Your Controversial Opinions on DT

[Prog Snob]

To whomever said that TEI is a better single than OTBOA; I like that opinion so much that I'm going to strongly disagree!

OTBOA is a far better representation of DTs sound and songwriting. It flows better as a song and is much more anthemic than TEI.

Let that be an end to it.

OTBOA is incredibly bland, dull prog. Like much of ADTOE, it's really lacking a strong element of what separates DT from the rest of the prog I don't like. TEI is a stronger song.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO fucker.   

You wanna fight about it?


Neither do I. Let's just give up and go to the chat thread.

See you there

[puppyonacid]

Think I'm coming to the conclusion that any Blob opinion on DT is a controversial one 

[BlobVanDam]

Think I'm coming to the conclusion that any Blob opinion on DT is a controversial one 

It took you this long?!

[Prog Snob]

Think I'm coming to the conclusion that any Blob opinion on DT is a controversial one 

It's all for effect.  He has a tattoo with the word "Scarred" tattooed across his back.  Underneath it reads "30 Years Say We're In This Together, DT."

[puppyonacid]

I needed to be sure

[puppyonacid]

I remember when I liked girls. My strategy was to pretend really hard not to like them.

I should point out I was referring to specific girls. I still like girls in the collective sense. The more the merrier in fact.

addendum. I have a girlfriend so if you're reading this the above isn't true

Maybe Blob loves Scarred. There's more to love about it than to hate. I wouldn't marry Scarred but I'd have a fun relationship with Scarred.

[Prog Snob]

I remember when I liked girls. My strategy was to pretend really hard not to like them.

I should point out I was referring to specific girls. I still like girls in the collective sense. The more the merrier in fact.

addendum. I have a girlfriend so if you're reading this the above isn't true

Maybe Blob loves Scarred. There's more to love about it than to hate. I wouldn't marry Scarred but I'd have a fun relationship with Scarred.

Especially if Scarred takes it in the poop chute. 

[BlobVanDam]

I remember when I liked girls. My strategy was to pretend really hard not to like them.

I should point out I was referring to specific girls. I still like girls in the collective sense. The more the merrier in fact.

addendum. I have a girlfriend so if you're reading this the above isn't true

Maybe Blob loves Scarred. There's more to love about it than to hate. I wouldn't marry Scarred but I'd have a fun relationship with Scarred.

Trust me, it is the most pure hate that has ever existed. There is no maybe here. Scarred is the worst thing DT have ever written. It's 95% wtf crap, and 5% meh.

[Crow]

6DOIT isn't a top 5 DT album and the title track is the worst song on the album.

Hi Blob.

[Beowulf]

I'm not sure how "controversial" this is, but....

I've been listening to DT since about Score (so i'm a fairly recent fan), and have gobbled up everything i could.  And i enjoyed most of it.  But this new album...  I can't get enough of it.  It is honestly the first album of theirs i have thoroughly enjoyed start to finish; i like every single track on the album.  There isn't another DT album i can say i like every single track.  It seems that the addition of Mangini has completely revitalized the band.  You can hear the absolute joy and freedom in the new album.  He is the breath of fresh air that they apparently needed.
I know that with the release of every album, all bands are the happiest with that album...  until the next one.  "This is the best thing we've ever done..." is the sentiment.  But this album...  It's the first time i can absolutely agree.

So, "controversial"?  Blasphemous?  Its just my humble opinion.  And as they say, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, even if its wrong.

[puppyonacid]

I remember when I liked girls. My strategy was to pretend really hard not to like them.

I should point out I was referring to specific girls. I still like girls in the collective sense. The more the merrier in fact.

addendum. I have a girlfriend so if you're reading this the above isn't true

Maybe Blob loves Scarred. There's more to love about it than to hate. I wouldn't marry Scarred but I'd have a fun relationship with Scarred.

.....It's 95% wtf crap, and 5% meh.

[BlobVanDam]

I just didn't want it to seem like hyperbole, because it genuinely is a terrible song. And I can't stand by and take such painful accusations such as finding any enjoyment from Scarred!

[Jaffa]

What about the intro?  I'm pretty sure I got you to admit that you liked the intro once, a long time ago.   

[BlobVanDam]

What about the intro?  I'm pretty sure I got you to admit that you liked the intro once, a long time ago.   

What part of 5% didn't you understand?

[Prog Snob]

I just didn't want it to seem like hyperbole, because it genuinely is a terrible song. And I can't stand by and take such painful accusations such as finding any enjoyment from Scarred!

See...

 I'm not fully convinced yet.  All effect.

[BlobVanDam]

I just didn't want it to seem like hyperbole, because it genuinely is a terrible song. And I can't stand by and take such painful accusations such as finding any enjoyment from Scarred!

See...

 I'm not fully convinced yet.  All effect.

Nope. It's crap.

[Jaffa]

You know, Blob isn't actually the only person with a negative opinion of Scarred. 

[Prog Snob]

I just didn't want it to seem like hyperbole, because it genuinely is a terrible song. And I can't stand by and take such painful accusations such as finding any enjoyment from Scarred!

