Your Controversial Opinions on DT

[durga2112]

Dislike on all the TMoLS negativity here.

For real. I've always loved that song, and I flipped out when they played it on the View tour (which happened to be the first time I saw them live). The way they transitioned into it from "About to Crash", I think it took my brain about 30 seconds to catch up to what was happening. 

[Jamesman42]

To be clear I only find it terribly boring song so I don't like it much but I can't name it their worst either. Because there is Raw Dog.

That's fair, but at least Raw Dog is interesting in the sense that you wonder "lol ok DT" whereas with Ministry, I just wonder "why would I ever want to hear this boring music?".

[pg1067]

The Ministry of Lost Souls and Repentance are the most boring songs DT ever made. But TMOLS is worse because it is longer than Repentance. 

The worst sin a song can commit is to be boring.  Hence, Repentance is the worst song in the catalog.

The performance of TMOLS on the View tour elevated it a bit in my eyes.

[Revenge319]

The Ministry of Lost Souls

It might be their worst song ever.

[DTA]

The worst sin a song can commit is to be boring.  Hence, Repentance is the worst song in the catalog.

The performance of TMOLS on the View tour elevated it a bit in my eyes.

Same. I always trashed Ministry but once I saw it live on the View tour, my opinion completely changed. It was outstanding live.

[MirrorMask]

For real. I've always loved that song, and I flipped out when they played it on the View tour (which happened to be the first time I saw them live). The way they transitioned into it from "About to Crash", I think it took my brain about 30 seconds to catch up to what was happening. 

Dehehe same here! in the heat of the moment and with the not-perfect sound quality of a live show, it took me some time to realize what was going on!

And the song is great. Its only sin is to have a wanking shoehorned solo section that has nothing to do with the rest of the song, but the dramatic build up of the song is great. "I used my freedom to protect you, and all the while direct you, do you remember me this time, even in death I gave you life".... what's not to like there?

[hunnus2000]

Errrr, Metropolis ain't that good of a song.

It starts out awesome and has the goosebump factor. But after that it falls flat when the vocals come in.

OK - I'm looking for my getaway car now.

[MirrorMask]

OK - I'm looking for my getaway car now.

[dualpalmpilots]

Errrr, Metropolis ain't that good of a song.

It starts out awesome and has the goosebump factor. But after that it falls flat when the vocals come in.

OK - I'm looking for my getaway car now.

This is incredibly controversial. The bit where the vocals and keys come back in at the end was what hooked me on Dream Theater for life.

[Jamesman42]

I saw Ministry live when the album was fresh, it didn't help it's case one bit 

[CraftyCaleb2483]

Dislike on all the TMoLS negativity here.

Dislike on all the TGP positivity here too!

[nobloodyname]

Errrr, Metropolis ain't that good of a song.

It starts out awesome and has the goosebump factor. But after that it falls flat when the vocals come in.

OK - I'm looking for my getaway car now.

That getaway car ain't gonna be fast enough, sunshine.

[hefdaddy42]

Dislike on all the TGP positivity here too!

Get out

[CraftyCaleb2483]

Now some more of my (many) controversial opinions...

#1 Falling Into Infinity is the best DT album, and ADTOE is their worst

#2 ACoS is worse than Octavarium, TCoT and ITPOE, and doesn't scratch my top 25

#3 DT12 is the best Mangini album

[Mr.Mister]

I don't think this is controversial opinion but I don't want to start a new thread: DT should release Jam session albums inclusive of James singing mumbled melodies. Think LTE's 3 Minutes warning or Take this for the Pain.

[ganpondorodf]

The Shattered Fortress is the ONLY 12 Step song I unequivocally like. The others, particularly the first two, just go on and on and on imo. Glass Prison would be massively improved by shaving about 4 minutes off the back half.

[Lonk]

#2 ACoS is worse than Octavarium, TCoT and ITPOE, and doesn't scratch my top 25

If it makes you feel better, Stadler and Evermind left it out of their top 100 last time we did the rankings. I disagree of course, but everyone has their taste.

[pg1067]

Errrr, Metropolis ain't that good of a song.

It starts out awesome and has the goosebump factor. But after that it falls flat when the vocals come in.

OK - I'm looking for my getaway car now.

And I thought that my disdain for The Mirror was about as hot as a take could get around here!

#3 DT12 is the best Mangini album

I completely agree with that.

[Evermind]

If it makes you feel better, Stadler and Evermind left it out of their top 100 last time we did the rankings. I disagree of course, but everyone has their taste.

Did you write that down somewhere for easy reference?

[Lonk]

Did you write that down somewhere for easy reference?

Nah, just good memory for whenever I need to shame someone 

[SeRoX]

I understand James can go behind the stage during long instrumental sections but I find it awkard him left the stage for 1-2 min. instrumental breaks. I prefer him doing his things on the stage.

