Rush v. Dirk, Pratt, & Lerxst

[Stadler]

I don't know; I admire Rush for the same reasons I admire my parents (married for 55 years and still going strong) and bands like ZZ Top.  But that doesn't mean that other bands are bad; I learned long ago (1982, to be exact) that all bands aren't - and don't have to be - friends and buddy buddy to make good music.  In fact, for some people, it's the conflict and drama that brings out their best work.   Some people need the fire lit under their ass. 

[Lethean]

Just scored tix for the Primus show in Chicago. Will be my first time seeing them. Can't wait!

I don't know much about Primus at all.  But my impression of the vocals was that they were more tongue in cheek.  Not sure how that's all going to sound when they're trying to do Rush.

[Stadler]

Just scored tix for the Primus show in Chicago. Will be my first time seeing them. Can't wait!

I don't know much about Primus at all.  But my impression of the vocals was that they were more tongue in cheek.  Not sure how that's all going to sound when they're trying to do Rush.

It might just be me, but Les has a way of making the vocals work; his singing on the cover of "Animals" is anything but "tongue-in-cheek".    Same withe the CLD cover of "In The Court Of The Crimson King".   

[Bentower]

Les has a lot of his range since Primus' heyday so it'll be interesting to see what he does with those vocal parts. Musically, the band ought to do the album justice. Hopefully there'll be some sort of pro-shot footage from this tour for us on the other continents.

[Ben_Jamin]

Les Claypool playing The Spirit of Radio in 2012.

https://youtu.be/taS06rvN8gk

A Farewell to Kings may sound like this. I hope he sings it better with more power. The vocals sound weak in this cover, even though the band is fantastic, that Cello player is the best thing from this cover. Also, the reggae section sounds way better in this cover.

[pg1067]

Les Claypool playing The Spirit of Radio in 2012.

https://youtu.be/taS06rvN8gk

A Farewell to Kings may sound like this. I hope he sings it better with more power. The vocals sound weak in this cover, even though the band is fantastic, that Cello player is the best thing from this cover. Also, the reggae section sounds way better in this cover.

I only watched the first couple minutes and wasn't able to play it very loud.  The music sounded fine for what it was, but the singing was beyond lackluster.  Were the cello and marimba players wearing half-masks?

[Stadler]

Les Claypool playing The Spirit of Radio in 2012.

https://youtu.be/taS06rvN8gk

A Farewell to Kings may sound like this. I hope he sings it better with more power. The vocals sound weak in this cover, even though the band is fantastic, that Cello player is the best thing from this cover. Also, the reggae section sounds way better in this cover.

Love this comment:  "Now what I REALLY want to hear is Rush's cover version of "Wynona's Big Brown Beaver" !!!"

[Anguyen92]

Wanted to go get Primus tickets.  Saw that they had a presale for the LA show yesterday at their website for $42.00 for the cheap seats.  Opted to wait just in case it gets listed on Groupon for cheap.  Hasn't shown up on Groupon, Tickets on Ticketmaster is like $50.00 for the absolute worst views, $72.00 for a far back seat with a better view, and now I looked today on their website and the $42.00 tickets are gone.

Welp.  Guess I have to either pass or wait to see if Stubhub has a good view for a ticket less than $50.00.  Not likely, but it can happen.

[pg1067]

Wanted to go get Primus tickets.  Saw that they had a presale for the LA show yesterday at their website for $42.00 for the cheap seats.  Opted to wait just in case it gets listed on Groupon for cheap.  Hasn't shown up on Groupon, Tickets on Ticketmaster is like $50.00 for the absolute worst views, $72.00 for a far back seat with a better view, and now I looked today on their website and the $42.00 tickets are gone.

Welp.  Guess I have to either pass or wait to see if Stubhub has a good view for a ticket less than $50.00.  Not likely, but it can happen.

Maybe I'm not remembering correctly, but I don't think there's a bad seat at the Greek Theatre.

