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Re: Political Humor
« Reply #2030 on: March 14, 2019, 12:07:24 PM »
Is the "young woman" remark supposed to refer to Warren or Ocasio-Cortez? I read it as Warren and the hilarity of it saved the whole comic. But she isn't exactly young. If she was referring to Ocasio-Cortez, it isn't funny.
It's funny if it's Warren but not AOC? Far out.

I think it is AOC and I found it funny as hell. It's the white girl's casual and acceptable racism that makes it work.
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« Reply #2031 on: March 14, 2019, 12:08:29 PM »
Is the "young woman" remark supposed to refer to Warren or Ocasio-Cortez? I read it as Warren and the hilarity of it saved the whole comic. But she isn't exactly young. If she was referring to Ocasio-Cortez, it isn't funny.

Why not?

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« Reply #2032 on: March 14, 2019, 12:13:54 PM »
Because, to use the language of the comic, while Ocasio-Cortez is a "colored" woman. Warren is a pretend "colored" woman. So the gal in the comic saw Warren as "colored" because that is how she portrays herself. I found that amusing.
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« Reply #2033 on: March 14, 2019, 12:18:20 PM »
Because, to use the language of the comic, while Ocasio-Cortez is a "colored" woman. Warren is a pretend "colored" woman. So the gal in the comic saw Warren as "colored" because that is how she portrays herself. I found that amusing.
Interesting take. I hadn't thought of that. I find the casual racism a lot funnier, though. Particularly in the context.
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« Reply #2034 on: March 14, 2019, 12:58:27 PM »
I frankly didn't get any of the rest of the cartoon.  Are they saying that the so-called "socialists" of 2019 aren't that bad compared to what was in place in America in the '50's?  (This is what I suspect).   Are they saying that what happened in 1950 didin't work (and it didn't) so the plan today is destined to fail as well?   

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« Reply #2035 on: March 24, 2019, 12:09:51 PM »
Mexicans are stealing the wall...this might be the greatest thing ever...

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Re: Political Humor
« Reply #2037 on: March 27, 2019, 05:37:48 AM »
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I find no humor in the topic of suicide.

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« Reply #2038 on: March 27, 2019, 07:40:34 AM »
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I find no humor in the topic of suicide.

I'm right there with you... but I don't see that as being about suicide?    He was "found" with the noose around his neck; it was a racial thing, not a suicidal thing.   

And I can't say that I don't feel there's some truth in that cartoon.  He HAD to add the "MAGA" to the mix, even though Trump isn't NEARLY as bad on the identity politics issues as he could/should be (given the assumptions being made about him).   

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« Reply #2039 on: March 27, 2019, 08:04:03 AM »
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I find no humor in the topic of suicide.

I'm right there with you... but I don't see that as being about suicide?    He was "found" with the noose around his neck; it was a racial thing, not a suicidal thing.   

And I can't say that I don't feel there's some truth in that cartoon.  He HAD to add the "MAGA" to the mix, even though Trump isn't NEARLY as bad on the identity politics issues as he could/should be (given the assumptions being made about him).

I didn't know that was attached to someone. Figured it was just a random Trump hater overreacting. I'm not sure who "he" is.   

Disregard my comment then.

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« Reply #2040 on: March 27, 2019, 08:18:34 AM »
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I find no humor in the topic of suicide.

I'm right there with you... but I don't see that as being about suicide?    He was "found" with the noose around his neck; it was a racial thing, not a suicidal thing.   

And I can't say that I don't feel there's some truth in that cartoon.  He HAD to add the "MAGA" to the mix, even though Trump isn't NEARLY as bad on the identity politics issues as he could/should be (given the assumptions being made about him).

I didn't know that was attached to someone. Figured it was just a random Trump hater overreacting. I'm not sure who "he" is.   

Disregard my comment then.

That was the dude in Chicago that claimed he - a black, gay man - was beat up by two MAGA-hat wearing racists that punched him, called him names, yelled the slogan, and hung a noose around his neck.  Turns out, he (allegedly) hired the two guys - two African Americans - to beat him up and plant the evidence.   The prosecutor just (controversially) dropped all charges, while still claiming that Smollett was guilty of what he was accused. 

