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lateralus88 · « **Reply #280 on:** July 09, 2011, 06:07:10 PM »

I'd say either Toxicity or Mezmerize are the two most accessible.

jmplayer · « **Reply #281 on:** July 09, 2011, 06:28:11 PM »

Start with Toxicity or Mezermize, then STA and Hypnotize, and finally Self-Titled. Their unreleased stuff are good to listen too.

dethklok09 · « **Reply #282 on:** July 09, 2011, 10:43:05 PM »

Quote from: alirocker08 on July 09, 2011, 07:45:30 AM

I don't know where to get started with these guys, recommend some songs for me please!

Well everyones recommended albums so here are some individual songs
Sugar (THIS IS A FUCKING MUST)
Revenga
ieaiaio
Cigaro
Toxicity
Holy Mountains

Glad you are checking out this band they are fucking great.

Aramatheis · « **Reply #283 on:** July 10, 2011, 09:30:09 AM »

Quote from: dethklok09 on July 09, 2011, 10:43:05 PM

Well everyones recommended albums so here are some individual songs
~~Sugar (THIS IS A FUCKING MUST)~~
Revenga
ieaiaio
~~Cigaro~~
Toxicity
Holy Mountains

Glad you are checking out this band they are fucking great.

Well here's the issue with your list of songs.
She's trying to get into SOAD, so we want to start her off with the non "weird" songs they have. It might be too much at once if she starts off straight away with songs like "Sugar", "Cigaro", "Violent Pornography" and such.

If she starts off listening to Toxicity (the album), it's a good start because it's a bit more tame than the other albums. It's got more of a rock-edge to it on most of the songs, while still retaining the typical SOAD oddity (albeit in a slower, more introductory way).

So she should start, no question, with Toxicity. Up next, either Steal This Album! or Mezmerize, and by then she'll be used to it all, and can move on to Hypnotize and then self-titled.

So in reference to your list, I believe Sugar and Cigaro to be a bit much to start off with. However, Revenga and I-E-A-E-A-I-O are great songs for her to listen to, because they're fairly clean, typical System sound, and extremely catchy.

Toxicity is just an absolutely mind-blastingly awesome song, so it's a safe bet that she'll like it.

And finally, Holy Mountains. What a great song. This is pure System Imo, and just all around awesome. I feel like this song doesn't get enough praise (at least from what discussions I've had about SOAD). She should definitely listen to this.

Lynxo · « **Reply #284 on:** July 10, 2011, 09:32:19 AM »

Dammit, every time I think of the song Sugar, I can't help but saying Shhhhuuuugaaaaaahhh to myself in that Daron kind of way. xD

I wonder if they will record another album once this tour is over...

Aramatheis · « **Reply #285 on:** July 10, 2011, 09:38:14 AM »

Quote from: Lynxo on July 10, 2011, 09:32:19 AM

Dammit, every time I think of the song Sugar, I can't help but saying Shhhhuuuugaaaaaahhh to myself in that Daron kind of way. xD

Who doesn't?

Quote from: Lynxo on July 10, 2011, 09:32:19 AM

I wonder if they will record another album once this tour is over...

We can only hope.

Ultimetalhead · « **Reply #286 on:** July 10, 2011, 11:28:36 AM »

I almost don't want them to make another album. Their discography is so flawless already that I'd be worried about them trying to add to it. Besides, Mesmerize/Hypnotize (they fit on one disc, they're one album, but that's another discussion) effectively summed up everything they were. Plus, Soldier Side was the ultimate farewell song, and still is.

lateralus88 · « **Reply #287 on:** July 10, 2011, 11:45:54 AM »

Quote from: Ultimetalhead on July 10, 2011, 11:28:36 AM

I almost don't want them to make another album. Their discography is so flawless already that I'd be worried about them trying to add to it. Besides, Mesmerize/Hypnotize (they fit on one disc, they're one album, but that's another discussion) effectively summed up everything they were. Plus, Soldier Side was the ultimate farewell song, and still is.

I agree with most of this EXCEPT for Soldier Side being a farewell song. To me, it still feels empty as a closing song to their career. Always has. It was one of the reasons I couldn't hopelessly give myself away to Hypnotize for the longest times like I did with Mezmerize. If you ask me, Lost in Hollywood would have summed it all up so much better.

As for a new album, I look at it this way. I'd love to see them reclaim their name in terms of song writing with the release of a new album. I'm just worried it won't be as classic as every one of their other 5 albums (it's not one album, but that's another discussion).

Gadough · « **Reply #288 on:** July 10, 2011, 03:04:53 PM »

Load and Reload are two separate albums.

