Your Controversial Opinions on DT

[chaossystem]

Let's go back to acting. In Freddy vs Jason, at the end, Monica Keena says she isn't leaving til she sees Freddy die. She looks mad, sounds mad, but her overacting kills all believability. Maybe that's similar to the MP argument. If not, screw you, I'm going to bed.

Are you REALLY expecting quality acting-or quality ANYTHING -in a movie like that?
I'm imagining that the director's (only) instructions to the actors to be something like "Live bad and die bloody!"
As for a movie in which the two killers fight, I'm likening it to a "Godzilla vs..." movie, in which we're REALLY not expected to care about the other characters because hey...it's a MONSTER fight!!!

[chaossystem]

You always have to pick apart everything I say-

No I don't.

Name a time when you didn't.

Or agreed with anything I said.

[Zook]

Let's go back to acting. In Freddy vs Jason, at the end, Monica Keena says she isn't leaving til she sees Freddy die. She looks mad, sounds mad, but her overacting kills all believability. Maybe that's similar to the MP argument. If not, screw you, I'm going to bed.

Are you REALLY expecting quality acting-or quality ANYTHING -in a movie like that?
I'm imagining the the director's (only) instructions to the actors to be something like "Live bad and die bloody!"
As for a movie in which the two killers fight, I'm likening it to a "Godzilla vs..." movie, in which we're REALLY not expected to care about the other characters because hey...it's a MONSTER fight!!!

For a movie stuck in develpoment hell for 10 years, yes, I was expecting so much more. Instead we got FrankenJason, Sir Grinsalot, a director who had no idea about the characters, CGI blood, I could go on. Wrong thread though. God I hate that movie.

[chaossystem]

I keep hearing rumors about a sequel, but I guess that one has already been stuck in development hell for MORE that ten years.

I don't know...I think the whole thing is really getting bizarre, what with all of the sequals and remakes, and sequels to remakes...
it's getting harder and harder to tell which is which.

Speaking of which: there are/were supposed to be remakes of "Hellraiser" and "Highlander" BOTH of which I would be looking forward to, but...

[TheGreatPretender]

While I would agree That there are times when Mike P.'s singing boarders on parody, there other times when I think he has sounded as good as or better than the other singers named here.
I never cared for Nirvana in general, or Curt Cobain in specific. Same pretty much goes for Springsteen.
Roger Waters is pretty much hit and miss with me. He sounded pretty good on "S.o.Y.C.D." and MOST of "Animals," but I wish David Gilmour had done more (lead) vocals on that album. I liked his vocal parts on "The Wall," But he kind of crapped out on "The Final Cut," In more ways than one. Gilmour should have had a LOT more input on THAT album! On the other hand, Waters not being there for the LAST two albums made them sound-for me at least-somehow incomplete.
I don't think I agree about Mike P. not being able to do lead vocals for a band. There always were, are and will be MUCH worse singers than him. He should try it and see what happens. But I would agree that most of his strengths are in other areas.
As for Dave Mustaine, while I agree that he doesn't have the greatest voice in the world, I like a lot of what Megadeth has put out, and I can't imagine anyone BUT him singing HIS songs.

The thing is, the only singers I've heard that are worse, at least had something unique and interesting about their voices. I find that MP's singing voice in itself is fairly generic. I guess if a band really didn't care about their vocals and just wanted them to kind ot be 'there', he'd be okay. But I probably wouldn't listen to that band.

[chaossystem]

Here's some more controversy for you: I think that anyone who buys the "Studio Albums" boxed set-unless they don't already have all or most of those discs-is wasting their money!

Now..I WILL admit that I'm NOT much of a collector, If I buy something like that, it would pretty much be for the ENTERTAINMENT value only, not as an investment that I expected to make money off of later.

But I would have done it differently. I would have compiled an odds and ends collection of things that either don't exist any where else and/or things we can only get from YtseJam. Such as:

-ALL of the unreleased tracks from FII

-At least SOME of the Majesty demos

-Audio (CD) versions of the "Covers" series such as "Dark Side" (Pink Floyd) "Beast" (Iron Maiden) "Puppets" (Metallica) and the "Uncovered 2003-2005" disc.

-BOTH of the studio versions of "To Live Forever" (Charlie version/James version)

Now, I realize That it might be too expensive and inconvenient to cram all of what I-and everybody else-would want into ONE big package, so maybe it could be spread out over two or three  "boxes" Also might want to include some Visual materiel, such as the "Rite of Passage" video, and The "Once in a LiveTime" concert, and/or some other, unreleased live footage.

Of course I know I'm going to hear at least a hundred different reasons why this couldn't be done, but I can dream, can't I?