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« Reply #2041 on: March 27, 2019, 08:22:00 AM »
That seems weird and unnecessary.

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« Reply #2042 on: March 27, 2019, 10:26:10 AM »
Huh, I was going to say putting the 'Smollett' was superfluous as everyone would know who he was, and then one of the more tuned in members here says he had no idea it was.

And I am not sure any of these political cartoons are "necessary." All the "Trumnp is a retard har har" cartoons get weird and unnecessary after a while.

The fact that they are summarily dismissing all charges against this loser is the true humor in this story.
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« Reply #2043 on: March 27, 2019, 10:57:04 AM »
Huh, I was going to say putting the 'Smollett' was superfluous as everyone would know who he was, and then one of the more tuned in members here says he had no idea it was.

And I am not sure any of these political cartoons are "necessary." All the "Trumnp is a retard har har" cartoons get weird and unnecessary after a while.

The fact that they are summarily dismissing all charges against this loser is the true humor in this story.

I'm betting a nut that a) there's a LOT more to this story that has little or nothing to do with Smollett's actual guilt or innocence, and b) we've not heard the last of this (there are still possible civil charges and even a possibility of FEDERAL charges).   

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Re: Political Humor
« Reply #2044 on: March 27, 2019, 10:58:10 AM »
What the hell is a Smollett?

No joke. Is this that guy that falsely reported a hate crime? Either way, I am so confused by the pic.
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« Reply #2045 on: March 27, 2019, 11:12:45 AM »
What the hell is a Smollett?

No joke. Is this that guy that falsely reported a hate crime? Either way, I am so confused by the pic.

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« Reply #2046 on: March 27, 2019, 11:17:12 AM »
Adami, correct. From now on "Pulling a Smollett" will mean "staging an attack on yourself for the sole purpose of garnering a career boost."

Stadler, I for one hope we have heard the last of this douchebag. Some people are praising his exoneration, but even the prosecutor who dropped the charges believes he's guilty of what he was accused of.

Anyway... more funnies. Has Ocasio-Cortez opened her mouth in the past 26 minutes to say something about her Green Dream or whatever the hell Pelosi called it?
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« Reply #2047 on: March 27, 2019, 12:15:29 PM »
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I find no humor in the topic of suicide.

I'm right there with you... but I don't see that as being about suicide?    He was "found" with the noose around his neck; it was a racial thing, not a suicidal thing.   

And I can't say that I don't feel there's some truth in that cartoon.  He HAD to add the "MAGA" to the mix, even though Trump isn't NEARLY as bad on the identity politics issues as he could/should be (given the assumptions being made about him).


I don't agree with that bit about Trump and identity politics at all. He plays up identity politics as much as any politician.

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« Reply #2048 on: March 27, 2019, 12:29:58 PM »
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I find no humor in the topic of suicide.

I'm right there with you... but I don't see that as being about suicide?    He was "found" with the noose around his neck; it was a racial thing, not a suicidal thing.   

And I can't say that I don't feel there's some truth in that cartoon.  He HAD to add the "MAGA" to the mix, even though Trump isn't NEARLY as bad on the identity politics issues as he could/should be (given the assumptions being made about him).


I don't agree with that bit about Trump and identity politics at all. He plays up identity politics as much as any politician.

Yeah, I'm not on board with that "if you're silent then you're complicit" nonsense.   He had the resolution about trans people in the military.  I haven't seen anything on gay marriage, gay rights, or anything like that.  He's not nearly as race-sensitive as we're required to be in 2019, but he just doesn't have the overtly racist positions that he's accused of. 

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« Reply #2049 on: March 27, 2019, 12:45:02 PM »
Nobody's brought it up, but the troubling part of that cartoon is that Trump Derangement Syndrome seems to have gained some traction as a thing.

And the normalization of stupidity and incompetence continues unabated.
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« Reply #2050 on: March 27, 2019, 12:53:08 PM »
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I find no humor in the topic of suicide.

