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Re: Amendment 64 Passes: Colorado Legalizes Marijuana For Recreational Use
« Reply #280 on: February 05, 2014, 11:57:59 AM »


Wow... This is really good. Owned.

Steve Cohen: 'Ask The Late Philip Seymour Hoffman' If Pot Is As Dangerous As Heroin

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/04/steve-cohen-marijuana-heroin_n_4726794.html



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« Reply #281 on: February 05, 2014, 12:14:01 PM »
Honestly most of the schedule 1 drugs should be dropped down a notch or two, and several in schedule 2 should probably be moved up. Unfortunately, acid and other hallucinogens tend to scare the bejeezus out of people, so they'll never be re-scheduled.
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« Reply #282 on: February 06, 2014, 09:13:19 AM »
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Re: Amendment 64 Passes: Colorado Legalizes Marijuana For Recreational Use
« Reply #283 on: February 06, 2014, 09:55:34 AM »
I agree with basically all of that. However, I cut them slack on the date of 4/20 (fuck the referencing of 4:20 every day). Out where I live, we have an annual Brewfest (yes, that's what it's called) that sells about 10,000 tickets. If brew drinkers get a day to celebrate the substance they love, people that enjoy herb should get one too.

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« Reply #284 on: February 06, 2014, 10:00:48 AM »
420 is what the cops used to reference reefer smokers.

But I agree, I don't go around parading it. I really don't like wearing cannabis leaves, unless the design is pretty awesome or a subtle funny way of referencing.

Its the same as the flamboyant gay men. Alright your gay and proud, but you don't have to parade your pride, their are kids around.
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Re: Amendment 64 Passes: Colorado Legalizes Marijuana For Recreational Use
« Reply #285 on: February 06, 2014, 10:42:59 AM »
I can agree with all that. I smoke almost every day and by some accounts I could be labelled as a stoner or pothead. I don't really like being called those because of all the reasons in that picture. I don't really associate with the stoner culture and 420 and peace and love and leafs and crap. Id like to think people who see me and talk to me wouldn't think if me like that and I don't think they do. I'm also not a bum. Fuck bums. ;D

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« Reply #286 on: February 06, 2014, 10:56:29 AM »
420 is what the cops used to reference reefer smokers.
That's actually a myth. The origin of 420 is murky, but the CW is that some kids used to meet up every day at 4:20 to get high after school.
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« Reply #287 on: February 06, 2014, 11:00:36 AM »
420 is what the cops used to reference reefer smokers.
That's actually a myth. The origin of 420 is murky, but the CW is that some kids used to meet up every day at 4:20 to get high after school.

I heard decades ago that it was somehow determined that more pot is smoked at 4:20pm than at any other time during the day.  Urban myth obviously.
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« Reply #288 on: February 06, 2014, 12:08:01 PM »
I imagine some of the "420 culture" would go away if it were to be legalized. In my experience, part of that culture is about it  being counter-culture and rebellious. Take that away, and it loses it's "cool" factor. Which is sadly what a lot of those stoners think it means.


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« Reply #289 on: February 06, 2014, 12:32:03 PM »
I imagine some of the "420 culture" would go away if it were to be legalized. In my experience, part of that culture is about it  being counter-culture and rebellious. Take that away, and it loses it's "cool" factor. Which is sadly what a lot of those stoners think it means.

I completely agree. 

It's kind of like how drinking wasn't as fun once I turned 21.  Granted, I was never the rebellious type, but there was something fun about hanging out with your buddies at 18 and 19 and drinking all night, when you know you aren't legally allowed to.  Part of is the age factor (that stuff is more fun at 18 than 22, for one), sure, but part of it was definitely the cool factor of it not being accepted legally.

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« Reply #290 on: February 06, 2014, 01:09:02 PM »
420 has become such an overused joke now. Tumblr is full of teenaged girls that don't smoke that say "420 blaze it" at every chance they can get. It's meaningless now.

