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ICP sues FBI, Juggalos are a family
« on: September 28, 2012, 11:38:30 AM »
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/insane_clown_posse_sue_fbi.html


This is interesting. They make a good case saying people who wear ICP stuff may face harsher punishment, even a minor traffic stop. Even though I don't listen to them nor enjoy their fans, they do have a right.

I'd like to know your thoughts on this, as the comments are pretty crazy as well.
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Re: ICP sues FBI, Juggalos are a family
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2012, 12:07:41 PM »
Wow, I never thought I would back ICP, but I am.
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Re: ICP sues FBI, Juggalos are a family
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2012, 12:33:27 PM »
Wow, that's just insane. What is wrong with the FBI?
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Re: ICP sues FBI, Juggalos are a family
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2012, 04:50:35 PM »
Are there any online petitions that supporters of ICP can sign? If this stands, it won't be long before rappers and extreme metal bands start getting sniped as well by this witch hunt.
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Re: ICP sues FBI, Juggalos are a family
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2012, 05:31:38 PM »
Are there any online petitions that supporters of ICP can sign? If this stands, it won't be long before rappers and extreme metal bands start getting sniped as well by this witch hunt.

Maybe if you search on Facebook. But other then the questionnaire, I don't know of any. Theirs more info on their site about what they're doing.

It's true though they are music fans and are the same as Deadheads, Slipknots Maggots, Mudvaynes Oxygen Wasters, and so on.
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Re: ICP sues FBI, Juggalos are a family
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2012, 05:57:04 PM »
it won't be long before rappers and extreme metal bands start getting sniped as well by this witch hunt.

Not really. 'Juggalos' are easily identifiable and have a veritable laundry list of crimes lined up against them. It's stupid and shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the culture, but I can still see why the FBI tagged them as such. There really aren't any rappers or extreme metal bands that have the same kind of following.
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« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2012, 06:23:14 PM »
Mudvaynes Oxygen Wasters

Never heard this before.
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Re: ICP sues FBI, Juggalos are a family
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2012, 06:25:26 PM »
That's not a very good fanbase name...

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Re: ICP sues FBI, Juggalos are a family
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2012, 07:04:11 PM »
They've really got nothing to gein by having that name.
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Re: ICP sues FBI, Juggalos are a family
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2012, 07:34:48 PM »
Wow, I never thought I would back ICP, but I am.
Agreed. The FBI is clearly in the wrong here.
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« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2012, 07:40:07 PM »
I wholeheartedly support anyone over 15 that listens to ICP getting arrested.

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Re: ICP sues FBI, Juggalos are a family
« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2012, 07:52:33 PM »
it won't be long before rappers and extreme metal bands start getting sniped as well by this witch hunt.

Not really. 'Juggalos' are easily identifiable and have a veritable laundry list of crimes lined up against them. It's stupid and shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the culture, but I can still see why the FBI tagged them as such. There really aren't any rappers or extreme metal bands that have the same kind of following.

Yes and no. I mean, the Gathering of the Juggalos seems like a center of pretty blatant serious law-breaking, and it's long overdue for one or two of those to get raided. That said, ICP are also musicians who have a following of good hardcore fans, good casual fans, and troublemakers. I think this measure is pretty extreme.

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Re: ICP sues FBI, Juggalos are a family
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2012, 07:54:03 PM »


I can see how they're considered a gang.  The fact that they're not known for shooting each other, cooking crank, and pimping out their juggalettes just means they're not a particularly troubling gang.  They consider themselves a family which has developed their own idioms, slang and characteristics. 

Also, the FBI didn't exactly pin the MS13 tag on them.  They're considered a hybrid, quazi-gang, and aren't really considered much of a threat at this point.  The FBI considers them something to keep an eye on, more than anything else.

Sorry about the formatting.  It's from a PDF of the 2011 National Gang Threat Assessment Emerging Trends.

