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Extra $600.00 per week!
« on: April 28, 2020, 08:11:10 AM »
I need someone smarter than me to make logical sense of this...

This great state of Connecticut just deposited an extra $600 into my back account this morning in addition to my unemployment compensation bringing my new weekly earnings to more than my full time paycheck when I was working full time. They will be doing this for I believe 3 or 4 months.
I'm not going to complain if they want to pay me for than my job did but how does this make sense?
The poor worker risking there life working in a supermarket for $400 a week gets nothing but the honor of being part of the work force?
I can't make sense of it?

I don't even dare to say this on social media for fear of the outrage it will cause. It could go viral and it would get ugly.

So this is my safe haven to even discuss this topic.

6th week out of work...
So I have not been on really since I was laid off.
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« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2020, 08:27:30 AM »
The New York Times had a big write up on that. It's a good read. I'm going to post the whole article in case it's behind a pay for anyone, but I'll bold the parts that I find the most interesting and credible reasons for the extra $600. I agree it's not the ideal way, but it makes sense given the circumstances. We simply don't have a system/piece of software in place that can handle making an additional unemployment payment based on a number of factors that haven't even been agreed upon yet. Doing something like that on a national scale in a matter of weeks is just not possible.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/23/business/economy/unemployment-benefits-stimulus-coronavirus.html

The $600 Unemployment Booster Shot, State by State
By Ella KoezeApril 23, 2020

Before the coronavirus, people receiving unemployment benefits in most states got, on average, less than half their weekly salaries.

Now, as millions file claims, many are poised to receive more money than they would have typically earned in their jobs, thanks to the additional $600 a week set aside in the federal stimulus package for the unemployed.

That calculation is based on an analysis of the so-called replacement rate, which is the share of a worker’s wages that is replaced by unemployment benefits.


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Replacement rates for each state are determined by dividing the average unemployment payment by the average 40-hour-a-week salary of those who receive unemployment benefits. Ernie Tedeschi, a former Treasury Department official and an economist at Evercore ISI Research, combined the new stimulus relief with each state’s average unemployment payment at the end of 2019 to estimate how much their replacement rates would increase.

The Massachusetts replacement rate will increase the smallest amount, he found, though it still doubles. Mississippi will have an 88 percentage-point jump, meaning workers there earning an average wage will make roughly $130 more in benefits.

These estimates, which reflect what tens of thousands of people around the country may now receive, come with caveats.

As large portions of the economy remain closed because of the outbreak, rendering more than 26 million people without jobs in a matter of weeks, no one knows for sure how wages and benefits for those receiving unemployment might change as more people enter the ranks.

A provision of the stimulus package, for example, allows part-time and self-employed workers who would normally not qualify for unemployment to receive benefits. That will alter the makeup of the typical pool of people filing claims, not to mention the average benefit paid out.

The ultimate depth of the economic fallout from the virus remains unclear, as is the question of how long the government will be able to provide extra money to help workers who lost their jobs. And just because someone qualifies for unemployment doesn’t mean they will receive it quickly.

Why $600 a week?
When you add $600 to the national average unemployment payment — $371.88 a week at the end of 2019 — the replacement rate goes from 38 percent to almost exactly 100 percent. In other words, that amount is what it would take for Congress to replace what the average American worker receiving unemployment would have earned.

“I would never two months ago have ever thought of advocating for 100 percent income replacement,” said Michele Evermore, a senior policy analyst at the National Employment Law Project. “But then when the pandemic hit, it was very different. We needed a policy mechanism to do something that unemployment insurance doesn’t usually do, and that’s keep people home.”

Unemployment benefits are typically meant to keep people afloat but stay low enough to incentivize them to find a job. Now, when seeking work may be both fruitless and dangerous, the incentives have nearly reversed.


But if the goal is to replace everyone’s wages, why not do it in a manner similar to how other countries are paying large percentages of worker salaries to prevent layoffs? While state unemployment systems are revealing their lack of preparedness for a crisis of this scale, the United States didn’t have many options that already existed to quickly get money to the people who will need it, according to Ms. Evermore. “The unemployment insurance system is the system we have,” she said.