I'm right there with you... but I don't see that as being about suicide?    He was "found" with the noose around his neck; it was a racial thing, not a suicidal thing.   

And I can't say that I don't feel there's some truth in that cartoon.  He HAD to add the "MAGA" to the mix, even though Trump isn't NEARLY as bad on the identity politics issues as he could/should be (given the assumptions being made about him).


I don't agree with that bit about Trump and identity politics at all. He plays up identity politics as much as any politician.

Yeah, I'm not on board with that "if you're silent then you're complicit" nonsense.   He had the resolution about trans people in the military.  I haven't seen anything on gay marriage, gay rights, or anything like that.  He's not nearly as race-sensitive as we're required to be in 2019, but he just doesn't have the overtly racist positions that he's accused of.

Stadler, white identity politics are a thing as much as you'd like to yet again try to portray my point as "nonsense."

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« Reply #2051 on: March 27, 2019, 01:20:57 PM »
Nobody's brought it up, but the troubling part of that cartoon is that Trump Derangement Syndrome seems to have gained some traction as a thing.


It was never really a "thing" per se prior to Trump, but there was Hillary Derangement Syndrome with many for like 25 years, and now there is certainly Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS).  This week is a good example: with the report coming out that Trump did not collude with Russia, that should meet with a near-unanimous sigh of relief from the country.  I mean, if you are an American, why would you want to be able to say that your president colluded with a foreign power to steal an election?   Even if you dislike the president, that is still not a stain you want on the country.  But nope, many were bummed out that no collusion was found.  I flipped on CNN for a just few minutes the other night when it was being talked about and it was like watching a funeral.  They were all so sad and bummed out.  Total victims of the TDS.  And had the roles been reversed, many on the right would have been no different (if, say for example, Hillary had been accused of colluding with a foreign power and then been found innocent), so I am not taking sides here, merely pointing out that the derangement syndrome exists in many forms nowadays.  And I found the gloating by Fox News (which I also flipped on for a few) to be just nauseating as the sadness exhibited by CNN.  That's what I get for turning on both channels. :lol

And it goes without saying that many conservatives already have AOCDS (AOC Derangement Syndrome)...now, there's an acronym.  :lol :lol

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« Reply #2052 on: March 27, 2019, 01:48:42 PM »
Nobody's brought it up, but the troubling part of that cartoon is that Trump Derangement Syndrome seems to have gained some traction as a thing.


It was never really a "thing" per se prior to Trump, but there was Hillary Derangement Syndrome with many for like 25 years, and now there is certainly Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS).  This week is a good example: with the report coming out that Trump did not collude with Russia, that should meet with a near-unanimous sigh of relief from the country.  I mean, if you are an American, why would you want to be able to say that your president colluded with a foreign power to steal an election?   Even if you dislike the president, that is still not a stain you want on the country.  But nope, many were bummed out that no collusion was found.  I flipped on CNN for a just few minutes the other night when it was being talked about and it was like watching a funeral.  They were all so sad and bummed out.  Total victims of the TDS.  And had the roles been reversed, many on the right would have been no different (if, say for example, Hillary had been accused of colluding with a foreign power and then been found innocent), so I am not taking sides here, merely pointing out that the derangement syndrome exists in many forms nowadays.  And I found the gloating by Fox News (which I also flipped on for a few) to be just nauseating as the sadness exhibited by CNN.  That's what I get for turning on both channels. :lol

And it goes without saying that many conservatives already have AOCDS (AOC Derangement Syndrome)...now, there's an acronym.  :lol :lol
Fair enough, but I'd never heard of any political derangement syndrome until Trump used the term. In fact, didn't he take credit for it? I know he takes credit for everything, but I think I heard about it when he said "I like to call it Trump Derangement Syndrome." In any case, it's simply a deflection of criticism by attacking the critic. It's embracing stupidity.
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« Reply #2053 on: March 27, 2019, 01:50:03 PM »
Fair enough, but I'd never heard of any political derangement syndrome until Trump used the term. In fact, didn't he take credit for it? I know he takes credit for everything, but I think I heard about it when he said "I like to call it Trump Derangement Syndrome." In any case, it's simply a deflection of criticism by attacking the critic. It's embracing stupidity.