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Juggalos
the Juggalos, a loosely-organized hybrid gang, are
rapidly expanding into many Us communities. although
recognized as a gang in only four states, many Jug-
galos subsets exhibit gang-like behavior and engage in
criminal activity and violence. law enforcement oficials
in at least 21 states have identiied criminal Juggalo
sub-sets, according to NGiC reporting.
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•    NGiC reporting indicates that Juggalo gangs are
expanding in New mexico primarily because they
are attracted to the tribal and cultural traditions
of the Native americans residing nearby.
most crimes committed by Juggalos are sporadic,
disorganized, individualistic, and often involve simple
assault, personal drug use and possession, petty
theft, and vandalism. however, open source reporting suggests that a small number of Juggalos are forming
more organized subsets and engaging in more gang-lik
criminal activity, such as felony assaults, thefts, robber-
ies, and drug sales.
 
social networking websites are a
popular conveyance for Juggalo sub-culture to commu
nicate and expand.
•    in January 2011, a suspected Juggalo member
shot and wounded a couple in King County,
Washington, according to open source reporting.
Juggalos’ disorganization and lack of structure within
their groups, coupled with their transient nature, makes
it dificult to classify them and identify their members
and migration patterns. many criminal Juggalo sub-
sets are comprised of transient or homeless individuals
according to law enforcement reporting. most Juggalo
criminal groups are not motivated to migrate based
upon traditional needs of a gang. however, law enforce
ment reporting suggests that Juggalo criminal activ-
ity has increased over the past several years and has
expanded to several other states. transient, criminal
Juggalo groups pose a threat to communities due to th
potential for violence, drug use/sales, and their general
destructive and violent nature.
•    in January 2010, two suspected Juggalo associ-
ates were charged with beating and robbing an
elderly homeless man.
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That's what all the fuss is about.

As for the crips and the bloods being troubled by these guys, not a chance.  While made up of morons, collectively they're definitely smart enough to realize what the Juggalos are, which is little more than harmless white-bread wannabes. 
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Re: ICP sues FBI, Juggalos are a family
« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2012, 06:51:31 AM »
The part about Natives is bull. Just another way to say us Natives are worthless. I am greatly offended by that statement. Guess theirs no respect for the Native vote
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« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2012, 08:08:22 AM »
I don't think Juggalos are gangs.  They're just fucktards.
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« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2012, 08:22:32 AM »
I don't think Juggalos are gangs.  They're just fucktards.

Like most fans. Lol, I said MOST
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« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2012, 08:24:42 AM »
The funny thing is my niece and boyfriend are coming over tonight with my godson to watch, "The Avengers" and and they are both Juggalos. :lol
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« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2012, 08:26:43 AM »
The funny thing is my niece and boyfriend are coming over tonight with my godson to watch, "The Avengers" and and they are both Juggalos. :lol

I'm serious in asking, what do they think of this situation?
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« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2012, 08:33:39 AM »
The funny thing is my niece and boyfriend are coming over tonight with my godson to watch, "The Avengers" and and they are both Juggalos. :lol

I'm serious in asking, what do they think of this situation?

I haven't asked yet so I'll ask tonight.
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Re: ICP sues FBI, Juggalos are a family
« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2012, 09:00:05 AM »
I say leave them alone... somebody has to make the my little pony freaks look level headed.

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« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2012, 10:13:20 AM »
To be fair to the FBI, there's a big list of crimes that people identifying as Juggalos have committed.  I remember one woman on reddit told a story about how she was surrounded by a few while in her car and they were taunting her, telling her to get out so they could rape her.  She ran them over.  But after hearing plenty of stories like that and the mass stoning of Tila Tequila at that Gathering of the Juggalos, I can see why the FBI has them on the list, especially as they specifically mention they're loosely-organized.  They're not all based around dealing crack or prostitution or anything, but as a group they have a bad reputation for a reason, and that's why they're being watched.  ICP is free to sue but their preaching about how they're all a loving family is just bullshit.