[Anguyen92]

All right, I'm re-looking at the seating chart, the far right and left sections of Terrace C doesn't look completely bad in terms of view.  I just don't know if I want to pay the $50.00 for it now or wait for cheaper and better seats.

[Samsara]

I plan on catching the tour in Berkley if I can. I'm not a huge Primus fan, but I do appreciate them, and playing A Farewell to Kings? I'm so there. 

Edit - WTF are promoters thinking with those ticket prices?! I'll be waiting and seeing what's on the secondary market. Christ. LOL

[Anguyen92]

I plan on catching the tour in Berkley if I can. I'm not a huge Primus fan, but I do appreciate them, and playing A Farewell to Kings? I'm so there. 

Edit - WTF are promoters thinking with those ticket prices?! I'll be waiting and seeing what's on the secondary market. Christ. LOL

Maybe promoters pry on the fact that because Rush's final tour was in 2015 and some people never got to see them (like me), they are pushing Primus playing A Farewell to Kings as a way to justify the ticket prices.  Don't think I would be lucky to see a ticket on Groupon for less than $20.00 like I did when I saw Coheed and Cambria/Mastodon as the same venue last year.

[Lethean]

Les Claypool playing The Spirit of Radio in 2012.

https://youtu.be/taS06rvN8gk

A Farewell to Kings may sound like this. I hope he sings it better with more power. The vocals sound weak in this cover, even though the band is fantastic, that Cello player is the best thing from this cover. Also, the reggae section sounds way better in this cover.

I don't think I could make it through a whole set of that.  I think it's awesome that he's such a Rush fan but, speaking for myself only, those vocals are hard to take.

[Cool Chris]

I couldn't make it through 30 seconds of that.

What the heck was up with those masks?

[ytserush]

I saw Primus on the Sailing The Sea Of Cheese and Tales From The Punchbowl tours. I was into them so for me, both were great shows.

I wish I could have seen Primus open For Rush.

Got Stuck with Vinnie Moore, Mr. Big and Candlebox  for the 6 Roll The Bones and Counterparts shows.

[ytserush]

I don't know; I admire Rush for the same reasons I admire my parents (married for 55 years and still going strong) and bands like ZZ Top.  But that doesn't mean that other bands are bad; I learned long ago (1982, to be exact) that all bands aren't - and don't have to be - friends and buddy buddy to make good music.  In fact, for some people, it's the conflict and drama that brings out their best work.   Some people need the fire lit under their ass.

One of the reasons I love King Crimson and The Police.

[TAC]

I saw Primus on the Sailing The Sea Of Cheese and Tales From The Punchbowl tours. I was into them so for me, both were great shows.

I wish I could have seen Primus open For Rush.

Got Stuck with Vinnie Moore, Mr. Big and Candlebox  for the 6 Roll The Bones and Counterparts shows.

Vinnie Moore was cool. Mr Big was nothing but a musical cock tease, and Candlebox blew.

[King Postwhore]

I saw Primus on the Sailing The Sea Of Cheese and Tales From The Punchbowl tours. I was into them so for me, both were great shows.

I wish I could have seen Primus open For Rush.

Got Stuck with Vinnie Moore, Mr. Big and Candlebox  for the 6 Roll The Bones and Counterparts shows.

I never got to see Primus open for Rush.   

[Lupton]

I got to see Primus open for Rush.   Was like in the 12th row in front of stage right. My brother, was a big Primus fan at the time, but not really a fan of Rush stood up on his chair and yelled out in between songs: "Primus sucks!!". Les heard him and gave him one of his classic finger pointing hand signals. He seemed very pleased to hear some support! However, the surrounding crowd, who were all big Rush fans, all gave my brother mortified looks. They apparently did not know anything about Primus and were clearly not in on "the joke". 

Now I would have LOVED to see Voivod open for Rush.

[Orbert]

I guess I'm missing something.  The "joke" is that you yell "Primus sucks!" at Primus?

[Lupton]

I guess I'm missing something.  The "joke" is that you yell "Primus sucks!" at Primus?

