviously happy enough in DT though.

[mike099]

JR has been pretty honest in the past and in the Lifting Shadows book that metal isn't really his thing. He's obviously happy enough in DT though.

So that means JR is 'Along for the Ride'

[rumborak]

I think JR is smart enough to know that DT is the only professional prog band out there, and that without the exposure he gets through them, he couldn't do half of his side projects either.
DT might not be his 100% type of music (and I actually doubt he'd listen to them if he weren't in the band), but he knows he's quite lucky to be in the position he is and what it allows him to do.

[hefdaddy42]

JR isn't a fan of the music he makes and for someone as creative and inspired as him, that's a death knell. He'll be gone by 2016, sadly.   He just loves prog too much and doesn't like metal or DT's brand of music.

No.

To pretty much that entire post.

Oh sorry, this is the CONTROVERSIAL opinion thread.

[mikeyd23]

I think JR is smart enough to know that DT is the only professional prog band out there, and that without the exposure he gets through them, he couldn't do half of his side projects either.
DT might not be his 100% type of music (and I actually doubt he'd listen to them if he weren't in the band), but he knows he's quite lucky to be in the position he is and what it allows him to do.

Yeah pretty much this. DT allows JR the flexibility and has provided him with the stability to do a number of other great things, side projects, solo projects, music software development, etc... And besides, he clearly enjoys the music they make together even if it may not be his favorite style of music.

[Stadler]

While writing the "future review" in the time capsule thread, it struck me that DT is, IMO, following a very similar trajectory with ADTOE->DT12 as they were with 8V->SC->BCSL.

 Are you then suggesting that a lineup change may occur after the next album?!?!? Hummm...I wonder who will leave...

I don't know, interesting hypothesis. I think you could rule out MM (only recently joined) and JP (he's the main guy), JLB would strike me as unlikely too. That leaves JM and JR, both of whom (for different reasons) I could imagine maybe not being too hot about the brutal touring schedule anymore.

Why would you rule out MM?  What has he stuck with - besides the instrument itself - for any significant period of time?   There are rumblings that the touring is more than he expected (which doesn't imply "better than" he expected), so I don't see any reason to rule him out of anything at this point.

For XBOBX, I would also love to know how we know that JR doesn't like the music he is creating?   Is there an interview or source for this?  Or is this just more wild speculation?

[rumborak]

Why would you rule out MM?  What has he stuck with - besides the instrument itself - for any significant period of time?   There are rumblings that the touring is more than he expected (which doesn't imply "better than" he expected), so I don't see any reason to rule him out of anything at this point.

I hadn't heard those "rumblings", but in general, he was so *desperate* (and a friend who went to Berklee confirms it) to be with a touring band, he isn't gonna chuck it after 2 albums (or 3) and go back being a teacher.

[Sycsa]

Why would you rule out MM?  What has he stuck with - besides the instrument itself - for any significant period of time?   There are rumblings that the touring is more than he expected (which doesn't imply "better than" he expected), so I don't see any reason to rule him out of anything at this point

Seeing how overzealous he was after joining DT, I was really surprised to hear even a hint of dissatisfaction from his part, but it happened. Still, I don't see him ditching DT any time soon and the guys certainly wouldn't want to bring MP back.

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

I don't know, interesting hypothesis. I think you could rule out MM (only recently joined) and JP (he's the main guy), JLB would strike me as unlikely too. That leaves JM and JR, both of whom (for different reasons) I could imagine maybe not being too hot about the brutal touring schedule anymore.

That reminds me. Who was it that we had on here, that very confidently predicted that JR will leave the band within the next 5 years?

That was me. JR isn't a fan of the music he makes and for someone as creative and inspired as him, that's a death knell. He'll be gone by 2016, sadly.   He just loves prog too much and doesn't like metal or DT's brand of music.

lol

[TheGreatPretender]

For XBOBX, I would also love to know how we know that JR doesn't like the music he is creating?   Is there an interview or source for this?  Or is this just more wild speculation?

He can read minds of musicians, obviously. But only while they're playing.

[chaossystem]

I thought this was supposed to be an "OPINIONS" thread, not a "RUMORS AND GOSSIP" thread!!!

[TheGreatPretender]

I thought this was supposed to be an "OPINIONS" thread, not a "RUMORS AND GOSSIP" thread!!!

What are you saying? That we need one of those?

[lumpy33]

let rudess go if he wants to.  i for one would LOVE to see derek back with the band.  i loved his style of keyboard work for the short time he was with them. 

controversial enough?

[BlobVanDam]

Nobody in the band is going anywhere, people.

[TheGreatPretender]

Nobody in the band is going anywhere, people.

This but...

let rudess go if he wants to.  i for one would LOVE to see derek back with the band.  i loved his style of keyboard work for the short time he was with them. 

controversial enough?

...but if Rudess did quit, I really wouldn't hold my breath for Derek being back in the band. Frankly, Rudess really elevated the level of complexity and musicianship when he joined the band, and I'm hard pressed to think of a keyboard player who could play Rudess' parts. But even if they did find one, I highly doubt it would be Derek. And even if they agreed to settle for someone not as insanely fast as Rudess, it has been a really long time since Derek has been in the band, so not only is there any evidence that he'd even be interested in coming back, I don't even think the band would think of him right away. I mean, it wouldn't be natural like, "Oh, let's just ask Derek to come back." People change, relationships change. They might not have musical chemistry anymore. Or he might be in a different place creatively, or maybe they really would like someone as fast as Rudess. Either way, Derek coming back into the band would probably be only slightly more likely than Kevin Moore coming back into the band.

[Dublagent66]

let rudess go if he wants to.  i for one would LOVE to see derek back with the band.  i loved his style of keyboard work for the short time he was with them. 

controversial enough?

Well, not too controversial.  I liked DS a lot too but he was just a temporary hired gun and filled in nicely until the opportunity came again for JR.  DS didn't really mesh very well with the complex technicality of JP's playing.  Not to take anything away from DS.  He was and still is a great keyboard player, but I think JR is better for the overall sound of their arrangements.  I still dig listening to the short DS era of DT and I also have some of his solo work too.  Good stuff. 

[425]

I think Derek's style was great for the type of music they did on Falling Into Infinity. He seemed almost jazzy on that album and played a lot of organ which really played into the whole vibe. He also laid down one of the best keyboard solos in the band's entire discography on Trial of Tears. No, he wouldn't work out for them at all now, but I would say he was a little more than a hired gun on FII.

[rumborak]

Nobody in the band is going anywhere, people.

I believe that was the exact sentiment right before MP left. Just saying.

[Mosh]

I think Derek's style was great for the type of music they did on Falling Into Infinity. He seemed almost jazzy on that album and played a lot of organ which really played into the whole vibe. He also laid down one of the best keyboard solos in the band's entire discography on Trial of Tears. No, he wouldn't work out for them at all now, but I would say he was a little more than a hired gun on FII.

Derek is the highlight of FII. That album wouldn't have been nearly as good without him.