[Mr.Mister]

Actually thought of one: James' voice should not be reserved for lyrics only. I miss hearing more melodic fillers like in LTL (I'm not saying he needs to hit F#) but a vocalists can add a lot of sounds to embelish a song.

[Mosh]

The Ministry of Lost Souls was a contender for my least favorite DT song for a long time. Unfortunately, there are a few songs off The Astonishing, Distance Over Time, and View that could beat it out. It's down there though. I did enjoy seeing it on the View tour, always happy to see the band pull out unexpected lost gems, but I can't say it helped my appreciation of the song. This was the first real example in the band's history of them just going through the motions for me, something that started to happen more frequently over the next decade.

[ganpondorodf]

Ministry of Lost Souls has a terrific guitar outro, it's just a shame about the 11-odd minutes leading up to it. I feel like that was the sort of thing that made a lot of fans think they should consider an outside producer; someone less 'in' and attached who could help trim some of the fat. That song, in no universe, needs to be pushing 15 minutes.

[Mosh]

Ministry of Lost Souls has a terrific guitar outro, it's just a shame about the 11-odd minutes leading up to it. I feel like that was the sort of thing that made a lot of fans think they should consider an outside producer; someone less 'in' and attached who could help trim some of the fat. That song, in no universe, needs to be pushing 15 minutes.

Maybe it's a contradiction, but as much as I agree with that the song being overblown is its biggest downfall, I'm also firmly in the camp of letting DT cook without a producer. Even if it makes the material more hit and miss.

[HOF]

Errrr, Metropolis ain't that good of a song.

It starts out awesome and has the goosebump factor. But after that it falls flat when the vocals come in.

OK - I'm looking for my getaway car now.

I kind of agree with you. Even way back in the day, I remember thinking the middle section was really cool, but it quickly kind of wore out for me. It is very much not a song I seek out anymore. The intro is pretty amazing still though.

I feel similarly about Pull Me Under, which is probably even less interesting to me these days than Metropolis.

[BeatriceNB]

It might be their worst song ever.

C'mon... Peruvian Skies, Burning My Soul, Just Let Me Breathe, Anna Lee, Honor Thy Father, Constant Motion, Paralyzed, Room 137, Midnight Messiah...
I think those are stronger contenders for their worst song
But seriously, I think Peruvian Skies is the only DT song I truly dislike, I find it incredibly annoying.
Although TMOLS is one of my favourites, so...

[ganpondorodf]

John Petrucci lyrical change for the next album: John is forbidden from using the word 'paralyzed' or any of its derivatives in any lyrics 

[TheBarstoolWarrior]

C'mon... Peruvian Skies, Burning My Soul, Just Let Me Breathe, Anna Lee, Honor Thy Father, Constant Motion, Paralyzed, Room 137, Midnight Messiah...
I think those are stronger contenders for their worst song
But seriously, I think Peruvian Skies is the only DT song I truly dislike, I find it incredibly annoying.
Although TMOLS is one of my favourites, so...

He's right I think lol. Many of the songs you list have SOMETHING to like about them. Even Anna Lee, the eternal object of scorn has a decent hook. I've always found the biggest offenders on octavarium and SC to be bottom of the barrel. Never Enough, TMOLS and one or two others.

[MidnightSlice]

You Not Me is best song on FII

Top 20 DT song overall for me as well.

 

[SeRoX]

You Not Me is best song on FII

Top 20 DT song overall for me as well.

 

Just a friendly reminder. You can also use green font in controversial opinions thread. 

[gzarruk]

I like every DT song (I guess that counts as controversial, it seems).

Sure, I like/love some more than others, but I'm quite happy playing DT's catalog on shuffle and listening to anything from it. The only things I really don't care much about, besides covers and unfinished demos/earlier versions, are the NOMAC tracks and Are We Dreaming?

[MidnightSlice]

C'mon... Peruvian Skies, Burning My Soul, Just Let Me Breathe, Anna Lee, Honor Thy Father, Constant Motion, Paralyzed, Room 137, Midnight Messiah...
I think those are stronger contenders for their worst song
But seriously, I think Peruvian Skies is the only DT song I truly dislike, I find it incredibly annoying.
Although TMOLS is one of my favourites, so...

Where is "every song off of The Astonishing."

[BeatriceNB]

Where is "every song off of The Astonishing."

The Astonishing is my favourite DT album, no chance ever of me ranking any of its songs in the bottom

[BeatriceNB]

You Not Me is best song on FII

Top 20 DT song overall for me as well.

 

I think I agree with it being the best of FII, considering I never listen to the album version of Trial Of Tears.
The chorus is amazing.