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Very interesting.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10847438/FBI-struggles-to-find-pot-free-hackers.html

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The FBI is struggling to recruit bright young computer programmers because of their fondness for cannabis, according to the bureau's director.
Under current rules the FBI cannot hire anyone who has smoked marijuana in the last three years - a policy that rules out many of the best recent graduates.

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Thats kind of funny and very sad. If these guys are so bright, clearly marijuana hasnt stopped them from continuing beung bright.

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Going on 40 years for me, and I've been told by many people over the years, including multiple bosses, that I'm one of the best programmers they've ever seen.  Fuck the FBI and their rules.  "Don't ask, don't tell" seems a much more reasonable policy.

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Thats kind of funny and very sad. If these guys are so bright, clearly marijuana hasnt stopped them from continuing beung bright.

I don't know, Carl Sagan, Bill Gates, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama all smoked pot. And we all know how much of lazy fuck ups those people were. Clearly, smoking weed makes you lazy and unintelligent. We should all drink booze, which does nothing but gets you laid and makes you just generally awesome.

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Thats kind of funny and very sad. If these guys are so bright, clearly marijuana hasnt stopped them from continuing beung bright.

I don't know, Carl Sagan, Bill Gates, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama all smoked pot. And we all know how much of lazy fuck ups those people were. Clearly, smoking weed makes you lazy and unintelligent. We should all drink booze, which does nothing but gets you laid and makes you just generally awesome.

I think you misunderstood my point or maybe I worded it unclearly. I was trying to saying that smoking pot hasnt made bright people dumb.

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Re: Amendment 64 Passes: Colorado Legalizes Marijuana For Recreational Use
« Reply #297 on: July 16, 2014, 09:15:32 PM »
Well our government seems to be doing something right, ball is rolling for the banks to deal with marijuana businesses

House votes to let banks work with the marijuana industry

https://fortune.com/2014/07/16/house-votes-banks-marijuana/

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« Reply #298 on: July 16, 2014, 09:44:17 PM »
Well our government seems to be doing something right, ball is rolling for the banks to deal with marijuana businesses

House votes to let banks work with the marijuana industry

https://fortune.com/2014/07/16/house-votes-banks-marijuana/

First off, here's the link properly formatted:House votes to let banks work with the marijuana industry

As for the article, while I'm happy they're actually trying to do something, I'm not sure it'll have much effect on reigning in on Herr Holder's DOJ. I posted a link in some thread here about how they were using banks to harass titty-dancers, head shop owners, pornstars and all sorts of other legal but undesirable characters. These are all legal businesses that the banks are allowed to do business with, but those banks are being pressured to weed out customers who represent a "reputation risk." As I understand it, the threat is basically that if you allow such people to do business with your bank, we might start looking at all of your clients in much greater detail, which means lots of subpoenas and paperwork and research for you to deal with. Particularly with people who tend to deal mostly with cash. It's easier for the banks to just send Jasmine, Sapphire and Diamond off to some other bank.

Operation Choke Point is the badgering in question, by the way.
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Re: Amendment 64 Passes: Colorado Legalizes Marijuana For Recreational Use
« Reply #299 on: July 17, 2014, 06:01:38 AM »
Thanks for that correction, posted right before I fell asleep...

Yea, I agree with what you are saying.  I think over time though, the marijuana business wont be looked at the same way as the other undesirables and I think thats because of the large amount of money that these banks will be able to make by doing business with them.  Once the legislation fully goes through and more states start legalizing, I think this issue will slowly go away.  To me, this is just the first step to getting this process going.

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« Reply #300 on: July 17, 2014, 07:46:15 AM »
I think we will see marijuana legalization (or at the very least, decriminalization) start to spread with a rapidity similar to the wave of gay marriage acceptance.  In fact, it should go faster.
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« Reply #301 on: July 17, 2014, 08:11:27 AM »
I think we will see marijuana legalization (or at the very least, decriminalization) start to spread with a rapidity similar to the wave of gay marriage acceptance.  In fact, it should go faster.