And a $600 flat amount, rather than one relative to each person’s income, on top of a state’s usual benefits, is perhaps the simplest possible policy to enact. “State programs are already crashing just under the weight of new claims,” Ms. Evermore said. “To have them have to reprogram their computers to recalculate how benefits are paid would be completely disastrous.”


The extra money will provide an uneven benefit
While an extra $600 a week is enough to replace 100 percent of the average national income, the added benefit will differ depending on where people are and what they typically earn. Ms. Evermore described it as “swinging an ax to hit an ant.”

A person who earns close to the average weekly wage will roughly get their salary replaced on unemployment, but low-wage workers who lose their jobs are more likely to end up making greater amounts than they were before.

These workers, many of whom work in hard-hit industries like restaurants and retailing, are also those who are more likely to be in urgent need of cash to pay for necessities. However, because minimum and maximum amounts of unemployment benefits vary by state, the proportion of people whose benefits could exceed their normal salaries will be vastly different by state.

Just over half of workers in Arizona, which had a relatively high minimum benefit of $172 before the crisis, are estimated to make more on unemployment than if they were still working, according to Noah Williams, the director of Center for Research on the Wisconsin Economy at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.

Smaller shares of workers stand to gain as much from unemployment benefits in other states, he found. Other factors, like the cost of living, will affect how far an extra $600 a week will stretch


Despite the additional benefits, many people who qualify for unemployment have been stuck waiting to receive money as state systems struggle to process the sheer number of new claims. And as of now, the $600 weekly additional payments will expire at the end of July. Congress may opt to extend the deadline in a further stimulus bill if it seems that the economy is still struggling badly, though the cost of extending will add to the already high price tag of the policy.

States are paying their usual benefits while the funds for the $600 payments, as well as other unemployment benefits in the stimulus including expanding who will qualify and extending the duration by 13 weeks through the end of 2020, are provided by the federal government. As millions of people apply, the cost for both states and the federal government is enormous.

But Mr. Tedeschi said the $600-a-week policy, along with other relief measures that put cash directly in Americans’ pockets, like $1,200 payments for individuals and loans for businesses to keep staff on payroll, demonstrated a real commitment by the federal government to try to keep Americans afloat.

“Not only is it bold,” he said, “but in principle — we can argue about implementation — but in principle it’s actually bolder than what a lot of other advanced economies have done.”

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Re: Extra $600.00 per week!
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2020, 08:34:55 AM »
Sidebar, maybe I don't understand how this works, but if Amazon can tell that I searched an Asia album last week and now can send me reminders for every Wetton/Downes and King Crimson album ever put out, you'd think that there could be an algorithm patched into state computer systems to do simple multiplication on people's earnings.

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« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2020, 08:45:12 AM »
Sidebar, maybe I don't understand how this works, but if Amazon can tell that I searched an Asia album last week and now can send me reminders for every Wetton/Downes and King Crimson album ever put out, you'd think that there could be an algorithm patched into state computer systems to do simple multiplication on people's earnings.

That's just not how computer systems and databases work. First off, the state systems are still running on the machines and code that my father helped build in the 80s. I'm not sure about the national level, but I wouldn't be surprised. Amazon is on all relatively new tech. Secondly, software doesn't really work that way, especially when trying to merge modern data warehouses like what Amazon uses with a legacy system that a fossil like the Fed uses. Amazon's software has been strategically built from the ground up with that one single mission in mind for the last 15 years. There's nothing that would seamlessly or even easily integrate into anything the government uses. I'm sure the government is using AWS in some capacity, but any integration beyond that point isn't really possible without their being prior intent of that being the case. Amazon could probably leverage similar logic to what they use for their shopping algorithms, but they'd still have to build something from scratch to work with the federal system, which would then in turn need to talk to the individual systems the states use. I'm not saying it's not possible, but it's not something you can just decide to do in a week. That'd realistically take 3-6 months at a minimum if it was all hands on deck. There are so many security and legal protocols that'd have to be sorted as well.