Deliverance and Damnation are two separate albums.

Mezmerize and Hypnotize are two separate albums.

Jamesman42 · « **Reply #289 on:** July 10, 2011, 04:51:10 PM »

I remember when I first got wind of Mesmerize/Hypnotize, they said it was a double album to be released in two parts.

Edit: here is the wiki link saying so: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_of_a_Down#Mezmerize_and_Hypnotize_.282004.E2.80.932005.29

lateralus88 · « **Reply #290 on:** July 10, 2011, 04:59:34 PM »

Double album or not, it doesn't flow like one full album.

Jamesman42 · « **Reply #291 on:** July 10, 2011, 05:04:48 PM »

Yeah, but the contents don't mean anything when discussing whether it's a double album or not.

dethklok09 · « **Reply #292 on:** July 11, 2011, 12:30:22 AM »

Quote from: Aramatheis on July 10, 2011, 09:30:09 AM

Quote from: dethklok09 on July 09, 2011, 10:43:05 PM

Well everyones recommended albums so here are some individual songs
~~Sugar (THIS IS A FUCKING MUST)~~
Revenga
ieaiaio
~~Cigaro~~
Toxicity
Holy Mountains

Glad you are checking out this band they are fucking great.

Well here's the issue with your list of songs.
She's trying to get into SOAD, so we want to start her off with the non "weird" songs they have. It might be too much at once if she starts off straight away with songs like "Sugar", "Cigaro", "Violent Pornography" and such.

Well it's stuff like sugar, ieaiaio, and cigaro that actually got me hooked on this band (I know its not exactly the most accessible but when I listened to it I just thought it was the coolest thing ever). Holy mountains is just fucking great and so is revenga so that's why I added them.

Ultimetalhead · « **Reply #293 on:** July 13, 2011, 02:14:12 PM »

I feel like it does flow as one album. Load and Reload are definitely separate, Deliverance and Damnation were initially intended to be one album as well. But the key with those albums is they don't have any reprises between them. Mesmerize/Hypnotize starts and ends with Soldier Side. To me, that seals the deal. When I look at other double albums, I feel the same way. Disappear is a great closer to the first disc of Six Degrees, but it doesn't flow into the title track at all. To me, Attack feels like a natural, aggressive progression from Lost in Hollywood. I also swear I saw advertisements labeling Hypnotize as the second part of Mesmerize.

lateralus88 · « **Reply #294 on:** July 13, 2011, 02:20:23 PM »

Quote from: Ultimetalhead on July 13, 2011, 02:14:12 PM

I feel like it does flow as one album. Load and Reload are definitely separate, Deliverance and Damnation were initially intended to be one album as well. But the key with those albums is they don't have any reprises between them. Mesmerize/Hypnotize starts and ends with Soldier Side. To me, that seals the deal. When I look at other double albums, I feel the same way. Disappear is a great closer to the first disc of Six Degrees, but it doesn't flow into the title track at all. To me, Attack feels like a natural, aggressive progression from Lost in Hollywood. I also swear I saw advertisements labeling Hypnotize as the second part of Mesmerize.

I listen to the two albums back to back constantly, but I still don't feel like Attack sounds like a good transition between tracks, or flows together with Lost in Hollywood at all. I guess my ears must be broken, or I'm just not enough of a SoaD fan to hear it.

Gadough · « **Reply #295 on:** July 13, 2011, 02:37:38 PM »

I see what you mean Justin. To me though, both albums have their own unique feel. I don't know if it's the songwriting, production, or whatever, but both albums have separate identities for me.

Ultimetalhead · « **Reply #296 on:** July 13, 2011, 02:47:11 PM »

Quote from: Gadough on July 13, 2011, 02:37:38 PM

I see what you mean Justin. To me though, both albums have their own unique feel. I don't know if it's the songwriting, production, or whatever, but both albums have separate identities for me.

I've heard from a few sources that Daron wrote more on the Hypnotize side than Mesmerize (which would explain why it's the weaker of the two

), but it definitely feels like the same album to me. I don't notice much of a difference in the production.

And Wikipedia says it's a double album, so suck it.

Scard · « **Reply #297 on:** July 13, 2011, 04:07:49 PM »

I remember clearly when Mezmerize came out that it was a double album, with Hypnotize coming a little later.

Either way, I like Mezmerize better.

darkshade · « **Reply #298 on:** July 13, 2011, 04:16:37 PM »

Beardfish's Sleeping In Traffic albums part 1 & 2 are two separate albums, even though they have reprise themes within both albums.

lateralus88 · « **Reply #299 on:** July 13, 2011, 04:33:30 PM »

Steal This Album! is a concept album.

