Your Controversial Opinions on DT

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Perpetual Change

Those are hilarious, not because the vocals are awful, but because of all the lame attempts to hype the crowd up. An instrumental seciton of a DT song is *not* the type to be running around screaming "let me see your hands!" and "give me a hell yeah!"  :lol

Grizz

"I was told there's a new love that's born
for each one... THAT HAS DIED!"
:rollin

Reminds me of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE7hGMMIyfE

TheGreatPretender

Quote from: Perpetual Change on February 04, 2014, 01:37:16 PM
Those are hilarious, not because the vocals are awful, but because of all the lame attempts to hype the crowd up. An instrumental seciton of a DT song is *not* the type to be running around screaming "let me see your hands!" and "give me a hell yeah!"  :lol

"So where did I go wrong, guys?"
"Well, Steve, the point of a DT song is here... And you're way the hell over there."

Invisible

Quote from: TheGreatPretender on January 31, 2014, 09:44:29 PM
Quote from: Lucien on January 31, 2014, 09:34:49 PM
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on January 31, 2014, 09:07:44 PM
JLB is so awesome, he's like 5 people.

This is worth a sig.  :lol

You humble me, sir.


Quote from: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 31, 2014, 09:36:36 PM
Oh no. James is going to fire all the other band members, and create DT anew IN HIS OWN IMAGE



:omg:


Petrucci+LaBrie kinda looks like Viggo Mortensen(Aragorn version)  :lol

NotePad

DT have been repeating themselves since Octavarium. ToT is the most recent album of theirs that actually impressed me; since then, their music for the most part sounds very uninspired. DT need to take more time off between albums.

The only DT albums that James Labrie actually sounds awesome are Awake and ToT. Since ToT, his voice has sounded boring because his style of singing is just bland.

GasparXR

Quote from: NotePad on February 08, 2014, 01:35:34 AM
DT have been repeating themselves since Octavarium. ToT is the most recent album of theirs that actually impressed me; since then, their music for the most part sounds very uninspired. DT need to take more time off between albums.

The only DT albums that James Labrie actually sounds awesome are Awake and ToT. Since ToT, his voice has sounded boring because his style of singing is just bland.

I disagree with some of your points. I think DT sounds inspired on pretty much everything, even if SC & BCSL are my two least favourite albums. As for JLB, I think after SDOIT and beginning with ToT, his voice suddenly sounds a lot thinner, but then continues to sound fuller and fuller for each album after that. I think DT12 is probably his best vocal work since SFAM & SDOIT, at least in DT album land.

NotePad

I'v always thought Labrie sounds the best on Awake and ToT. He's more aggressive on these and even gets raspy at times, which he sounds awesome when done.

I actually think BC&SL is much better then the more recent two records. But it's still IMO very uninspired feeling. It's not much better then the last two, but it has Best of Times, sooo.....;)

I just think DT is not doing anything new, at all. They have not surprised me with anything new in a looooooong time. The new stuff is very bland. They should approach writing an album in the way Tool does. Anything to sound exciting again!

Shadow Ninja 2.0

I think TOT is James' weakest performance, I don't feel like the songs suited his voice at all for the most part.

But I agree that Awake is his best performance.

Outcrier

Quote from: NotePad on February 08, 2014, 01:00:40 PM
I just think DT is not doing anything new, at all. They have not surprised me with anything new in a looooooong time. The new stuff is very bland.

I agree with you but that happens with most bands that have a career this long anyway.

NotePad

I also want to add: I loved the "Rapping" on ToT. That's exactly what I want the band to do: take chances, try news things.

nikatapi

Quote from: NotePad on February 09, 2014, 12:21:29 AM
I also want to add: I loved the "Rapping" on ToT. That's exactly what I want the band to do: take chances, try news things.

I liked it too. James was very aggressive on most of the songs, and i enjoyed his performances.

Here's another controversial opinion: JP doesn't seem to have an idea of what's a good sounding record. ADTOE and DT both attribute to the truth of this statement.

Try listening to Caught In A Web for example, and then switch to Behind The Veil(after the intro). Massive difference in clarity, power, instrument definition. A 20 year old record sounds so much better than their most recent one.