I know it sounds simple, and as a standalone math equation, it kind of is. But computer systems are funky places.

Remember the disastrous roll out of the ACA website? That's what happens when you try to speed build and merge systems that were built independently of one another over decades with no design conventions of any kind. 
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Re: Extra $600.00 per week!
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2020, 08:45:41 AM »
I just feel like the people without a job are being handsomely rewarded while the people stuck working with a bunch of lunatic ungrateful costumers at Stop & Shop get nothing.
Unless that question can adequately be explained to me the whole thing makes no sense. Why would I even want to go back to work full time at the moment to bring less money into my household?
Why does the full time worker getting paid 4 or 500 dollars a week want to work knowing they are getting fucked up the ass?
That article did nothing to make me understand the big picture.  Give the Stop & Shop worker an extra 600 a week. Those poor workers in many cases are paying for day care with there small paycheck because there kids are not even in school and can’t be left home alone.

Makes... no... sense...
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« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2020, 08:59:32 AM »
Chino, thanks for the explanation.  I think I intuitively knew some of that, but it's all sort of out of my wheelhouse, so thank you.  Followup question, though:  is it a reasonable thing to allocate a couple billion and a year or so to systematically do that integration proactively?   Sort of metaphorically "pre-wire the house" for the next time?  Kind of like building a road with four lanes when you only - now - need three, to accommodate future growth?

Another also unrelated sidebar:    it's a common argument for welfare systems that they are inherently temporary, because people "want" to work, and pride - or other intangible emotional responses - will prod people to move off the dole and into the work force as a matter of human nature.   Now, I recognize that "COVID" brings an added level of risk here that will influence decision-making, but are we really seeing that dynamic in practice? 

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« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2020, 09:18:09 AM »
Chino, thanks for the explanation.  I think I intuitively knew some of that, but it's all sort of out of my wheelhouse, so thank you.  Followup question, though:  is it a reasonable thing to allocate a couple billion and a year or so to systematically do that integration proactively?   Sort of metaphorically "pre-wire the house" for the next time?  Kind of like building a road with four lanes when you only - now - need three, to accommodate future growth?


100%. That's something every world government should be doing. It'd cost a fuck ton up front, but if you were able to quantify the amount of money that gets pissed away every year simply due to outdated tech and not having system standards across state lines, you'd puke. My best bud works for the state and they (child welfare mostly), and they have terminals to input data on that still have floppy drives in them.

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Re: Extra $600.00 per week!
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2020, 09:43:21 AM »
I just feel like the people without a job are being handsomely rewarded while the people stuck working with a bunch of lunatic ungrateful costumers at Stop & Shop get nothing.
Unless that question can adequately be explained to me the whole thing makes no sense. Why would I even want to go back to work full time at the moment to bring less money into my household?
Why does the full time worker getting paid 4 or 500 dollars a week want to work knowing they are getting fucked up the ass?
That article did nothing to make me understand the big picture.  Give the Stop & Shop worker an extra 600 a week. Those poor workers in many cases are paying for day care with there small paycheck because there kids are not even in school and can’t be left home alone.

Makes... no... sense...

I'm not sure if this is in every state....but....if 'my' salary were to be lowered even by $1 a year/hour I can file for the same benefits and get them WHILE still working. The way that language is in the stimulus package makes it so. It's crazy.

I have a buddy who's wife was furlowed for three months and she's making $300 a week/$1200 a month more with the relief than when she was working. I  have another buddy who runs a factory that produces three ring binders and mass print catalogs etc etc   He had to furlow his workers. His president sent them all Facebook and private messages detailing their road back to working and gave a date that was in the next few weeks and all the workers told them they weren't returning to work until their benefits ran out. They're all making more money sitting at home. It's insane. And this is going on all over the place.