Gadough · « **Reply #300 on:** July 13, 2011, 04:41:49 PM »

About Daron's lifelong struggle with kleptomania. Yep.

Ultimetalhead · « **Reply #301 on:** July 13, 2011, 05:34:04 PM »

I'm amazed at all the resistance to this, honestly. I thought everyone loved double albums, and I always thought the Mesmerize/Hypnotize being companion pieces was commonly accepted.

lateralus88 · « **Reply #302 on:** July 13, 2011, 05:47:54 PM »

As cool as it is, it just doesn't FEEL like a double album to me.

Gadough · « **Reply #303 on:** July 13, 2011, 05:50:13 PM »

Well Justin, I do think they're companion pieces. But that doesn't make them the same album to me. I guess we're disagreeing because we have different definitions of what constitutes a "double album" versus "two companion albums".

Although admittedly, your Solider Side argument is pretty solid.

Aramatheis · « **Reply #304 on:** July 13, 2011, 05:52:49 PM »

Quote from: Ultimetalhead on July 13, 2011, 05:34:04 PM

I'm amazed at all the resistance to this, honestly. I thought everyone loved double albums, and I always thought the Mesmerize/Hypnotize being companion pieces was commonly accepted.

because Daron wrote the majority of Hypnotize, and because it's much weaker, and has a different feel from Mesmerize, everybody continues to think of them as separate albums, although everyone knows they were meant to be (and are) a double album.

Jamesman42 · « **Reply #305 on:** July 13, 2011, 05:57:10 PM »

It doesn't matter if it doesn't feel like a double album. They released it as such. I remember before it was ever released that they said they were releasing their new album in two parts.

Ultimetalhead · « **Reply #306 on:** July 13, 2011, 06:00:10 PM »

While Mezmerize is obviously superior, I don't think Hypnotize is "much weaker". I know people like to shit on Lonely Day, and Alex likes to shit on the title track, but I enjoy both songs quite a bit, and Holy Mountains is fucking

.

lateralus88 · « **Reply #307 on:** July 13, 2011, 06:01:32 PM »

Okay okay okay. Hold on. The title track has grown on me quite a bit over time.

Lonely Day is still awful and remains my "piss break" song when I saw them live.

Ultimetalhead · « **Reply #308 on:** July 13, 2011, 06:02:54 PM »

Oh, I thought you still hated it. My bad.

Lonely Day is still good though, and remains Daron's vocal highlight (mainly because he doesn't sound like a tortured animal on it).

Jamesman42 · « **Reply #309 on:** July 13, 2011, 06:03:08 PM »

Shitting on Hypnotize the song? Are you not mentally there? ALEX?!

lateralus88 · « **Reply #310 on:** July 13, 2011, 06:04:06 PM »

Quote from: Ultimetalhead on July 13, 2011, 06:02:54 PM

Lonely Day is still good though, and remains Daron's vocal highlight(mainly because he doesn't sound like a tortured animal on it).

lateralus88 · « **Reply #311 on:** July 13, 2011, 06:04:29 PM »

Quote from: Jamesman on July 13, 2011, 06:03:08 PM

Shitting on Hypnotize the song? Are you not mentally there? ALEX?!

I learned the errors of my ways. Do not fret.

Jamesman42 · « **Reply #312 on:** July 13, 2011, 06:05:15 PM »

Ok, good.

Lonely Day is a great song. Not very SOAD-ish though.

Aramatheis · « **Reply #313 on:** July 13, 2011, 06:30:16 PM »

Quote from: Ultimetalhead on July 13, 2011, 06:00:10 PM

While Mezmerize is obviously superior, I don't think Hypnotize is "much weaker". I know people like to shit on Lonely Day, and Alex likes to shit on the title track, but I enjoy both songs quite a bit, and Holy Mountains is fucking .

I just think that Mesmerize is so fantastically awesome that Hypnotize just doesn't compare.

But that doesn't mean I think Hypnotize is a bad. Quite the opposite, in fact. And you're correct. Holy Mountains is just pure fucking awesome, distilled to it's very essence.

edit: by the way, I will be starting the SOAD survivor sometime tomorrow afternoon (or perhaps even in the morning)
Would you guys prefer a "vote-out-the-least-favourite" or a Power game survivor?

Ultimetalhead · « **Reply #314 on:** July 13, 2011, 06:37:33 PM »

Least favorite. Easier for everyone involved.

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