Author Topic: Three-person civil union sparks controversy in Brazil  (Read 1372 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Odysseus

  • Posts: 245
  • Gender: Male
Three-person civil union sparks controversy in Brazil
« on: August 29, 2012, 01:56:41 PM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-19402508

Quote
Three-person civil union sparks controversy in Brazil

A notary in the Brazilian state of Sao Paulo has sparked controversy by accepting a civil union between three people.
Public Notary Claudia do Nascimento Domingues has said the man and two women should be entitled to family rights.
She says there is nothing in law to prevent such an arrangement.
But the move has angered some religious groups, while one lawyer described it as "absurd and totally illegal".
The three individuals, who have declined to speak to the press, have lived in Rio de Janeiro together for three years and share bills and other expenses.
Ms Domingues says they have already opened a joint bank account, which is also not prohibited by any law.
According to Globo TV, the union was formalised three months ago, but only became public this week.
Nathaniel Santos Batista Junior, a jurist who helped draft the document, said the idea was to protect their rights in case of separation or death of a partner, Globo reports.
Ms Domingues, who is based in the Sao Paulo city of Tupa, said the move reflected the fact that the idea of a "family" had changed.
"We are only recognising what has always existed. We are not inventing anything."
"For better or worse, it doesn't matter, but what we considered a family before isn't necessarily what we would consider a family today."
But lawyer Regina Beatriz Tavares da Silva told the BBC it was "absurd and totally illegal", and "something completely unacceptable which goes against Brazilian values and morals".
Ms da Silva, who is president of the Commission for the Rights of the Family within the Institute of Lawyers, says the union will not be allowed to remain in place.
Some religious groups have also voiced criticism of the move.
While Ms Domingues has approved the union, it is not clear whether courts, service providers and private companies such as health insurance providers will accept the ruling.


Thoughts?

For me, as long as everyone involved in this particular relationship is cool with it then good luck to them... nothing to do with me.

Offline Sigz

  • BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD
  • DTF.org Member
  • *
  • Posts: 13536
  • Gender: Male
  • THRONES FOR THE THRONE SKULL
Re: Three-person civil union sparks controversy in Brazil
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2012, 02:53:56 PM »
I love how they call it a civil union, not a marriage, and yet all the opposition to it is still streaming from religious groups.
Quote
The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.

Offline kirksnosehair

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 6688
  • Gender: Male
  • Captain of The ANABASIS
    • The ANABASIS - Music Making a Difference
Re: Three-person civil union sparks controversy in Brazil
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2012, 02:59:11 PM »
It's an interesting concept that I can honestly say I never thought about.


I'm a 100% monogamous guy.  I've never cheated on my wife and I never will.  I don't understand so-called "open" marriages, nor do I get this concept of a "three-person civil union"


But with that said, I'm also very much a "live and let live" kind of person, so from where I sit, if there is no harm to others, why should I give a shit?


 

Offline theseoafs

  • When the lights go down in the city, and the sun shines on the bayyyyy
  • Posts: 5573
  • Gender: Male
  • Hello! My name is Elder Price
Re: Three-person civil union sparks controversy in Brazil
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2012, 03:15:50 PM »
But with that said, I'm also very much a "live and let live" kind of person, so from where I sit, if there is no harm to others, why should I give a shit?

Basically this.  It's not my opinion that there's some great injustice going on in America if three people can't get married together, but I don't see why I or anyone should care that it's already happened.  More power to them.

Offline El Barto

  • Rascal Atheistic Pig
  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 23916
  • Bad Craziness
Re: Three-person civil union sparks controversy in Brazil
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2012, 03:16:11 PM »
I love how they call it a civil union, not a marriage, and yet all the opposition to it is still streaming from religious groups.
Yeah, I noticed that as well.

Bigamy is clearly illegal in Brazil, so I'm not sure how this is even an issue.  You can't have two wives.  And while I support these peopled doing whateverthehell makes them happy, its seems like they're some of those people who are just looking to rock the boat.  They could have protected their interests with a simple civil contract, I suspect. 
Argument, the presentation of reasonable views, never makes headway against conviction, and conviction takes no part in argument because it knows.
E.F. Benson

Offline jammindude

  • Posts: 10429
  • Gender: Male
    • The Jammin Dude Show
Re: Three-person civil union sparks controversy in Brazil
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2012, 05:16:50 PM »
So why not let them?   Why not let them get married?   If the guy can afford it and everyone's happy....
"Better the pride that resides in a citizen of the world.
Than the pride that divides when a colorful rag is unfurled." - Neil Peart