If I were still a conspiracy theorist I'd say this was all a ploy to get the population even more dependent on the government to finally push us over the edge to total socialism/communism. I don't think it was intentional to get to that outcome but sitting at home having the government do everything for you seems real nice to a lot of people right now. I get it's due to hardship and what not but 'conditioning' can start to set in after a certain point.
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Re: Extra $600.00 per week!
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2020, 10:26:09 AM »
I just feel like the people without a job are being handsomely rewarded while the people stuck working with a bunch of lunatic ungrateful costumers at Stop & Shop get nothing.
Unless that question can adequately be explained to me the whole thing makes no sense. Why would I even want to go back to work full time at the moment to bring less money into my household?
Why does the full time worker getting paid 4 or 500 dollars a week want to work knowing they are getting fucked up the ass?
That article did nothing to make me understand the big picture.  Give the Stop & Shop worker an extra 600 a week. Those poor workers in many cases are paying for day care with there small paycheck because there kids are not even in school and can’t be left home alone.

Makes... no... sense...
I'm not saying I agree with it, but it does make sense in a couple of ways. People aren't being rewarded for being out of work, per se. They're being compensated for losing their source of income. It's a strange but necessary distinction. Moreover, there's also the fact that for the people still working, nothing has changed. Presumably they're getting by on the money they were already making. They're far more likely to be able to make ends meet than the guy who who has mortgage and car payments and suddenly can't afford it. The consequences of not giving the poor workers added money are nil. The consequences of not giving the recently laid off workers more money are a slew of foreclosures and repossessions.
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Re: Extra $600.00 per week!
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2020, 11:01:18 AM »
I am one of these people. I am making anywhere between $275-300/month being furloughed than I was working (my weekly pay check varies based on hours worked). I do not see the logic in it at all. I do appreciate the discussion about the antiquated hardware/software at the state/local levels.

I know there are stories cropping up like Gary posted of workers opting to stay at home till their benefits expire, but I know in my state (as I assume in others), if you refuse an offer to work you can be denied benefits. So I don't see how that is a viable option.
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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2020, 11:04:51 AM »
I think assigning motivation to those workers is a little bit unfair.  People are justified in being afraid of going back to work.

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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2020, 11:53:53 AM »
I know in my state (as I assume in others), if you refuse an offer to work you can be denied benefits. So I don't see how that is a viable option.
They simply lie about it. It's a yes or no check box in Minnesota. Unless companies somehow inform the unemployment agency in their state that Bob Jones was offered a job, there's no way for anyone to know that Bob is choosing not to go back to work.

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« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2020, 12:09:41 PM »
I think assigning motivation to those workers is a little bit unfair.  People are justified in being afraid of going back to work.

Fair question, though:  people may be justified for being afraid, but does that mean we should be paying them?   I can see paying people to stay away if we - society - WANTS (or needs) them to stay away, but that's not the same thing. 

Personally, I don't think so.  I don't believe government should pay for my choices.   

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« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2020, 12:15:05 PM »
I know in my state (as I assume in others), if you refuse an offer to work you can be denied benefits. So I don't see how that is a viable option.
They simply lie about it. It's a yes or no check box in Minnesota. Unless companies somehow inform the unemployment agency in their state that Bob Jones was offered a job, there's no way for anyone to know that Bob is choosing not to go back to work.

Right same here, but the department will contact the employer, essentially to verify, so the employer can say "I offered Bob Jones a job, he refused." Now maybe they are not doing that now since they are so overwhelmed, but that's how it normally works.
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« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2020, 12:15:54 PM »
I think assigning motivation to those workers is a little bit unfair.  People are justified in being afraid of going back to work.

Fair question, though:  people may be justified for being afraid, but does that mean we should be paying them?   I can see paying people to stay away if we - society - WANTS (or needs) them to stay away, but that's not the same thing. 

Personally, I don't think so.  I don't believe government should pay for my choices.

For the time being yes I think it's a net positive to have as many people as possible able to afford to stay home.

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« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2020, 12:17:41 PM »
I think assigning motivation to those workers is a little bit unfair.  People are justified in being afraid of going back to work.

Fair question, though:  people may be justified for being afraid, but does that mean we should be paying them?   I can see paying people to stay away if we - society - WANTS (or needs) them to stay away, but that's not the same thing. 

