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Offline ThatOneGuy2112

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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #3010 on: January 06, 2014, 12:31:15 PM »
So it's gone from being controversial opinions about DT to common opinions about Metallica. :lol

You could pick a handful of songs from their first four albums far superior to As I Am, which is still a pretty cool song. At least that's where my first thoughts went, whereas most went straight to post-Black album Metallica it seems.
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« Reply #3011 on: January 06, 2014, 12:37:08 PM »
Well, I admit, I'm not very familiar with Metallica's discography. At least not extensively. But I will say that As I Am is better than anything on Master of Puppets and the Black Album.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #3012 on: January 06, 2014, 12:37:58 PM »
Enter Sandman and Sad but True are levels of awesome that As I Am can only dream of. I mean, AIA is a good song, don't get me wrong, but in the grander scheme of things it's nowhere near top shelf.
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« Reply #3013 on: January 06, 2014, 12:41:05 PM »
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on January 06, 2014, 12:37:08 PM
Well, I admit, I'm not very familiar with Metallica's discography. At least not extensively. But I will say that As I Am is better than anything on Master of Puppets and the Black Album.

 :facepalm:

I am not even that big of a Metallica fan, but nearly every song on Master of Puppets destroys As I Am, as does the majority of The Black Album, especially the deeper cuts like The God That Failed, Of Wolf and Man, My Friend of Misery, and Don't Tread on Me.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #3014 on: January 06, 2014, 12:41:15 PM »
Quote from: rumborak on January 06, 2014, 12:37:58 PM
Enter Sandman and Sad but True are levels of awesome that As I Am can only dream of. I mean, AIA is a good song, don't get me wrong, but in the grander scheme of things it's nowhere near top shelf.

I actually prefer Wherever I May Roam to all of those
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #3015 on: January 06, 2014, 12:46:56 PM »
I'm not really a Metallica fan, although I like some of their stuff, but quite many of their songs are better than As I Am.
Quote from: rumborak on January 06, 2014, 12:37:58 PM
AIA is a good song, don't get me wrong, but in the grander scheme of things it's nowhere near top shelf.
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« Reply #3016 on: January 06, 2014, 12:49:03 PM »
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on January 06, 2014, 12:37:08 PM
Well, I admit, I'm not very familiar with Metallica's discography. At least not extensively. But I will say that As I Am is better than anything on Master of Puppets and the Black Album.

Pretty much every song on Master of Puppets far surpasses As I Am IMO. AIA is a great song, and pretty kick ass, true, but I can't see it beating out anything on MoP. Same goes for at least half of the Black album.
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« Reply #3017 on: January 06, 2014, 12:59:55 PM »
Quote from: ThatOneGuy2112 on January 06, 2014, 12:49:03 PM
Pretty much every song on Master of Puppets far surpasses As I Am IMO. AIA is a great song, and pretty kick ass, true, but I can't see it beating out anything on MoP. Same goes for at least half of the Black album.
And half of Ride the Lightning...
And half of Kill 'Em All.....
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« Reply #3018 on: January 06, 2014, 01:00:50 PM »
Quote from: KevShmev on January 06, 2014, 12:41:05 PM
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on January 06, 2014, 12:37:08 PM
Well, I admit, I'm not very familiar with Metallica's discography. At least not extensively. But I will say that As I Am is better than anything on Master of Puppets and the Black Album.

 :facepalm:

I am not even that big of a Metallica fan, but nearly every song on Master of Puppets destroys As I Am, as does the majority of The Black Album, especially the deeper cuts like The God That Failed, Of Wolf and Man, My Friend of Misery, and Don't Tread on Me.

Well, that's, just, like, your opinion, man.
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« Reply #3019 on: January 06, 2014, 01:02:11 PM »
It's a pretty good opinion. :tup
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« Reply #3020 on: January 06, 2014, 01:03:34 PM »
Quote from: rickhawk80 on January 06, 2014, 01:02:11 PM
It's a pretty good opinion. :tup

It's also equally as valid as my opinion that As I Am is better than anything on those two albums.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #3021 on: January 06, 2014, 01:04:13 PM »
Most of the Black Album is just mediocre. AJFA was the last solid CD they put out, IMO of course.
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« Reply #3022 on: January 06, 2014, 01:04:59 PM »
Quote from: rickhawk80 on January 06, 2014, 12:59:55 PM
Quote from: ThatOneGuy2112 on January 06, 2014, 12:49:03 PM
Pretty much every song on Master of Puppets far surpasses As I Am IMO. AIA is a great song, and pretty kick ass, true, but I can't see it beating out anything on MoP. Same goes for at least half of the Black album.
And half of Ride the Lightning...
And half of Kill 'Em All.....

