Your Controversial Opinions on DT

[rumborak]

If we're talking hair, I would say LALP was right on the edge of what is still permissible for JP's massively receding hairline. Literally the first notable thing on the DVD for me was that "whooow, that's high up there!" when they show him the first time.

I think it's time to go short.

[Lucien]

I think they should have a long song without noodling. I can't think of a long DT song (over 10 minutes) that doesn't have noodling in some form or another.

[BlobVanDam]

I think they should have a long song without noodling. I can't think of a long DT song (over 10 minutes) that doesn't have noodling in some form or another.

Aside from the outro solo, which is still very tasteful and melodic, TBOT is extremely restrained throughout. Repentance also doesn't have anything that I can think of off the top of my head, it's just repetitive, so isn't what I think of as a "long" song structurally speaking.

[The Holy Tune]

Hello guys, me again. I listened to the whole of ADTOE and DT12 back to back today. I must say that my opinions on ADTOE have changed. WDADU seems to be the worst for me now! And DT12 feels way more adventurous than ADTOE. TEI doesn't feel "dull" at all after hearing most of ADTOE, especially MM's additions are way too much. This means he did big things in the writing process. Drums feel tasty! That's all for now, it seems

[jakepriest]

TEI is definitely a better single than OTBOA by far. But I still think BMU,BMD is better than both Enigma Machine and The Looking Glass.

[TheGreatPretender]

I still don't get the hate for DT12. As much as I like ADTOE, DT12 is far more adventurous (there's not really any DT album that sounds like it). Apart from the unnecessary ambient break in IT, I think it's phenomenal all the way through and easily one of their best albums ever.

Totally agree. Haters gonna hate.

TEI is definitely a better single than OTBOA by far. But I still think BMU,BMD is better than both Enigma Machine and The Looking Glass.

Is it opposite day again?

[The Holy Tune]

But I still think BMU,BMD is better than both Enigma Machine and The Looking Glass.

BMU,BMD has the harshness I've always looked for but the content didn't please me at all. The Looking Glass is magnificent imo, and so is Enigma Machine. But the latter one could've been better. Though I somehow connect many parts of it to TDoE...

[Prog Snob]

TEI is definitely a better single than OTBOA by far. But I still think BMU,BMD is better than both Enigma Machine and The Looking Glass.

Is it opposite day again?

I think it might be.

[Xersiz]

The Ministry of Lost Souls is THE best Dream Theater song.

I get goose gumps everytime when the "goodbyee" part hits...

[TheGreatPretender]

The Ministry of Lost Souls is THE best Dream Theater song.

I get goose gumps everytime when the "goodbyee" part hits...

Not my #1, but it definitely has everything that makes Dream Theater great. Epic, orchestral parts, quiet, acoustic parts, extended wanky instrumental section, and ends with a melodic Petrucci solo.

[krands85]

The Ministry of Lost Souls is THE best Dream Theater song.

I get goose gumps everytime when the "goodbyee" part hits...

Not my #1, but it definitely has everything that makes Dream Theater great. Epic, orchestral parts, quiet, acoustic parts, extended wanky instrumental section, and ends with a melodic Petrucci solo.

One of their more underrated songs IMO.

[adastra]

The Ministry of Lost Souls is THE best Dream Theater song.

I get goose gumps everytime when the "goodbyee" part hits...

I wouldnät say it is my favourite but it surely is "different"
I like the "fantasy"lyrics and  the melodies are awesome!

[Crow]

I haven't listened to DT12 a whole lot, but I imagine I'll still spin it from time to time. After all, I disliked ADTOE when I first heard it, and I really like it now.

I mean, it's your choice and all, but that seems a bit extreme.

It's less "intentionally avoiding it" as much as "I have other stuff to listen to that will fulfill me more and thus no time to listen to an album that has given me so little after a fair number of spins".

[BlobVanDam]

The Ministry of Lost Souls is THE best Dream Theater song.

I get goose gumps everytime when the "goodbyee" part hits...

The instrumental is the only part that does nothing for me (although I don't dislike it), but the rest of the song is underratedly good. That goodbye part always gets me too.

[aprilethereal]

TMOLS

[Prog Snob]

The Ministry of Lost Souls is THE best Dream Theater song.

I get goose gumps everytime when the "goodbyee" part hits...

The instrumental is the only part that does nothing for me (although I don't dislike it), but the rest of the song is underratedly good. That goodbye part always gets me too.

Agreed.  The part of the instrumental section that always does it for me is JP's solo. 

[BlobVanDam]

The Ministry of Lost Souls is THE best Dream Theater song.

I get goose gumps everytime when the "goodbyee" part hits...

The instrumental is the only part that does nothing for me (although I don't dislike it), but the rest of the song is underratedly good. That goodbye part always gets me too.

Agreed.  The part of the instrumental section that always does it for me is JP's solo.