It will go much faster due to the economic impact. Nothing pushes legislation faster than the potential to generate more tax revenue.

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« Reply #302 on: August 26, 2014, 01:16:01 PM »
I think we will see marijuana legalization (or at the very least, decriminalization) start to spread with a rapidity similar to the wave of gay marriage acceptance.  In fact, it should go faster.

It will go much faster due to the economic impact. Nothing pushes legislation faster than the potential to generate more tax revenue.


Some friends of mine are trying to become the owners of one of 11 dispensary licenses that are going to be issued in MA.  The stated goal of the MA law is to put a dispensary "within 30 miles or less" of every resident in the commonwealth.


The law was passed in November 2012, but they've yet to get a single dispensary up and running here. 


Getting a "card" so you can legally cultivate/harvest/use cannabis is pretty easy, though.  There are licensed "caregivers" all over the place who will hook you up with the paperwork you need to legally cultivate/harvest/use cannabis.  It's $220 to acquire the card, then another $80 about six months after you acquire the card, then a "nominal fee" to maintain your compliance annually.


And it's only for  ::)  "medical" ::)


Now look, I think it's silly that pot is still illegal in some places, but this whole "Medical" thing is ridiculous.  Everyone knows that 99% of the applicants for "medical" use are people who just want to smoke weed legally.  It's silly that we, as a society, have to put ourselves through charades like this one.  For what?  So the "morality police" won't be offended?   





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« Reply #303 on: August 26, 2014, 02:01:22 PM »
The morality police are offended anyway; they think marijuana shouldn't be legal under any circumstances, and know that the whole "medical marijuana" deal is just a way to get it out there legally.  But they're losing, slowly.

I see it as a stepping stone.  We have some states now where it's completely legal, and it appears to be sticking.  Others are following suit.  Some states can't make that jump, though, so they're playing the "medical marijuana" game first.  If they can get that going, get some people used to the idea that it's actually out there and crime didn't suddenly go up and children aren't being born with three heads or whatever the fuck they're all worried about, then public attitudes will slowly swing around and it will eventually get legalized there, too.  Or maybe they'll need to "decriminalize" it first, then legalize it down the road.  Baby steps, but forward steps nonetheless.

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« Reply #304 on: August 26, 2014, 02:12:08 PM »
Yea, its definitely become the stepping stone to outright legalization.

And I dont understand morals with regard to marijuana.  My mother smoked when she was young and then stopped for like 30 years until my siblings all got older and then we all smoked together as a family a few times and then suddenly my mother said she felt morally wrong and wont do it again.  I cant get a real answer out of her of what is morally wrong with it.  I guess breaking a law could make someone feel that way, but I dont know, I just dont see how morals play a role here.

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« Reply #305 on: August 26, 2014, 02:19:40 PM »
It's stupid that they make you jump through hoops, but at the same time I think all of the "medical" excuses they come up with are valid. For fuck's sake, if your podiatrist can prescribe Zoloft or Xanax for you, I see no reason why some other Dr. can't prescribe some good but that might very well work better than the former. If it helps you sleep, relax, relieve pain or enjoy shitty movies then I'd consider that a medical benefit.

Furthermore, the results from this approach tend to be much, much better for the average doper than the legalization route. Buy a card, grow a plant in your closet, smoke up, sell your excess to a dispensary and consider yourself damned fortunate. Those people in Colorado are paying out the ass for their bud all for the sake of it being "legal."
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« Reply #306 on: August 26, 2014, 03:14:45 PM »
I think I saw somewhere that prices will go down once supply meets demand.  But the prices I saw are pretty consistent with prices I have seen on the streets in the north east.