I'm tempted to say all of AJFA as well. :biggrin:
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« Reply #3023 on: January 06, 2014, 01:15:09 PM »
Quote from: ThatOneGuy2112 on January 06, 2014, 01:04:59 PM
Quote from: rickhawk80 on January 06, 2014, 12:59:55 PM
Quote from: ThatOneGuy2112 on January 06, 2014, 12:49:03 PM
Pretty much every song on Master of Puppets far surpasses As I Am IMO. AIA is a great song, and pretty kick ass, true, but I can't see it beating out anything on MoP. Same goes for at least half of the Black album.
And half of Ride the Lightning...
And half of Kill 'Em All.....

I'm tempted to say all of AJFA as well. :biggrin:

You should give in to that temptation.    :hat
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #3024 on: January 06, 2014, 02:18:19 PM »
Quote from: Prog Snob on January 06, 2014, 01:04:13 PM
Most of the Black Album is just mediocre. AJFA was the last solid CD they put out, IMO of course.
This. And I'd say most material on their first 4 albums is as good or better than As I Am, which is still a pretty great song.
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« Reply #3025 on: January 06, 2014, 02:26:45 PM »
I have never seen a thread on this forum stay so consistently off-topic (or so close to it) for such an extended period of time. So as a way to get back on track....


From a musical standpoint,YOU NOT ME IS THE BEST SONG DT HAS EVER WRITTEN.
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« Reply #3026 on: January 06, 2014, 02:27:50 PM »
Oh no. The "music can be objective" is imminent.


Take cover.
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« Reply #3027 on: January 06, 2014, 02:28:45 PM »
I don't think there's any point comparing AIA with Metallica songs and claiming one is definitively "better" than the other. They're different styles of music, guys. Metallica are/were a thrash/speed metal band, DT are prog metal. Now I'm guessing that the majority of us here are more inclined towards the proggier side of things, so clearly we are going to take AIA other many Metallica tunes in many cases. But that's just because, as prog fans, we find that particular song more palatable.

Yes, AIA seems to be clearly Metallica-inspired, and similarities exist. Still, there are many progressive elements in there that you simply wouldn't find in a Metallica song. Ergo, I don't believe a direct comparison is called for.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #3028 on: January 06, 2014, 02:36:21 PM »
Quote from: Joshin U on January 06, 2014, 02:26:45 PM
I have never seen a thread on this forum stay so consistently off-topic (or so close to it) for such an extended period of time. So as a way to get back on track....


From a musical standpoint,YOU NOT ME IS THE BEST SONG DT HAS EVER WRITTEN.
jk


Well, technically speaking, the song wasn't written by DT alone, so it doesn't count. Lawyered!


Quote from: JiM-Xtreme on January 06, 2014, 02:28:45 PM
I don't think there's any point comparing AIA with Metallica songs and claiming one is definitively "better" than the other. They're different styles of music, guys. Metallica are/were a thrash/speed metal band, DT are prog metal. Now I'm guessing that the majority of us here are more inclined towards the proggier side of things, so clearly we are going to take AIA other many Metallica tunes in many cases. But that's just because, as prog fans, we find that particular song more palatable.

Yes, AIA seems to be clearly Metallica-inspired, and similarities exist. Still, there are many progressive elements in there that you simply wouldn't find in a Metallica song. Ergo, I don't believe a direct comparison is called for.
I think Master of Puppets is the perfect example of a Metallica song which has some very progressive elements.

But As I Am is one of those DT songs that's just consistently awesome all throughout. There's really not a single section about it that's less than amazing. (Except for "I've been wasting my breath on you, open minds will descend upon you". I hate repeating rhymes, but that's a very minor nitpick.) But musically, every section in it is amazing.
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Re: Your Controversial Opinions on DT
« Reply #3029 on: January 06, 2014, 02:45:46 PM »
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on January 06, 2014, 02:36:21 PM
Well, technically speaking, the song wasn't written by DT alone, so it doesn't count. Lawyered!