Personally, I don't think so.  I don't believe government should pay for my choices.

For the time being yes I think it's a net positive to have as many people as possible able to afford to stay home.

I don't disagree; that's my guess why they just did a blanket 600 beans and not something more precise.   But if that's true, then it doesn't matter if they are afraid or not (and it shouldn't). 

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« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2020, 01:54:57 PM »
I imagine there is a segment of the population who are going to face the decision of going back to work or losing your job to someone who will. Many of us are expendable. I certainly am.
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« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2020, 02:45:10 PM »
If we end up not going bankrupt during this situation, by printing money as if it were wax paper, there will be a segment of the population who boldly declare, "We told you universal income was doable."

And maybe they have a point. In Washington, budget and deficit are meaningless, imaginary words.

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« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2020, 02:52:59 PM »
I would just kindly offer to that segment that "doable" and "sustainable" are not the same thing. 

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« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2020, 02:53:54 PM »
If we end up not going bankrupt during this situation, by printing money as if it were wax paper, there will be a segment of the population who boldly declare, "We told you universal income was doable."

Well, if it comforts you at all, it's not like this has stopped us in the past.  I mean, just look at this for 10 seconds and try not to get dizzy. https://www.usdebtclock.org/

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« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2020, 03:31:52 PM »
If we end up not going bankrupt during this situation, by printing money as if it were wax paper, there will be a segment of the population who boldly declare, "We told you universal income was doable."

And maybe they have a point. In Washington, budget and deficit are meaningless, imaginary words.
People have been making the point that if we can pull 6 trillion dollars out of thin air on a moment's notice, perhaps 7 trillion over 10 years to guarantee health care for all isn't the financial death blow it's been made out to be.
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« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2020, 03:33:45 PM »
I can see your point Tick, and I wish there was some level of government hazard pay for those staying in the essential jobs. One thing I'd be curious of, is how many who aren't working have employers who are still covering their health insurance, and how many got dropped and have to go out of pocket now.

As to my situation, I'm making about 100/month more than my 40hr week wages, though I rarely work just 40 hours. Fortunately, my employer is still covering my insurance, but now that Gavin has extended CA's shelter to June 1st, who knows how long till the tech companies will go back, and I can go back to cooking for them.

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« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2020, 07:33:27 AM »
If we end up not going bankrupt during this situation, by printing money as if it were wax paper, there will be a segment of the population who boldly declare, "We told you universal income was doable."

And maybe they have a point. In Washington, budget and deficit are meaningless, imaginary words.
People have been making the point that if we can pull 6 trillion dollars out of thin air on a moment's notice, perhaps 7 trillion over 10 years to guarantee health care for all isn't the financial death blow it's been made out to be.

Those same people are also making a value judgment that perhaps not everyone shares.   By that same logic, if I can spend $100 to buy ground beef and toilet paper today while in quarantine, then I certainly should be able to spend $200 over the next year for...   and it depends what we fill in here.  If the answer is "medicine to make my child's quality of life better" or "that sweet new Beatles box set", it depends on how you value the longer term purchase.   There's also the time factor; if I put off one night out with the guys to afford the beef/TP, that's one thing, if I'm expected to forego the next year of nights out, that's another.   And finally, there's also the "who's footing the bill question".   The $6 trillion was almost entirely the U.S. government.  The $7 trillion included vengeance contributions from society and corporations as well.   

For me, someone who HAS been critical of the heath care spend, it's not about the money per se; it's about the amount of money being spent on a stop-gap vanity project.  If the ACA was single payer, it's a whole new ball of wax. 

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« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2020, 07:52:40 AM »
Is it even possible to get out of this debt and deficit we're in at this point?

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« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2020, 07:56:34 AM »
Is it even possible to get out of this debt and deficit we're in at this point?

Possible?  Sure.  It's POSSIBLE that I could go to the moon (12 men have done it already) and it's POSSIBLE that I could date Margot Robbie (12 men have done it already) but not very likely, and it would take a level of effort I'm not interested or incentivized to put in.  I think you could say the same thing about the debt/deficit.  :)

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« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2020, 07:59:41 AM »
My understanding is that big governments don’t really have to “get out of debt” the way regular people or small businesses have to.   They exist indefinitely in time.  Granted It’s absolutely necessary to budget things accurately and priorities can change over time. 