BlobVanDam

Quote from: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on February 08, 2014, 01:08:37 PM
I think TOT is James' weakest performance, I don't feel like the songs suited his voice at all for the most part.

I think the songs suited his voice well, I just think it was one of his weakest periods vocally before starting to improve from then on.

jakepriest

Quote from: nikatapi on February 09, 2014, 03:48:48 AM

Here's another controversial opinion: JP doesn't seem to have an idea of what's a good sounding record. ADTOE and DT both attribute to the truth of this statement.


I don't see how that is controversial. I don't think there is a single person on this forum who liked the sound of both of those albums.

?

Quote from: nikatapi on February 09, 2014, 03:48:48 AM
Here's another controversial opinion: JP doesn't seem to have an idea of what's a good sounding record. ADTOE and DT both attribute to the truth of this statement.
Agreed. The production didn't bother me much on ADTOE (except the drum sound and mix), but DT12 is very lacking in that department. Unfortunately I can't see DT making a truly great-sounding album again, unless they hire an outside (co-)producer. Having an outside ear could also bring a fresh approach to the music itself.

Tis BOOLsheet


jakepriest

I find the lack of penis in DT's lyrics very unsatisfying.

Tis BOOLsheet

Quote from: jakepriest on February 09, 2014, 08:55:30 AM
I find the lack of penis in DT's lyrics very unsatisfying.

The Bigger Penis........

Viking of the Sagas

Maybe they're just waiting to come out of the closet? I mean come on, who doesn't see it coming... after that purple octopus octavarium and all...

jakepriest

Through Her Eyes would get a whole new meaning.

KevShmev



jakepriest

Who is that pretty asian lady next to Petrucci and LaBrie?

ozzy554

I'm not sure if this counts as controversial, but I think the Live at Luna Park version of The Dark Eternal night is a lot better than the original. Mainly due to my dislike of MP's vocals.

JayOctavarium

Quote from: ozzy554 on February 09, 2014, 10:01:48 AM
I'm not sure if this counts as controversial, but I think the Live at Luna Park version of The Dark Eternal night is a lot better than the original. Mainly due to my dislike of MP's vocals.
I'd be close for me but the thing that kills it for me is JP's tone. Too much chorus(?)

jakepriest

Quote from: ozzy554 on February 09, 2014, 10:01:48 AM
I'm not sure if this counts as controversial, but I think the Live at Luna Park version of The Dark Eternal night is a lot better than the original. Mainly due to my dislike of MP's vocals.

Hell no. James singing TDEN by himself makes the song incredibly shitty.

son_ov_hades

Quote from: jakepriest on February 09, 2014, 10:43:39 AM
Quote from: ozzy554 on February 09, 2014, 10:01:48 AM
I'm not sure if this counts as controversial, but I think the Live at Luna Park version of The Dark Eternal night is a lot better than the original. Mainly due to my dislike of MP's vocals.

Hell no. James singing TDEN by himself makes the song incredibly shitty.

The song makes itself incredibly shitty.

?

Quote from: ozzy554 on February 09, 2014, 10:01:48 AM
I'm not sure if this counts as controversial, but I think the Live at Luna Park version of The Dark Eternal night is a lot better than the original. Mainly due to my dislike of MP's vocals.
I agree that the LALP version is better, but I still skip it every time I watch the DVD :lol
Quote from: Tis BOOLsheet on February 09, 2014, 08:52:37 AM
DT needs more sexual lyrics.
Quote from: Metropolaris on February 16, 2012, 09:04:29 PM
Metropenis Pt.2: Scenes from a Pornography

Seduction
Overture 69
Strange Fetish
Through My Moans
Anal Tragedy
Beyond This Bed
Through Her Thighs
Her Husband Ain't Home
The Foreplay of Eternity
One More Time
The STD Carries On
Finally Free(Of the S&M Dungeon)

jakepriest

Quote from: son_ov_hades on February 09, 2014, 10:55:49 AM
Quote from: jakepriest on February 09, 2014, 10:43:39 AM
Quote from: ozzy554 on February 09, 2014, 10:01:48 AM
I'm not sure if this counts as controversial, but I think the Live at Luna Park version of The Dark Eternal night is a lot better than the original. Mainly due to my dislike of MP's vocals.