See...

 I'm not fully convinced yet.  All effect.

Nope. It's crap.

See... there is hope. 

[Perpetual Change]

Transatlantic > Dream Theater

(and it's not even close anymore)

[jakepriest]

Transatlantic > Dream Theater

(and it's not even close anymore)

While I enjoyed Whirlwind, the latest Transatlantic album was pure crap for me. The only worthwhile part was the intro of the title track which then turned into a snooze-fest anyway.

[Zook]

Let's do a break down of Scarred shall we?

Jazzy intro
Nice mellow singing
James gets a little rowdy
little instrumental break
heavier instrumental break
dun dun dun deh dun dun dun deh dun dun dun deh dun dun dah deh dun
Awesome verses, James kicking ass, fun as hell to sing along to
pre chorus
more awesome verses
chorus
beautiful mellow poppy section
30 years say we're in this together
SO OPEN YOUR EEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEESSSSSSSSSSS
IT CALMS ME TO KNOW THAT I WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNT
chorus
dun deh deh dun deh dun deh dun deh dun deh dun deh dun
cool keyboard solo
amazing guitar solo
chorus
outro



WHERE'S THE PROBLEM, BLOB?

[BlobVanDam]

WHERE'S THE PROBLEM, BLOB?

Specifically, the bit from 0:00 - 10:59.

[Zook]

I've asked you before, and now I've mapped the song out in a crude manner, but can you honestly explain why the song is so detestable to you?

[Prog Snob]

WHERE'S THE PROBLEM, BLOB?

Specifically, the bit from 0:00 - 10:59.

That's more of a chomp than a bit. 

[BlobVanDam]

I've asked you before, and now I've mapped the song out in a crude manner, but can you honestly explain why the song is so detestable to you?

Honestly, just about everything, and I've explained it more times than I should have to, so I'm just pointing out the most offensive parts.
The chorus is the most bizarrely confused thing I've heard from DT, like I have no idea wtf they were trying to do. It has those silly Christmas/church bells, wonky vocal melodies that go nowhere and feel like someone randomly went up and down a scale without understanding how the notes work together to create a feel or create tension. The worst chorus DT has written. It's not good enough to be a chorus.
That boring heavy riff that just systematically goes through every note that is considered metal, except without sounding heavy in the process, and then doubling it with synth strings. The whole thing is so droning. The tacked on outro that comes out of nowhere for no reason, and feels like randomly chosen notes and rhythms, trying too hard to sound proggy, and ends up sounding like the same band who muddled their way through WDADU, rather than the band that expertly crafted IaW. Why is it there? What does it do?
I don't understand what they were thinking with any part of this song. I'm not convinced they knew what they were thinking when they wrote any part of this song. It's confusing. Most of the song is barely coherent to me musically. The only part of this song I can say I truly like is JP's guitar work in the intro. After that, it's quickly downhill.

In conclusion, JayOctavarium's sig. Platypus.

[Zook]

NO U

[puppyonacid]

If he don't like he don't like

I think the semi quaver triplet unison that comes in after the second chorus.....that whole section really........its just eargasmic.

Badass, bombastic. I think it's a highlight from Awake and a highlight in their catalogue. It sounds really inspired to me. The rhythm guitar under the keys solo too! Really sorta funky/fusion/rocky.....has a sorta Nuno vibe to it as well.

I will agree that there are parts that I think don't work as well as they could have. But the strong moments in that song always make it stand out as an early DT epic for me.

[KevShmev]

I have to admit that it is amusing seeing words like terrible, crap, etc. used to describe DT songs, considering Rule 12 of the forum:

12. Insults or senseless bashing of the current or former band members of Dream Theater and/or their music will not be tolerated.  Honest, open critique is always allowed, provided it does not cross the line and become bashing, belittling, etc.

I guess that rule doesn't apply to this thread.

[puppyonacid]

I think anyone posting in this thread is doing so because they hold an unpopular opinion.

Although, no one is saying DT are poop, or any of the individual members. So hey....why not.

Lifting Shadows off a Dream is a genuinely awful song though.

[Dark Castle]

Lifting Shadows off a Dream is a genuinely awful song though.

[Sycsa]

There's nothing wrong with labeling a song 'terrible'. Spare me your euphemisms! 

[BlobVanDam]

This ain't a thread for the weak! If calling a song terrible in the controversial opinions thread offends you, then clear out. Nobody had a problem for the other 100 pages of the thread.......

[puppyonacid]

Funny how we keep coming back to this though.

We gorge on your unpopular opinions Blob at a frantic pace that soon dissipates.....only to find it resurrected when nobody else's unpopular opinions come close.

[BlobVanDam]

Funny how we keep coming back to this though.

We gorge on your unpopular opinions Blob at a frantic pace that soon dissipates.....only to find it resurrected when nobody else's unpopular opinions come close.

Next time you need your fix, I'll write you a top 10. How about that?

[Prog Snob]

Lifting Shadows off a Dream is a genuinely awful song though.

Well he is on acid.....