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« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2020, 08:03:00 AM »
So after almost no research, apparently an economist valued the entire country at around 23 trillion dollars, which...as it happens to be....is the current amount of debt we're in. I wonder if there could ever be a point where we're just purchased.
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Re: Extra $600.00 per week!
« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2020, 08:04:41 AM »
So after almost no research, apparently an economist valued the entire country at around 23 trillion dollars, which...as it happens to be....is the current amount of debt we're in. I wonder if there could ever be a point where we're just purchased.

Aren't the politicians bought and paid for already?
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Re: Extra $600.00 per week!
« Reply #28 on: April 29, 2020, 08:05:09 AM »
So after almost no research, apparently an economist valued the entire country at around 23 trillion dollars, which...as it happens to be....is the current amount of debt we're in. I wonder if there could ever be a point where we're just purchased.

Aren't the politicians bought and paid for already?

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Re: Extra $600.00 per week!
« Reply #29 on: April 29, 2020, 08:05:25 AM »
So after almost no research, apparently an economist valued the entire country at around 23 trillion dollars, which...as it happens to be....is the current amount of debt we're in. I wonder if there could ever be a point where we're just purchased.

Aren't the politicians bought and paid for already?

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Re: Extra $600.00 per week!
« Reply #30 on: April 29, 2020, 09:03:01 AM »
My understanding is that big governments don’t really have to “get out of debt” the way regular people or small businesses have to.   They exist indefinitely in time.  Granted It’s absolutely necessary to budget things accurately and priorities can change over time.

It can actually be rather misleading and uninformative to equate the economics of a country with the economics of an individual or a household.  They're often not at all the same thing.

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Re: Extra $600.00 per week!
« Reply #31 on: April 29, 2020, 09:20:17 AM »
If we end up not going bankrupt during this situation, by printing money as if it were wax paper, there will be a segment of the population who boldly declare, "We told you universal income was doable."

And maybe they have a point. In Washington, budget and deficit are meaningless, imaginary words.
People have been making the point that if we can pull 6 trillion dollars out of thin air on a moment's notice, perhaps 7 trillion over 10 years to guarantee health care for all isn't the financial death blow it's been made out to be.

Those same people are also making a value judgment that perhaps not everyone shares.   By that same logic, if I can spend $100 to buy ground beef and toilet paper today while in quarantine, then I certainly should be able to spend $200 over the next year for...   and it depends what we fill in here.  If the answer is "medicine to make my child's quality of life better" or "that sweet new Beatles box set", it depends on how you value the longer term purchase.   There's also the time factor; if I put off one night out with the guys to afford the beef/TP, that's one thing, if I'm expected to forego the next year of nights out, that's another.   And finally, there's also the "who's footing the bill question".   The $6 trillion was almost entirely the U.S. government.  The $7 trillion included vengeance contributions from society and corporations as well.   

For me, someone who HAS been critical of the heath care spend, it's not about the money per se; it's about the amount of money being spent on a stop-gap vanity project.  If the ACA was single payer, it's a whole new ball of wax.
I don't have much time to go into it, but the 7 trillion I referred to was Bernie's single payer project. Presumably ACA would be scrapped as a result.
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Re: Extra $600.00 per week!
« Reply #32 on: April 29, 2020, 10:13:37 AM »
My wife finally was eligible for unemployment in Minnesota. Only $200 a week, but it's better than nothing. Curious if the extra $600 will apply for her being self-employed.

UPDATE: Looks like she got the $600 in federal money for the last three weeks, plus the MN $200 for the last four weeks. That was a nice surprise in the bank account this morning. I honestly feel a little bit guilty. We don't need the money, but we have lost at least $3000 over the last 6 weeks or so. So I guess if the government is going to prevent people from working and travelling, and thus preventing them from needing our services, then I suppose the least they can do is pay us.
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