Rush v. Dirk, Pratt, & Lerxst

[TAC]

Calling PEW an 80s album purely by release date is akin to a kid born in late 1989 calling themselves an 80s kid.

-Marc.

Right. I was born in 1968 and I'd never call myself a 60's kid.

You just call yourself,  old.   Yeah. I know. I am too, sucka!

Older, in fact..

[King Postwhore]

Months. Not a grand canyon of years. Lol

[jjrock88]

I'm trying to understand how an album released in the 80's wouldn't be considered an 80's album lol.  My head is spinning a bit 

[HOF]

I'm trying to understand how an album released in the 80's wouldn't be considered an 80's album lol.  My head is spinning a bit 

It’s because in this sense TAC is using “80s” as a pejorative, so he only means it to refer the albums he doesn’t like.

[KevShmev]

I'm trying to understand how an album released in the 80's wouldn't be considered an 80's album lol.  My head is spinning a bit 

There's no sense in trying to make sense out of something that doesn't make sense.

[jjrock88]

 

[HOF]

CBS Sunday Morning spot with Geddy (and Alex though I don’t know how recent that part was). Nothing new beyond what we’ve been hearing, but a nice retrospective on the band anyway.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GlmRGHHY9hw

[SoundscapeMN]

Shameless Plug:
I was part of a group discussion geeking out about Rush today on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzIlvOMjXCI

[jingle.boy]

I'm trying to understand how an album released in the 80's wouldn't be considered an 80's album lol.  My head is spinning a bit 

There's no sense in trying to make sense out of something that doesn't make sense.

It makes perfect sense to me.  From a sound and style perspective, PeW has a lot more in common with the albums that preceded it vs the albums that followed it.  So if the intent is solely to categorize the "decade" by release date that coincides with a Gregorian calendar, you have a point.  If the means of categorizing the "decade" is by the sound and style, then it makes perfect sense to not consider PeW an "80s" album.

And for the record, I'm on Tim's side of this.  Just because it was released 18 days into the decade doesn't change how it sounds - and it makes better sense to categorize it along with Hem/AFTK/2112... vs MP/Signals/GUP ...

When someones says "80s Rush", I highly doubt (m)any think of PeW.

[Stadler]

Permanent Waves has Jacob’s Ladder and Moving Pictures has Witch Hunt. ;-) I’d say there are only a handful of 70s Rush songs that aren’t “clunkers.” Really it’s all tastes and preferences, and one man’s clunker is another man’s favorite (Emotion Detector is a top 3 Rush track for me).

I struggled with 70s music in general for a long time, so it was always unlikely that the 70s would be one of my favorite eras from Rush. But even Neil felt that they didn’t become a mature band until like Moving Pictures. There are things I appreciate from the 70s Rush, but it’s just not what I love about Rush for the most part.

Well, you have the idea right, but the songs wrong! 

PW has Freewill (I had that as 131) and MP has Vital Signs (I had that at 150).  FOR ME, the only perfect album is Hemispheres.

[Stadler]

I'm trying to understand how an album released in the 80's wouldn't be considered an 80's album lol.  My head is spinning a bit 

There's no sense in trying to make sense out of something that doesn't make sense.

It makes perfect sense to me.  From a sound and style perspective, PeW has a lot more in common with the albums that preceded it vs the albums that followed it.  So if the intent is solely to categorize the "decade" by release date that coincides with a Gregorian calendar, you have a point.  If the means of categorizing the "decade" is by the sound and style, then it makes perfect sense to not consider PeW an "80s" album.

And for the record, I'm on Tim's side of this.  Just because it was released 18 days into the decade doesn't change how it sounds - and it makes better sense to categorize it along with Hem/AFTK/2112... vs MP/Signals/GUP ...

When someones says "80s Rush", I highly doubt (m)any think of PeW.

And I tend to agree with this, and to throw yet another spanner in the works, you DO have songs that "hark back" and songs that "foreshadow".  I think "Entre Nous" and "Different Strings" could easily be on AFTK, and I think Jacob's Ladder could easily be on Moving Pictures.   "Limelight" is easily compatible with Permanent Waves, but "Vital Signs" is an (unfortunate) harbinger of Signals (even though I LOVE Signals, which only has "Chemistry" as a clunker).

[DTA]

Would Presto be considered a 90's album?

[TAC]

Would Presto be considered a 90's album?

Yes!!!!

[jjrock88]

I'm feeling that Presto is more of a 70's album actually.