SHIT

I would say that ANTR's "rorororo" is the most emotional DT has ever been, but y'all seem way too embedded in your Metallica debate to care :sadpanda:
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« Reply #3030 on: January 06, 2014, 02:50:30 PM »
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on January 06, 2014, 02:36:21 PM
Quote from: JiM-Xtreme on January 06, 2014, 02:28:45 PM
I don't think there's any point comparing AIA with Metallica songs and claiming one is definitively "better" than the other. They're different styles of music, guys. Metallica are/were a thrash/speed metal band, DT are prog metal. Now I'm guessing that the majority of us here are more inclined towards the proggier side of things, so clearly we are going to take AIA other many Metallica tunes in many cases. But that's just because, as prog fans, we find that particular song more palatable.

Yes, AIA seems to be clearly Metallica-inspired, and similarities exist. Still, there are many progressive elements in there that you simply wouldn't find in a Metallica song. Ergo, I don't believe a direct comparison is called for.
I think Master of Puppets is the perfect example of a Metallica song which has some very progressive elements.

I would also throw in Orion and much of AJFA, namely the title track and One.
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« Reply #3031 on: January 06, 2014, 02:57:31 PM »
Quote from: ThatOneGuy2112 on January 06, 2014, 02:50:30 PM

I would also throw in Orion

Yeah, but I think that regardless of a band's genre, the vast majority of instrumental tracks out there inherently have progressive elements. I mean, in most cases, instrumentals don't follow the "verse chorus verse chorus solo chorus" formula. Although, I have heard some that were done that way, with guitar solos instead of vocals. But in most cases, instrumentals have an evolving and varying structure to them.
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« Reply #3032 on: January 06, 2014, 03:00:57 PM »
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on January 06, 2014, 02:57:31 PM
Yeah, but I think that regardless of a band's genre, the vast majority of instrumental tracks out there inherently have progressive elements.

Not this one.   ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoPzjWjBZNY

Just because it's instrumental doesn't mean it's proggy.  I could rattle of a mess of non-proggy instrumentals. 
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« Reply #3033 on: January 06, 2014, 03:55:43 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bombadil on January 06, 2014, 02:18:19 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on January 06, 2014, 01:04:13 PM
Most of the Black Album is just mediocre. AJFA was the last solid CD they put out, IMO of course.
This. And I'd say most material on their first 4 albums is as good or better than As I Am, which is still a pretty great song.

I'm not a big fan of Kill Em All either.  So I'd say RTL, MOP, and AJFA are where there strongest songs are.
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« Reply #3034 on: January 06, 2014, 04:09:18 PM »
Quote from: rickhawk80 on January 06, 2014, 03:00:57 PM

Just because it's instrumental doesn't mean it's proggy.  I could rattle of a mess of non-proggy instrumentals.

Define proggy.
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« Reply #3035 on: January 06, 2014, 04:15:28 PM »
oh goodness no
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« Reply #3036 on: January 06, 2014, 04:18:51 PM »
So how about them controversial DT opinions?

I think Trial of Tears is overrated.
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« Reply #3037 on: January 06, 2014, 04:19:16 PM »
I like Trial of Tears, but I think Voices is overrated.
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« Reply #3038 on: January 06, 2014, 04:20:23 PM »
I love Trial of Tears! But I do think it's overrated.
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« Reply #3039 on: January 06, 2014, 04:21:47 PM »
Yeah, I think it's a great song and all, I just don't quite understand why some people seem to think it's the best thing ever.
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« Reply #3040 on: January 06, 2014, 04:28:50 PM »
Well, I'm not quite sure what popular opinion is on that one, but if it is something like top 20, I agree with it. Top 10 is stretching it though.
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« Reply #3041 on: January 06, 2014, 05:58:51 PM »
Quote from: Jaffa on January 06, 2014, 04:18:51 PM
So how about them controversial DT opinions?

I think Trial of Tears is overrated.

So YOU killed Scorpion!  :o
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« Reply #3042 on: January 06, 2014, 06:21:24 PM »
 :lol

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Oh god maybe I did!   :omg:
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« Reply #3043 on: January 06, 2014, 06:22:20 PM »
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« Reply #3044 on: January 06, 2014, 06:27:54 PM »
Quote from: Lucien on January 06, 2014, 05:58:51 PM
Quote from: Jaffa on January 06, 2014, 04:18:51 PM
So how about them controversial DT opinions?

I think Trial of Tears is overrated.

So YOU killed Scorpion!  :o

Does that make him Sub-Zero?
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