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Re: Amendment 64 Passes: Colorado Legalizes Marijuana For Recreational Use
« Reply #1260 on: June 27, 2019, 02:49:39 PM »
I'm convinced that the reason my stepbrother smokes is the social aspect and coolness of it. He likes to be the guy sitting alone on a bar patio drinking whisky, smoking a camel, and reading a book like Papa Hemingway. To be fair it really is a pretty good look for the guy, but probably not worth it in the long run.
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« Reply #1261 on: June 27, 2019, 02:53:31 PM »
Few things cooler than pointing at somebody with a cigarette in your hand.   (And for the record, my mental picture of Dave from Manchester always has a cigarette in it.  Not that I'm carrying a mental picture of Dave from Manchester in... ah forget it.)

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« Reply #1262 on: June 27, 2019, 03:01:37 PM »
Big ol fat stogie fits that aesthetic 1000x more, IMO.

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« Reply #1263 on: June 27, 2019, 04:16:48 PM »
I'm one of the lucky ones.  I've flirted with smoking cigarettes off and on throughout my life and I've never once had any problem stopping when I wanted to.  And I mostly only smoked when I was out drinking with friends anyway.  But in the past few years, even when given the opportunity to take a drag of someone's cig at a party I come away thinking it is the most disgusting thing ever.  I enjoy NOTHING about it now.  I can't believe I ever thought it was enjoyable TBH.  I guess that's a good thing but it is shocking to me sometimes how much our tastes can change about the things we enjoy like food and drink.

Another example are these hard seltzers that seem to be gaining in popularity with millennials.  They just remind me of wine coolers I used to drink and enjoy back in college.  Barf-o-rama.   :-X

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« Reply #1264 on: June 27, 2019, 04:32:45 PM »
I'm one of the lucky ones.  I've flirted with smoking cigarettes off and on throughout my life and I've never once had any problem stopping when I wanted to.  And I mostly only smoked when I was out drinking with friends anyway.  But in the past few years, even when given the opportunity to take a drag of someone's cig at a party I come away thinking it is the most disgusting thing ever.  I enjoy NOTHING about it now.  I can't believe I ever thought it was enjoyable TBH.  I guess that's a good thing but it is shocking to me sometimes how much our tastes can change about the things we enjoy like food and drink.

Another example are these hard seltzers that seem to be gaining in popularity with millennials.  They just remind me of wine coolers I used to drink and enjoy back in college.  Barf-o-rama.   :-X
I saw the other day that Zima seems to be making a comeback.  :lol
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« Reply #1265 on: June 27, 2019, 06:55:47 PM »
I've had Truly's because one festival only sold that or cider and I can only take one or two ciders.  It was actually pretty decent, but if I am going that route, I'd rather my standard vodka club that I enjoy.

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« Reply #1266 on: June 27, 2019, 07:43:54 PM »
I am sorry to say my first experience drinking an adult beverage (aside from the times my parents would give me a sip of something) was a Zima.

I never smoked (other than a few times to realize how disgusting it is). And I never got the "coolness" factor of it. But then, I was never cool.
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« Reply #1267 on: June 27, 2019, 07:51:09 PM »
And I'm pleased to say that I've never even tried Zima. Always seemed like a pretty awful idea to me. We had Boones Farm and that was plenty good enough for us.
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« Reply #1269 on: June 27, 2019, 08:09:50 PM »
Few things cooler than pointing at somebody with a cigarette in your hand.   (And for the record, my mental picture of Dave from Manchester always has a cigarette in it.  Not that I'm carrying a mental picture of Dave from Manchester in... ah forget it.)

I uh... strangely agree with this entire post.
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« Reply #1270 on: June 27, 2019, 08:50:56 PM »
And I'm pleased to say that I've never even tried Zima. 

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« Reply #1271 on: June 27, 2019, 09:21:09 PM »
We had Boones Farm and that was plenty good enough for us.

Oh man this is a true trip down memory lane! One of my first drunken make-outs was with a gal drinking Boones.
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« Reply #1272 on: June 27, 2019, 09:43:34 PM »
Y'all are making me cringe.  I opted for a glass of bourbon barrel stout during the debate and have now switched to the smoooooooothest Kentucky sour mash bourbon I've ever tasted.   :heart

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« Reply #1273 on: June 28, 2019, 11:31:25 AM »
This is getting out of hand pretty quick.