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« Reply #307 on: August 26, 2014, 09:09:42 PM »
It's stupid that they make you jump through hoops, but at the same time I think all of the "medical" excuses they come up with are valid. For fuck's sake, if your podiatrist can prescribe Zoloft or Xanax for you, I see no reason why some other Dr. can't prescribe some good but that might very well work better than the former. If it helps you sleep, relax, relieve pain or enjoy shitty movies then I'd consider that a medical benefit.
I've never smoked weed, but personally, I'd rather ingest or smoke some weed than take something like Zoloft or Xanax. Weed may not be 100% healthy for you but you'd have to be fucking high to argue that it's worse than many of the prescription drugs already on the market.

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« Reply #308 on: August 26, 2014, 10:05:29 PM »
I think I saw somewhere that prices will go down once supply meets demand.  But the prices I saw are pretty consistent with prices I have seen on the streets in the north east.
Is there still a shortage? I was thinking they were in surplus now.

Seeing all sorts of interesting things with Colorado. For one thing, lots of people are still favoring the medicinal side. Once you get your card it's just easier to deal with I reckon. I suspect the recreational side is for the tourists. They're also seeing a huge black market and some interesting "gray market" types of deals. I've also heard that while they're coming up with some great strains up there, they're also absolutely chock full of chemicals. They're having to use a ton of nutrients and pesticides to meet demand and it's showing in their bud. What it's doing for the rest of the country is quite good, though. We're seeing more and more people using hash oil of one sort or another, and more people eating it for the different high. Hell, NY's sham medicinal program won't allow any smoking at all; only vaping and eating. This is a welcome development in my book.
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« Reply #309 on: August 27, 2014, 06:38:21 AM »
I was reading yesterday (I don't want to search for a link on my work machine) that was stating that the states with medicinal marijuana have shown a notable decrease in overdoses on prescription medication.
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« Reply #310 on: August 27, 2014, 07:23:39 AM »
I was reading yesterday (I don't want to search for a link on my work machine) that was stating that the states with medicinal marijuana have shown a notable decrease in overdoses on prescription medication.

Wow, thats really good to hear.


And, I dont know if there are still shortages, I feel like I read that about a month ago along with stuff about the black market in the legal states.  I guess if price is the problem, then its probably more cost effective to just grow your own.

Also, I have had some edibles recently and I agree that there is a lot of positives to go that route instead of smoke.  For one, I think it is definitely better for people using it for medical reasons because it makes your whole body relaxed compared to getting a good head high from smoking and it also lasts longer and is obviously healthier way to use it.  Only problem with the edibles is they are even more expensive.

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« Reply #311 on: August 27, 2014, 07:52:09 AM »
Edibles are super easy to make. I don't understand why anyone buys them when regular herb is an option. Just make your own  :tup

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« Reply #312 on: August 27, 2014, 08:10:50 AM »
I thought they were a PITA. Also fairly expensive since nobody's going to make one brownie. The other thing is that it's much harder to regulate (end user side, that is). You eat one item and then 15-45 minutes later gauge what effect it had on you. I have no idea what the retail price is, but I can see how it might well be worth it.
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« Reply #313 on: August 27, 2014, 08:33:31 AM »
I thought they were a PITA. Also fairly expensive since nobody's going to make one brownie. The other thing is that it's much harder to regulate (end user side, that is). You eat one item and then 15-45 minutes later gauge what effect it had on you. I have no idea what the retail price is, but I can see how it might well be worth it.

It'd take some trial and error, but I wouldn't waste my time making brownies that could go bad if I didn't eat them fast enough. I'd make hard candies or chocolates.

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« Reply #314 on: August 27, 2014, 08:46:50 AM »
I thought they were a PITA. Also fairly expensive since nobody's going to make one brownie. The other thing is that it's much harder to regulate (end user side, that is). You eat one item and then 15-45 minutes later gauge what effect it had on you. I have no idea what the retail price is, but I can see how it might well be worth it.

It'd take some trial and error, but I wouldn't waste my time making brownies that could go bad if I didn't eat them fast enough. I'd make hard candies or chocolates.

Which sounds even more difficult to make.  Ive eaten what would be equivalent to a tootsie roll and its 30 dollars and cut it into 1/3rds or 1/4ths based on your tolerance.