JP's solo in that song is rockin'. JP always brings it in the solo department.

[Dublagent66]

TMOLS is an amazing song on what some people consider to be a mediocre album.  Gotta tell ya, when I listen to DT12, it makes me want to go back and listen to SC and BC&SL.

[RodrigoAltaf]

TMOLS is addictive! I love this song.

[XB0BX]

SC is a classic album and people only hate it to fit in.

[Jaffa]

people only hate it to fit in.

This is where you lose me.  I like SC, but that doesn't mean I'm going to write off other people's opinions, which is exactly what you're doing.  Fact is, some people just don't like the album. 

[Prog Snob]

SC is a classic album and people only hate it to fit in.

Fit in with who exactly?

[Nearmyth]

I remember thinking Systematic Chaos was good until I heard much of the popular opinion on it. Honestly, I can't tell if the popular opinion made me actually see that it wasn't all that great, or if it just swayed me to thinking that way About half the tracks are throwaway for me, though, so it might be the former.

And TMOLS is underrated indeed

[ozzy554]

One of my favorite things about the new album is that the songs are more to the point. As much as I like ADTOE, and BC&SL there are a few songs that did not need to be as long as they were.

I do not like the orchestral break in IT. To me it feels more like its interrupting the song rather than being part of it,

[Daso]

I love TMoLS and SC in general (except for PoW, what a terrible song...). I admit I didn't like it too much before, but it needed to get more of a chance for me to listen to it properly.

I think DT12 is their third best album and I love every song on it. The melodic orientation, along with the incredible rhythmic sections and conciseness that lacked on many parts of ADToE are definitely there for DT12. And, don't get me wrong, ADToE is an excellent album too.

[Jaffa]

I do not like the orchestral break in IT. To me it feels more like its interrupting the song rather than being part of it,

Totally agree with the bolded part.  It's still a nice piece of music in its own right, in my opinion, but it really does derail the song for me. 

[puppyonacid]

To whomever said that TEI is a better single than OTBOA; I like that opinion so much that I'm going to strongly disagree!

OTBOA is a far better representation of DTs sound and songwriting. It flows better as a song and is much more anthemic than TEI.

Let that be an end to it.

[The Stray Seed]

OTBOA is a far better representation of DTs sound and songwriting.

Yes.

It flows better as a song and is much more anthemic than TEI.

Maybe it flows better, but not by far, and still TEI flows pretty damn well to me. I get bored of OTBOA after a while, but TEI is so fast and tight and gets all my interest from beginning to end. More anthemic? Well, I'd rather sing along to TEI chorus rather than OTBOA's, but I get where you're coming from. OTBOA has that kind of epic vibe.

Let that be an end to it.

Why? Confrontation is fun and healthy for body and spirit =)

[puppyonacid]

I shoulda written that last part in green

[The Stray Seed]

=) I knew you were joking

[ZKX-2099]

OTBOA is a far better representation of DTs sound and songwriting.

Well seeing as it uses the same structure as Pull Me Under...

[puppyonacid]

I'm not sure I'd agree that that is relevant

[BlobVanDam]

To whomever said that TEI is a better single than OTBOA; I like that opinion so much that I'm going to strongly disagree!

OTBOA is a far better representation of DTs sound and songwriting. It flows better as a song and is much more anthemic than TEI.

Let that be an end to it.

OTBOA is incredibly bland, dull prog. Like much of ADTOE, it's really lacking a strong element of what separates DT from the rest of the prog I don't like. TEI is a stronger song.

I remember thinking Systematic Chaos was good until I heard much of the popular opinion on it. Honestly, I can't tell if the popular opinion made me actually see that it wasn't all that great, or if it just swayed me to thinking that way About half the tracks are throwaway for me, though, so it might be the former.

I remember thinking Systematic Chaos wasn't good, until I remembered to ignore the popular opinion on it and actually listen to it again, and remember that it is actually pretty good.

[Prog Snob]

To whomever said that TEI is a better single than OTBOA; I like that opinion so much that I'm going to strongly disagree!

OTBOA is a far better representation of DTs sound and songwriting. It flows better as a song and is much more anthemic than TEI.

Let that be an end to it.

OTBOA is incredibly bland, dull prog. Like much of ADTOE, it's really lacking a strong element of what separates DT from the rest of the prog I don't like. TEI is a stronger song.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO fucker.   

[BlobVanDam]

To whomever said that TEI is a better single than OTBOA; I like that opinion so much that I'm going to strongly disagree!

OTBOA is a far better representation of DTs sound and songwriting. It flows better as a song and is much more anthemic than TEI.

Let that be an end to it.

OTBOA is incredibly bland, dull prog. Like much of ADTOE, it's really lacking a strong element of what separates DT from the rest of the prog I don't like. TEI is a stronger song.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO fucker.   

You wanna fight about it?


Neither do I. Let's just give up and go to the chat thread.