On that last point we are in total agreement.

EDIT:  Somehow I lost the rest of my post; basically I said it could be a bit of both (to El Barto's previous point).  There's not a lot of sane, rational analysis going on on both sides, but it's fair to call when:
- a law that gets voted for by a significant margin becomes a "moral failure" when advocated by Trump (The Secure Fence Act);
- economic programs (tariffs) are not only acceptable but advocated when proposed by FDR, Hillary and Bernie, but become corrupt nationalism when implemented by Trump;
- when a travel ban that doesn't even mention Muslims (and doesn't even TOUCH almost 90% of the Muslim population) becomes regularly referred to, even by journalists who should know better, a "Muslim Ban"

a case of some sort of derangement. 
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« Reply #2054 on: March 27, 2019, 02:06:29 PM »
Fair enough, but I'd never heard of any political derangement syndrome until Trump used the term. In fact, didn't he take credit for it? I know he takes credit for everything, but I think I heard about it when he said "I like to call it Trump Derangement Syndrome." In any case, it's simply a deflection of criticism by attacking the critic. It's embracing stupidity.

On that last point we are in total agreement.

EDIT:  Somehow I lost the rest of my post; basically I said it could be a bit of both (to El Barto's previous point).  There's not a lot of sane, rational analysis going on on both sides, but it's fair to call when:
- a law that gets voted for by a significant margin becomes a "moral failure" when advocated by Trump (The Secure Fence Act);
- economic programs (tariffs) are not only acceptable but advocated when proposed by FDR, Hillary and Bernie, but become corrupt nationalism when implemented by Trump;
- when a travel ban that doesn't even mention Muslims (and doesn't even TOUCH almost 90% of the Muslim population) becomes regularly referred to, even by journalists who should know better, a "Muslim Ban"

a case of some sort of derangement.
You of all people have no business referring to derangement in this context. Not because it applies to you, but because you so steadfastly refuse to make judgement calls when applicable to Trump et al. Moreover, I disagree with your interpretation of at least 2 of your 3 points, which is precisely why you so refuse such characterizations so often.
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« Reply #2055 on: March 27, 2019, 03:32:48 PM »
Fair enough, but I'd never heard of any political derangement syndrome until Trump used the term. In fact, didn't he take credit for it? I know he takes credit for everything, but I think I heard about it when he said "I like to call it Trump Derangement Syndrome." In any case, it's simply a deflection of criticism by attacking the critic. It's embracing stupidity.

Was Trump the one who got that phrase started? I figured it was some internet phrase/meme started by some nut on Twitter or something. Of course, that description kinda fits Trump, doesn't it? :lol

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« Reply #2056 on: March 27, 2019, 03:55:02 PM »
Seems it was coined by Charles Krauthammer originally as Bush Derangement Syndrome. I've only recently heard of it at all. Ironically, Krauthammer would almost certainly be accused of having TDS. He was precisely the sort of guy trump's people would want to shut up. Staunchly conservative, highly thoughtful, and a passionate critic of Trump's weakness.
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« Reply #2057 on: March 27, 2019, 06:16:15 PM »
Not sure you are understanding TDS. It is when your sheer hatred of Trump makes you do dumbass things. For instance, say you spent your whole life proclaiming you are Native American, then when Trump calls you out on it, you take a test for no other reason than to prove him wrong, only to show you are 0.0005% Native American.
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« Reply #2058 on: March 27, 2019, 07:05:02 PM »
Ben Garrisson cartoons are... an acquired taste to say the least.   One I don’t have and hopefully never will. 

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« Reply #2059 on: March 27, 2019, 07:28:18 PM »
Not sure you are understanding TDS. It is when your sheer hatred of Trump makes you do dumbass things. For instance, say you spent your whole life proclaiming you are Native American, then when Trump calls you out on it, you take a test for no other reason than to prove him wrong, only to show you are 0.0005% Native American.