I'm an advocate for the legalization of all drugs.  I never have called for "selling hard drugs commercially". 

It can take a book to cover all the nuances and intricacies, but the underlying point I'm trying to make here is that criminalization and deprivation is not working.   That's the essence of the "War On Drugs".   It is dependent on the drug.  Obviously, weed is akin to alcohol, and we can allow for a more commercial type distribution network, and can (hopefully) manage those cases where it gets abused or misused.

For other drugs, the distribution channel is or can be different.  No, I don't think you should be able to walk into Stop and Shop and buy a quarter pound of China White.   But I think there is a way of making it available to people who simply cannot shake the addiction so that they aren't buying heavily cut, heavily laced product from a guy who knows a guy.   In some cases the "price" for that would be treatment.  Or in house care.  I leave those details to the professionals.   

But at some point we need to make a choice, painful or heartbreaking as it may be.   My logic is thus: 
- we're never going to reduce the deaths to ZERO, we can only hope to minimize them;
- the odds of a death from any one hard drug is less in a controlled environment than in a wild-west environment, where strengths and purities are in the hands of people that wouldn't know a joule from a jewel from a Juul, let alone the chemistry necessary to make safe, effective, stable intoxicants;
- with the controlled environment comes a reduction in the incentives to get other people addicted and to market compromised product;
- with that, comes a reduction - not a total elimination but at least a reduction - of all the ancillary bad behavior that comes from that, including mass incarceration for what are otherwise treatable conditions.

Stadler, we don't often agree, but we're totally on the same page here.  I think this is a great post.  And with that, I think treatment for heroin needs to be overhauled - and maybe it is, as it's been a while since I've read up on it.  But I recall that most treatment was abstinence based, and the science shows that doesn't work for heroin the way it does for alcoholism.

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Re: Amendment 64 Passes: Colorado Legalizes Marijuana For Recreational Use
« Reply #1274 on: June 28, 2019, 11:54:07 AM »
But I recall that most treatment was abstinence based, and the science shows that doesn't work for heroin the way it does for alcoholism.

Interesting, I understand the withdrawals are different but didn't know that abstinence may not be the best way.  Either way, we have an opioid issue in this country.  It's pretty bad where I live.  I don't have solutions to this problem, but definitely think finding more ways for treatment is a good start.  It's just really really hard to get a heroin addict off.  My brother in law was one so I know it's possible, it's really the will of the person most times vs the treatment though so we could throw all the resources to treating someone but if they don't want it, it will never work and that's the problem with this drug. 

And having said all that, I believe also in full legalization and over sight for the reasons Stadler listed.  I don't typically champion this cause because most people will immediately think I'm a loon for saying heroin should be legal but I think there's benefits to doing it that will make it safer for the people who end up going down that path. 

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« Reply #1275 on: June 28, 2019, 12:29:41 PM »
From what I've read, the science shows that it's brain chemistry, and not something like "will power," when it comes to heroin.  The longer you've been on it, the worse it is and the longer for your brain to heal and return to normal.  The statistics for people recovering with just abstinence were pretty abysmal - they seem to do OK in a controlled environment where they have no access to heroin, but once out, it's extremely difficult for them.  Many overdose within a few weeks of treatment ending.  Much more success has been achieved with treatment with methadone or suboxone, in combination with long term therapy - not just a 30 day rehab stint then you're done.  Patients might have to be treated with suboxone for quite some time, but taking too much of it won't help them to get high, so it's a good way to help them while their brain heals from the heroin abuse.  (In a nutshell, it's of course more technical than that).  But most treatment facilities don't include those drugs in their program, some even on moral objections, as if it's some kind of moral failure for the patient to do anything but make it on just will power alone. :(

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« Reply #1276 on: June 28, 2019, 12:35:43 PM »
Well fixing a drug issue with another drug I figure is the reason why some don't go that route.  I just always thought it was a "will" type of thing from what I've seen and learned, but if science shows there's more to it then thats cool and should be embraced. 

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