Your Controversial Opinions on DT

[abydos]

I have the feeling this might be a bit unpopular but after recently revisiting SDOIT, I've come to the conclusion that JP's solo in Misunderstood is one of his best ever.

[Tom Bombadil]

I have the feeling this might be a bit unpopular but after recently revisiting SDOIT, I've come to the conclusion that JP's solo in Misunderstood is one of his best ever.

I don't know about best ever, but it's very good and extremely under-appreciated.

[BlobVanDam]

I personally wouldn't find it controversial to name just about any of his solos as one of his best ever. JP's consistency of solos is pretty damn impressive.

[abydos]

I guess so, but I really haven't been struck by any of his solos since ToT. And that includes the ending of Octavarium, I know people go crazy over it but to me it's pretty meh. Guess that's the more controversial statement out of the two
Maybe I haven't just paid enough attention to his solos since I haven't been much of a fan of the songs in general and haven't listened to them very much.

[King Postwhore]

That is!  I love him mixing the passion in his solos with the shredding like Octavarium.

[ThatOneGuy2112]

That is!  I love him mixing the passion in his solos with the shredding like Octavarium.

Ditto. I feel that those are among his best solos imo. LTL, The Razor's Edge, a lot of the solos in IT (that's right, I said it), and as well as on SFAM are so damn memorable.

[Scorpion]

Some solos where Petrucci doesn't shred are among his best, I agree, like Lines in the Sand. But he has a few of pretty great shred solos, like In the Name of God or The Enemy Inside (though I'm not sure if that qualifies as shred), and some of his slower solos aren't, at least to me, not emotion-filled, but just plainly... well, boring is exaggerated, but certainly not very good or interesting - Razor's Edge being the prime example.

[Randaran]

WDADU is a great album, and comes close to matching much of DT's later material. I remember liking it when I last listened to it, but not this much. Charlie is not as great a vocalist as James, but he still holds his own. The guitars, particularly one of the solos in Ytse Jam, remind me of Yngwie in a good way. I do not yet know where I would rank it among their albums, but it has certainly surpassed BC&SL.

[Zook]

The only thing I don't care for in an otherwise great song is the little solo section in Lifting Shadows Off A Dream. I love the rest of the song immensly, but that little part is boring and uninteresting. So there's at least one JP solo I don't like.

I guess it's not even really that much a solo but still.

[Randaran]

I do not care for the lead guitar part from ~5:45-6:23 of Sacrificed Sons. Off the top of my head, I cannot think of any other examples. I DO like the lead in LSOAD; it acts as a great transition into the "He pours his soul..." bit, which is my favorite part of the song.

[Tomislav95]

LSOAD is top 5 song

[King Postwhore]

I do not care for the lead guitar part from ~5:45-6:23 of Sacrificed Sons. Off the top of my head, I cannot think of any other examples. I DO like the lead in LSOAD; it acts as a great transition into the "He pours his soul..." bit, which is my favorite part of the song.

Do you have any idea why the solo is like that?  I believe is has something to do with the lyrical content.   I think the solo is a story within the story.  John is telling the story through his solo.

[Randaran]

Do you have any idea why the solo is like that?  I believe is has something to do with the lyrical content.   I think the solo is a story within the story.  John is telling the story through his solo.

Are you talking about SS or LSOAD? If the former, yes, it's dissonant nature fits the heavy subject matter, but I do not care for the execution. Its low position in the mix certianly does not help.

[King Postwhore]

SS and that I understand.

[wasteland]

I never cared for SS. I think I have not listened to it in three or four years. Maybe it's time to break the silence.

[Randaran]

Now that I am more familiar with the debut, I would like to post my album rankings

Awake
SDoIT
ToT
SFaM
I&W
WD&DU
SC
DT12
Octavarium
FII
ADToE
BC&SL

If YNM was removed from FII to make room for the LaB version of Hollow Years, then the ablum would be ranked between WDaDU and SC. WD&DU also shot up the ranks really quickly. I listened to it 3 or 4 times today; prior to this, I had not given the album a spin in months. I really like it now. It sounds completely different from their later stuff while providing hints of what was to come.

I never cared for SS. I think I have not listened to it in three or four years. Maybe it's time to break the silence.

You should; despite a few weak points, SS is great. The instrumental break in particular kicks ass.

[Mosh]

Do you have any idea why the solo is like that?  I believe is has something to do with the lyrical content.   I think the solo is a story within the story.  John is telling the story through his solo.

Are you talking about SS or LSOAD? If the former, yes, it's dissonant nature fits the heavy subject matter, but I do not care for the execution. Its low position in the mix certianly does not help.

This. I like the idea a lot, but I think it was poorly executed.

[XB0BX]

JLB's greatest performance of all time is from the bonus tracks of Live Scenes.

[TheGreatPretender]

JLB's greatest performance of all time is from the bonus tracks of Live Scenes.

I thought this thread was supposed to be for actual opinions, not hypothetical ones. I don't believe you actually think that.

[King Postwhore]

Do you have any idea why the solo is like that?  I believe is has something to do with the lyrical content.   I think the solo is a story within the story.  John is telling the story through his solo.

Are you talking about SS or LSOAD? If the former, yes, it's dissonant nature fits the heavy subject matter, but I do not care for the execution. Its low position in the mix certianly does not help.