Hell no. James singing TDEN by himself makes the song incredibly shitty.

The song makes itself incredibly shitty.

:censored

Outcrier

Quote from: son_ov_hades on February 09, 2014, 10:55:49 AM
Quote from: jakepriest on February 09, 2014, 10:43:39 AM
Quote from: ozzy554 on February 09, 2014, 10:01:48 AM
I'm not sure if this counts as controversial, but I think the Live at Luna Park version of The Dark Eternal night is a lot better than the original. Mainly due to my dislike of MP's vocals.

Hell no. James singing TDEN by himself makes the song incredibly shitty.

The song makes itself incredibly shitty.

:biggrin:

425

Quote from: nikatapi on February 09, 2014, 03:48:48 AM
Here's another controversial opinion: JP doesn't seem to have an idea of what's a good sounding record. ADTOE and DT both attribute to the truth of this statement.

Try listening to Caught In A Web for example, and then switch to Behind The Veil(after the intro). Massive difference in clarity, power, instrument definition. A 20 year old record sounds so much better than their most recent one.

I agree. This is further shown by the contrast between ADTOE/DT12 and the albums produced by JP along with MP. SFAM and 8VM are right up there with Awake and FII as their best produced albums, IMO. ADTOE isn't awful but it's not great either and DT12 is just not that good (yes, I have the HDTracks). Meanwhile even SC, which is brickwalled, sounds rather good on the HDTracks and therefore seems to be mixed very well.

I think what LALP and DT12 show us is that JP has a (probably unconscious) mixing bias. The guitar on both those releases is higher than it really needs to be, and in the case of DT12, there are times when I can hardly hear Jordan. I don't like the outside producer idea because I don't think the band would be comfortable with it at this point, but I think if Jordan became co-producer (like how John and Mike used to be co-producers), we might get some more even mixes and possibly an overall higher quality sound. I also think that they should get a engineer known for making great-sounding prog metal albums and allow this engineer to speak freely on his views of sound quality, in the case that the guys really can't hear the difference between something that's annoyingly compressed and something that sounds nice, which is entirely plausible.


Quote from: Tis BOOLsheet on February 09, 2014, 08:52:37 AM
DT needs more sexual lyrics.

One Light Fuse and Get Away is enough for me, thanks. And besides, the only time you could even say they've gotten overtly sexual (because LFAGA is buried under so much innuendo that it's hard to tell, and Voices is just a brief mention in a couple of lines) is Anna Lee, and that was a rather different type of sexual lyrics.

Lucien

Then there's Learning to Live, though that's up to interpretation  ::)

rumborak


Lucien

Quote from: rumborak on February 09, 2014, 07:29:55 PM
I thought LtL is about AIDS.

It is.

"When temptation brings me to my knees, and I lay here drained of strength, show me kindness/beauty/truth"

BlobVanDam

Quote from: jakepriest on February 09, 2014, 10:43:39 AM
Quote from: ozzy554 on February 09, 2014, 10:01:48 AM
I'm not sure if this counts as controversial, but I think the Live at Luna Park version of The Dark Eternal night is a lot better than the original. Mainly due to my dislike of MP's vocals.

Hell no. James singing TDEN by himself makes the song incredibly shitty.

I wouldn't go that far, but it most definitely loses its edge. That was one of those situations where MP's harsher vocals blended really well with JLB's. And some of the drum beats are wrong and don't fit too well on the LALP version, and the drumming doesn't have the power of the original, and those drums are so essential to the rhythmic drive of the song.
That aside, it's a good live version, but it can't touch the original studio version.

NotePad

I think Mike Portnoy was a driving force for DT. I also feel the same way for Petrucci. Although the few albums have been stale sounding, incluning the last couple with MP, i think what the band was missing was a great Third Driving Force. Kevin Moore used to be this. But now, the glory days are over. At least IMHO ;)