Other than that, I just want to say that I think it's too SOON to be putting out the box set the way they did. They should have waited a few years like Led Zeppelin, or The Police with that "Message in a Box" thing.

[TheGreatPretender]

Here's some more controversy for you: I think that anyone who buys the "Studio Albums" boxed set-unless they don't already have all or most of those discs-is wasting their money!

While I completely agree with your reasoning and your whole argument, it really depends on the reason why they buy the box set, doesn't it? I mean, I was considering buying it simply because my DT CDs are starting to show a little bit of wear and tear on them and I'd like to have a mint condition DT discography. I already have 2 copies of ADTOE and SC just so that I have some that are in immaculate condition, and have been considering picking up another copy of SFAM for the same reason. And maybe another copy of Awake, since I've seen it for $5. Point is, I might just buy the new box set to make sure I always have mint condition DT albums. But not anytime soon, because money's tight and there's PLENTY of other DT stuff I'd rather buy first.

[King Postwhore]

Unless they are lesser quality CD's from the 80's, (thank you record companies) I would never buy a box set unless 2 things.

1.  I never owned them on CD before.

2.  Bonus material.

[chaossystem]

Right!...

...I guess I forgot to ad "Or if all your old copies are worn out."

I guess it IS a good idea to make sure you have them in good condition, either before they become unavailable or the prices skyrocket.

[chaossystem]

Glad you brought that up "king"

I probably wouldn't buy a "best of" or box set unless there were a few decent unreleased tracks either. Such as I learned the hard way with that "Greatest Hit" thing. I only bought it because of "To Live Forever," but some of the edits on there are just plain awful!
Especially on "Home" You can pretty much HEAR the TAPE being CUT! Probably with a dull, rusty BUTTER knife!

But Black Sabbath's "The Dio Years" had a couple of decent new songs on it.

[TheGreatPretender]

I thought DT's Greatest Hit CD had enough unique stuff on it to be well worth owning.
Particularly I'm grateful to have I Walk Beside You without the clock tick at the beginning of it, The Answer Lies Within without the forest sounds at the beginning, and of course, Sacrificed Sons without the terrorist jibber jabber at the beginning.

All the other stuff on there that's different is also cool, just listening to the SDOIT in slightly different edits is a welcome change, as well as the remixes of I&W songs.

Frankly, as far as Compilation albums go, I'd say DT did it right.

[King Postwhore]

That's not (never) enough for me.  Not worth blowing all that money on those little nuances.

[chaossystem]

All the other stuff on there that's different is also cool, just listening to the SDOIT in slightly different edits is a welcome change, as well as the remixes of I&W songs.

Another thing that was a big disappointment: I really DIDN'T notice ANY differences in the "Remixed" songs.

[Rodni Demental]

I thought DT's Greatest Hit CD had enough unique stuff on it to be well worth owning.
Particularly I'm grateful to have I Walk Beside You without the clock tick at the beginning of it, The Answer Lies Within without the forest sounds at the beginning, and of course, Sacrificed Sons without the terrorist jibber jabber at the beginning.

All the other stuff on there that's different is also cool, just listening to the SDOIT in slightly different edits is a welcome change, as well as the remixes of I&W songs.

Frankly, as far as Compilation albums go, I'd say DT did it right.

I think it's interesting enough to see the different versions of the songs. Most of the edits I can deal with, except about two... Solitary Shell cuts out the solo and instrumental section, probably because it didn't work as well without the context of the rest of the suite or something, but way to ruin a song by cutting out some of the best bits. Same goes for Lie, it doesn't go into The Mirror reprise and therefore never gets around to the second guitar solo (the better one imo).

I can actually deal with the shorter version of Home, that song feels a bit bloated sometimes anyway but I do miss the intro riff playing out a bit longer. And Through Her Eyes with sax is fairly interesting.

Another thing that was a big disappointment: I really DIDN'T notice ANY differences in the "Remixed" songs.

Haha, it took me a long time to notice the changes in these "remixes" but that's because there aren't many. It's all in dynamics of the mix. Certain things stand out a bit more (some of the keyboard leads, most of the guitar tracks), certain things blend with the background a bit more than before (bass), a bit of compression to make the tracks 'louder'. Different trigger samples used on MPs snare and kick drum. I think that's all they did unless there's any features I've missed that someone else has noticed.

[TheGreatPretender]

I think it's interesting enough to see the different versions of the songs. Most of the edits I can deal with, except about two... Solitary Shell cuts out the solo and instrumental section, probably because it didn't work as well without the context of the rest of the suite or something, but way to ruin a song by cutting out some of the best bits. Same goes for Lie, it doesn't go into The Mirror reprise and therefore never gets around to the second guitar solo (the better one imo).