This. I like the idea a lot, but I think it was poorly executed.

I think you are both nuts.  It's jarring for a reason.

[Randaran]

I think you are both nuts.  It's jarring for a reason.

I do like similar parts in BTL and Misunderstood. Those are the first two that come to mind, but I am sure that there are others.

[King Postwhore]

Well for me, I like contrast in solos.  Not the same style all the time and the solos that work with the context of the song.

Alex Lifeson is my favorite guitarist and he has wide broad stroke with his solos.  Killing it with the hard paced "Freewill" to the emotional "Ghost Of A Chance" to the iconic, storyline of "Limelight".  None the same styles.

[TAC]

Well for me, I like contrast in solos.  Not the same style all the time and the solos that work with the context of the song.

Alex Lifeson is my favorite guitarist and he has wide broad stroke with his solos.  Killing it with the hard paced "Freewill" to the emotional "Ghost Of A Chance" to the iconic, storyline of "Limelight".  None the same styles.

The smoky solo on Ghost Of A Chance is 

[King Postwhore]

Can you believe Tim that solo is from his demo in his studio and they couldn't reproduce it when recording the album so they used the demo solo?!  Unreal.

[TAC]

Can you believe Tim that solo is from his demo in his studio and they couldn't reproduce it when recording the album so they used the demo solo?!  Unreal.

Now that you mentioned it, I think I may have read that. Such a great song. One of my least favorite Rush albums though.

[King Postwhore]

Which brought the results on Counterparts which I love.

So, while others have a problem with the execution of that part of the solo, I do not.  When have you heard JP think out of the box like that?  Misunderstood is another great styling for a solo from him.  You have to keep it fresh as a guitarist, think outside the box.  It don't mean every solo but variety is the spice f life.

[TAC]

Which brought the results on Counterparts which I love.

So do I.

Any chance Ghost was left over from Presto? It sounds and feels like a Presto type tune.

I love Presto BTW.

[King Postwhore]

No, same producer from Presto.

[?]

JLB's greatest performance of all time is from the bonus tracks of Live Scenes.

I thought this thread was supposed to be for actual opinions, not hypothetical ones. I don't believe you actually think that.

I wouldn't take anything XBOBX says too seriously... I have a feeling he's just trolling most of the time.

He lost the little credibility he had after this post:

I don't like Rush. Too much musical wankery, not enough soul. I don't care if they can play a million notes a minute if they can't write a decent song. And using a 20 minute song with a million time signature changes can't replace emotion.

[Mosh]

I think you are both nuts.  It's jarring for a reason.

I understand that. I like that it's jarring. My problem is less the solo and more the buildup to the solo. In my opinion, it should've been that little bass thing for 2 bars going straight into the guitar solo. JP's solo illustrates surprise and confusion brilliantly, but it loses effect coming after a noodly and pointless JR solo and a riff that has overstayed its welcome by the time JP kicks in.

If it would've gone straight into JP's solo, it would've been much more surprising and would've made more sense. The way they did it just makes the song seem bloated.

[chaossystem]

I don't know who came up with the name "Twelve Step Suite," but I think it's kind of dumb, and I think it should be called what I had PREDICTED it would be called: "Stepping Into Sobriety!"

[hefdaddy42]

I don't know who came up with the name "Twelve Step Suite," but I think it's kind of dumb, and I think it should be called what I had PREDICTED it should be called: "Stepping Into Sobriety!"

How is it dumb?  It is a suite of songs identified with the Twelve Steps, so it makes perfect sense.  In fact, some fans were referring to it as the AA suite, and MP said he preferred the term Twelve Steps Suite.  So, the guy who wrote the lyrics is who came up with it. 

But yeah, let's go with your idea instead of his.

[chaossystem]

You always have to pick apart everything I say-

I didn't sat it IS dumb, I said I think it's dumb.

It would make more sense if it was TWELVE songs, one for EACH of the twelve steps, instead of FIVE.

I thought this was a thread where we're allowed to express our CONTROVERSIAL opinions, not opinions that agree with EVERYONE ELSE'S!

So if anyone else wants to say that MY idea is dumb, GO FOR IT!

I really don't give a shit.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

People are allowed to disagree with you. No need to get bent out of shape about it.

And even though the 12SS is only 5 songs, it does have a segment for each of the twelve steps.

[King Postwhore]

I think you are both nuts.  It's jarring for a reason.

I understand that. I like that it's jarring. My problem is less the solo and more the buildup to the solo. In my opinion, it should've been that little bass thing for 2 bars going straight into the guitar solo. JP's solo illustrates surprise and confusion brilliantly, but it loses effect coming after a noodly and pointless JR solo and a riff that has overstayed its welcome by the time JP kicks in.

If it would've gone straight into JP's solo, it would've been much more surprising and would've made more sense. The way they did it just makes the song seem bloated.

I get you. I always though that part of the solo was meant to be the confusion for those in direct contact with the bombing.  there was so much panic and confusion I took the part of the solo as that.

You always have to pick apart everything I say-

I didn't sat it IS dumb, I said think it's dumb.

Well, I think saying that something you think is dumb is calling it dumb.  I was never bothered myself calling it the 12 steps after learning why it was called that and the significance.