Change "do" to "do or say" and I am with ya.  I don't think the implication is that any critic has the derangement syndrome, but that those who have it search for any possible thing to criticize said person about, making it seem like that person is in their head so much that they can't help themselves and feel the need to constantly criticize that person, and I see that happen a lot with politicians in general (not just Trump).

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« Reply #2060 on: March 27, 2019, 07:50:33 PM »
It isn't just about the criticisms though, it is about people being driven to apoplexy every time Trump says/tweets/does something they don't like.

Ben Garrisson cartoons are... an acquired taste to say the least.   One I don’t have and hopefully never will. 

I could say the same for what is passing for liberalism these days  :lol
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« Reply #2061 on: March 27, 2019, 08:14:31 PM »
Not sure you are understanding TDS. It is when your sheer hatred of Trump makes you do dumbass things. For instance, say you spent your whole life proclaiming you are Native American, then when Trump calls you out on it, you take a test for no other reason than to prove him wrong, only to show you are 0.0005% Native American.

Change "do" to "do or say" and I am with ya.  I don't think the implication is that any critic has the derangement syndrome, but that those who have it search for any possible thing to criticize said person about, making it seem like that person is in their head so much that they can't help themselves and feel the need to constantly criticize that person, and I see that happen a lot with politicians in general (not just Trump).
To you both, I do know what it means, based on the writings of the guy who coined the phrase. "The acute onset of paranoia in otherwise normal people in reaction to the policies, the presidency—nay—the very existence of George W. Bush." And yes, that might describe what you are referring to. However, my implication is that the implication is that any critic has the derangement syndrome. Just ask the president. As I said, it's the continuing normalization of stupidity and incompetence. It's no different than fake news or witch hunt. Say it often enough and it becomes a proper rebuttal.

I think his foreign policies are going to be the ruin of the country.
Uh oh, another snowflake with Trump derangement syndrome. Better not trigger him.
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« Reply #2062 on: March 27, 2019, 08:35:46 PM »
Your note about Krauthammer through me. Rereading that post and your explanation I see what you were getting at now.
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« Reply #2063 on: March 28, 2019, 08:10:44 AM »
Fair enough, but I'd never heard of any political derangement syndrome until Trump used the term. In fact, didn't he take credit for it? I know he takes credit for everything, but I think I heard about it when he said "I like to call it Trump Derangement Syndrome." In any case, it's simply a deflection of criticism by attacking the critic. It's embracing stupidity.

On that last point we are in total agreement.

EDIT:  Somehow I lost the rest of my post; basically I said it could be a bit of both (to El Barto's previous point).  There's not a lot of sane, rational analysis going on on both sides, but it's fair to call when:
- a law that gets voted for by a significant margin becomes a "moral failure" when advocated by Trump (The Secure Fence Act);
- economic programs (tariffs) are not only acceptable but advocated when proposed by FDR, Hillary and Bernie, but become corrupt nationalism when implemented by Trump;
- when a travel ban that doesn't even mention Muslims (and doesn't even TOUCH almost 90% of the Muslim population) becomes regularly referred to, even by journalists who should know better, a "Muslim Ban"

a case of some sort of derangement.
You of all people have no business referring to derangement in this context. Not because it applies to you, but because you so steadfastly refuse to make judgement calls when applicable to Trump et al. Moreover, I disagree with your interpretation of at least 2 of your 3 points, which is precisely why you so refuse such characterizations so often.

You're absolutely right to call me on that reference, but I'm using the terminology that's presented to me. I'm actually with you  in terms of degree; I wouldn't personally refer to something like "derangement syndrome".   I do though believe that there is a stigma about Trump, based on unrelated and merely correlated facts that don't equate to causation.  And it fits into my bigger picture, since it's a clear example of why the blanket "moralizing" that I talk about so much is so problematic.  It allows for a built-in position where either one is hard to justify, or outright doesn't exist.   

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Re: Political Humor
« Reply #2064 on: March 28, 2019, 08:11:53 AM »
Ben Garrisson cartoons are... an acquired taste to say the least.   One I don’t have and hopefully never will.

It's not about "taste" though; they don't make you think even a little bit?