The Jammin Dude Show - https://www.youtube.com/user/jammindude

Offline Super Dude

  • Hero of Prog
  • DTF.com Member
  • **
  • Posts: 16207
  • Gender: Male
    • The Nerdy Millennial
Re: Three-person civil union sparks controversy in Brazil
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2012, 06:16:14 PM »
So you're okay with a monogamous homosexual marriage then?
Quote from: bosk1
As frequently happens, Super Dude nailed it.
:superdude:

Offline XJDenton

  • What a shame
  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 4874
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

Offline PowerSlave

  • Posts: 1976
Re: Three-person civil union sparks controversy in Brazil
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2012, 06:27:28 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_tk6Wxkaj8&feature=player_detailpage#t=77s

Relevant.

This.


Also, why should religious groups have their noses stuck in this? Maybe they're just following old testament views and laws? Some of the greatest historical figures in their holy books had multiple wives. It's rather funny how christians like to pick and choose what parts they want to keep from the old testament but, when they come across a part that's inconvenient for them then they claim to be living under a "new covenant" and ignore it.
All of this has happened before and all of this will happen again

Offline black_biff_stadler

  • 6th place finalist at New Orleans Skullet Fest 2010
  • DT.net Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 13724
  • Gender: Male
  • blackwater_floyd, get it?
Re: Three-person civil union sparks controversy in Brazil
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2012, 11:49:50 PM »
I love how they call it a civil union, not a marriage, and yet all the opposition to it is still streaming from religious groups.

Damn good point dude.
Users who've sigged me (Join today!): LCArenas, Jakartabassplayer, LeeHarveyKennedy, Global Laziness, Portrucci, obscure, FlyingBIZKIT, alirocker08, senecadawg2, DebraKadabra, JayOctavarium, Cedar redaC, (almost) bout to crash, ? (the forum member, not the fucking punctuation mark), Zeltar, lonestar, ASacrificedSon

Offline jammindude

  • Posts: 10429
  • Gender: Male
    • The Jammin Dude Show
Re: Three-person civil union sparks controversy in Brazil
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2012, 11:25:45 PM »
So you're okay with a monogamous homosexual marriage then?

I'm indifferent.   This is basically a political issue, and I'm apolitical.     
"Better the pride that resides in a citizen of the world.
Than the pride that divides when a colorful rag is unfurled." - Neil Peart

The Jammin Dude Show - https://www.youtube.com/user/jammindude

Offline yorost

  • Inactive
  • Posts: 7862
  • Gender: Male
Re: Three-person civil union sparks controversy in Brazil
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2012, 07:38:05 AM »
Basically, the government should stay out of unions, just let private contracts rule the day if people want to make it legally binding.  It's a personal thing and people should have a right to define their unions.  It's not like standard contracts won't form for people who just want to be simple about it.  Religious groups can sponsor the types of unions they permit within their own memberships.  ...I know it won't make everyone happy being unable to force their beliefs on everyone else, but boo hoo.  As far as I can see, taxes are the biggest reason to personally want government mandated unions, but tax codes can change.

One issue with private contracts is the potential cult situation where people become manipulated into excessive unions of this type, but it's not like we don't have union fraud right now.  In some sense, a line does need to be drawn somewhere, but where? 

Offline jammindude

  • Posts: 10429
  • Gender: Male
    • The Jammin Dude Show
Re: Three-person civil union sparks controversy in Brazil
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2012, 09:19:48 AM »
Basically, the government should stay out of unions, just let private contracts rule the day if people want to make it legally binding.  It's a personal thing and people should have a right to define their unions.  It's not like standard contracts won't form for people who just want to be simple about it.  Religious groups can sponsor the types of unions they permit within their own memberships.  ...I know it won't make everyone happy being unable to force their beliefs on everyone else, but boo hoo.  As far as I can see, taxes are the biggest reason to personally want government mandated unions, but tax codes can change.

One issue with private contracts is the potential cult situation where people become manipulated into excessive unions of this type, but it's not like we don't have union fraud right now.  In some sense, a line does need to be drawn somewhere, but where?

With the current politics being what they are in this world...this solution would seem to make the most sense.   
"Better the pride that resides in a citizen of the world.
Than the pride that divides when a colorful rag is unfurled." - Neil Peart

The Jammin Dude Show - https://www.youtube.com/user/jammindude