Well, I agree with the Solitary Shell, that instrumental section was damn awesome, but it leads right into the next section, and sometimes it's nice to listen to a version of Solitary Shell that doesn't just cut off at the end.

As for Lie, I'll have to disagree. Personally, I never thought that ending Mirror reprise section added anything, and when listening to Lie on its own, I go with the Single version all the way.

[abydos]

I think the Mirror reprise before the solo is amazing, i almost never listen to the songs separately and it just fits so well with how the solo starts. Without it, I feel the flow is ruined.

[Cable]

All the other stuff on there that's different is also cool, just listening to the SDOIT in slightly different edits is a welcome change, as well as the remixes of I&W songs.

Another thing that was a big disappointment: I really DIDN'T notice ANY differences in the "Remixed" songs.

The triggered snare is no more, and the tracks are louder. That on the surface is not a big difference, and if going in thinking so would be a disappointment. There are very subtle things I guess.

The bigger disappointment for me is JM not playing the now noticeable bass harmonics in PMU live yet! 

[TheGreatPretender]

The triggered snare is no more, and the tracks are louder. That on the surface is not a big difference, and if going in thinking so would be a disappointment. There are very subtle things I guess.

The bigger disappointment for me is JM not playing the now noticeable bass harmonics in PMU live yet! 

Yeah, when I originally saw that they were "2007" versions, I assumed the band re-recorded the whole songs in-studio from scratch. And the drum sound helped cement that theory, but then once I listened to the guitars, and particularly the vocals, I was like, "Wait, that's the same as I&W." I was disappointed at first, but now, I think it still sounds different enough to give a fresh experience every once in a while.

[hefdaddy42]

Yeah, I'm not a fan of the remixes of the I&W songs on that collection, but I like pretty much everything else.  Even the Home edit.  I mean, I prefer the original, but that edit is a pretty tasty morsel, IMHO.

The problem with the collection is that there is no representation of the epic side of their music.  I would have preferred if something like that was included rather than those unnecessary I&W remixes, or I Walk Beside You.

[Stadler]

Who did the remixes?

[hefdaddy42]

Who did the remixes?

I don't have it right in front of me, but I'm thinking it was Kevin Shirley.

[rumborak]

I can't listen to the remixes mostly because of the snare. It feels flat, out of place. And that weird effect they put on James' voice, which makes it sound as if he's singing flat.

[Dublagent66]

Who did the remixes?

I don't have it right in front of me, but I'm thinking it was Kevin Shirley.

That's correct.

[Rodni Demental]

I can't listen to the remixes mostly because of the snare. It feels flat, out of place. And that weird effect they put on James' voice, which makes it sound as if he's singing flat.

There's an effect on James' voice that's different to I&W mix? I've never noticed this, sounds curious.

[TheGreatPretender]

There's an effect on James' voice that's different to I&W mix? I've never noticed this, sounds curious.

I couldn't hear it. In fact, that was the one striking thing about them, how "samey" James' voice is... Which makes sense, since it's a part of the same recording.

[BlobVanDam]

JLB's voice sounds grittier to me on the remix in sections, like there's less reverb on his voice, and some bits sound more double tracked. It has more clarity than the original studio version. Completely different vocal production that brings out different elements of his voice.
I do much prefer the original versions though.

[hefdaddy42]

I can't listen to the remixes mostly because of the snare. It feels flat, out of place. And that weird effect they put on James' voice, which makes it sound as if he's singing flat.

I agree 100% about the snare.  That's the main reason I rarely listen to those versions.

[King Postwhore]

I think of myself as a big DT fan but not once did it ever cross my mind to by the Greatest Hit.

[wasteland]

I actually bought the Greatest Hits about five years ago. It's not that I regret doing so, but I don't cheerish this possession of mine particularly. 

It would have been interesting to see MP's picks for the Epic Side, though.

[TAC]

I think of myself as a big DT fan but not one did it ever cross my mind to by the Greatest Hit.

[King Postwhore]

I think of myself as a big DT fan but not once did it ever cross my mind to by the Greatest Hit.

FTFY since I can't spell.

[Zook]

BUY

I bought it because collections.

[King Postwhore]

I just can't pull the trigger Zook.  I have it all and still reading others post the tweets aren't worth much.

[Zook]

I just can't pull the trigger Zook.  I have it all and still reading others post the tweets aren't worth much.

So you can't spell BUY correctly or you can't buy Greatest Hit?

[King Postwhore]

 

That too.