[HOF]

Even Roll the Bones is probably closer in sound to an 80s record than a 90s record. Counterparts was the first 90s album if we're going by that logic.

[KevShmev]

I feel like Presto is more of a 2060s record.

[pg1067]

I missed a lot over the weekend.

The only thing I really want to respond to is the Jacob's Ladder slander.  That song is FUCKING AMAZING!!  It's my #4 Rush song, and the only reason it isn't the best song on PEW is because Natural Science exists.

I will also say that I find it amusing that we've once again circled back to how to cluster Rush's albums.

[TAC]

I will also say that I find it amusing that we've once again circled back to how to cluster Rush's albums.

Blame Kev!

[hefdaddy42]

WTF @ this thread

80s means released in the 80s.  Likewise, 70s means released in the 70s.

It's just math, people.  Prog nerds usually at least get THAT right.

When you're talking about a group of albums, and you aren't actually referring to their release date, you shouldn't classify them by release date.  That's just inaccurate, and an impediment to clear communication.

I mean, unless you don't care about that sort of thing lol

[The Letter M]

WTF @ this thread

80s means released in the 80s.  Likewise, 70s means released in the 70s.

It's just math, people.  Prog nerds usually at least get THAT right.

When you're talking about a group of albums, and you aren't actually referring to their release date, you shouldn't classify them by release date.  That's just inaccurate, and an impediment to clear communication.

I mean, unless you don't care about that sort of thing lol

Would you classify a song's decade by when it was written, first performed, or officially released?

For 21 dates in the late summer of 1979, Rush played "The Spirit Of Radio" and "Freewill" and for fans who saw them at those shows, they were still 70s Rush. Even the promo single for TSOR came out in December 1979 (according to wikipedia). So if you're looking at just those two songs, there is an argument to be made that, for at least those two songs, they're 70s Rush.

-Marc.

[jjrock88]

My head is still spinning like a top with this thread.  Is Moving Pictures considered an 80's album because it was released in the 80's.  Or is it a 70's or 90's album?

[TAC]

My head is still spinning like a top with this thread.  Is Moving Pictures considered an 80's album because it was released in the 80's.  Or is it a 70's or 90's album?

No.

[jjrock88]

Obviously 

[Orbert]

Some people like to simplify things, or use labels for convenience, or both.  I generally think of "70's Rush" as the original power-trio stuff, "80's Rush" is the keyboard-crazy era, and "90's Rush" is when they started stripping things back again.  But the changes in their sound were usually gradual and people disagree on where the "eras" start and end, and they don't line up exactly with the years of release anyway.  So, as with anything else in prog, no one agrees on anything Rush.

[jjrock88]

Rush Rules, I think everyone agrees with that.

[KevShmev]

Yep. And besides, they are a hard rock band at heart, not prog.

[Orbert]

True, but they definitely got into more than your basic three-or-four-chord rock.  It's okay for prog fans to consider Rush prog.

[jammindude]

Yep. And besides, they are a hard rock band at heart, not prog.

OK this is even more baffling to me than the decade argument.

[KevShmev]

Yep. And besides, they are a hard rock band at heart, not prog.

OK this is even more baffling to me than the decade argument.

You like Test for Echo more than Counterparts, so you being baffled in this thread is nothing new. 

[jammindude]

Yep. And besides, they are a hard rock band at heart, not prog.

OK this is even more baffling to me than the decade argument.

You like Test for Echo more than Counterparts, so you being baffled in this thread is nothing new. 

 

[SoundscapeMN]

https://www.loudersound.com/news/geddy-lee-says-he-and-alex-lifeson-have-talked-about-recruiting-one-of-the-worlds-great-drummers-to-tour-as-rush-again

so who are the best guesses they are recruiting "one of the world's great drummers"?

Gavin Harrison?
Danny Carey?
Simon Phillips?

[HOF]

https://www.loudersound.com/news/geddy-lee-says-he-and-alex-lifeson-have-talked-about-recruiting-one-of-the-worlds-great-drummers-to-tour-as-rush-again

so who are the best guesses they are recruiting "one of the world's great drummers"?

Gavin Harrison?
Danny Carey?
Simon Phillips?

I posted the CBS news clip above. The answer is in response to a question along the lines of “have you considered calling up one of the world’s great drummers to go out on tour?” Geddy didn’t actually use those words.

[King Postwhore]

Alex does have a connection to Marco Minnemann.   And since Mike Mangini is free....

[KevShmev]

The man they should pick seems clear as day to me...

[TAC]

Is that Eddie And The Cruisers?