Indeed. I think it started when they 1st started playing some guys were following them around at a bowling alley or somewhere like that and kept saying "you guys rule" but guys in the band in a self-deprecating manner said "naw we suck." Then it got to be where Les would introduce the band "We're Primus and we suck!". The title of their 1st release makes reference to this as well (Suck on This)

[Orbert]

Okay, whatever works for you, right?

[Lupton]

Okay, whatever works for you, right?

Doesn't really have anything to do with me. Just trying to be helpful and explain what I (apparently falsely) assumed was pretty much common knowledge among Primus fans:
http://www.ram.org/music/primus/misc/primus_faq.html#sucks

Apparently, chanting "Primus Sucks!" was also the way the fans would try to get the band to come back onstage for encores as well.

[King Postwhore]

Bob, I've chanted it many times. Lol

[SystematicThought]

Didn't Les introduce the band as "We're Primus and We Suck!" one time at a show. That's how it started? It's amazing it stuck. I love people's reactions when they  first hear it and don't know why fans of the band are chanting that they suck

[Orbert]

Okay, whatever works for you, right?

Doesn't really have anything to do with me. Just trying to be helpful and explain what I (apparently falsely) assumed was pretty much common knowledge among Primus fans:
http://www.ram.org/music/primus/misc/primus_faq.html#sucks

Apparently, chanting "Primus Sucks!" was also the way the fans would try to get the band to come back onstage for encores as well.

I wasn't doubting you or anything.  That's a genuine laugh-out-loud, because I really do find it amusing, and whatever works for somebody is fine.  There's a lot of common knowledge that I lack.

[Lupton]

Okay, whatever works for you, right?

Doesn't really have anything to do with me. Just trying to be helpful and explain what I (apparently falsely) assumed was pretty much common knowledge among Primus fans:
http://www.ram.org/music/primus/misc/primus_faq.html#sucks

Apparently, chanting "Primus Sucks!" was also the way the fans would try to get the band to come back onstage for encores as well.

I wasn't doubting you or anything.  That's a genuine laugh-out-loud, because I really do find it amusing, and whatever works for somebody is fine.  There's a lot of common knowledge that I lack.

It's all good man. I'm pretty sure (in general) I know less than you about these sort of band related things. Now...if someone could give me a good explanation why NoFX tolerates being pelted by a hail of ice cubes or whatnot during their performances I'd be greatly appreciative! LOL

[pg1067]

Several pages back(or maybe it was at the Neil Peart thread), there was some discussion about the lyrics to Freewill and the misprint in the lyrics sheet.  I finally found a discussion about Neil reversing course on this.  It’s about 15 posts down here:  http://www.therushforum.com/index.php?/topic/31044-question-about-freewill-lyrics/

[ytserush]

Several pages back(or maybe it was at the Neil Peart thread), there was some discussion about the lyrics to Freewill and the misprint in the lyrics sheet.  I finally found a discussion about Neil reversing course on this.  It’s about 15 posts down here:  http://www.therushforum.com/index.php?/topic/31044-question-about-freewill-lyrics/

Neil just didn't realize it.  I suppose he finally saw proof.

[pg1067]

Several pages back(or maybe it was at the Neil Peart thread), there was some discussion about the lyrics to Freewill and the misprint in the lyrics sheet.  I finally found a discussion about Neil reversing course on this.  It’s about 15 posts down here:  http://www.therushforum.com/index.php?/topic/31044-question-about-freewill-lyrics/

Neil just didn't realize it.  I suppose he finally saw proof.

Yeah, he obviously didn't know about the misprint, and the first question asked wasn't particularly clear.  Someone finally clarified it for him.

[The Curious Orange]

It's known as a mountweazel. Publishers put minor errors into printed song lyrics so that they can identify when other publications, websites, etc are simply copying copyrighted material without approval. It's always happened.

[Zydar]

Alex on Rush's Twitter:

"Just returned from Spring Break with my gKids. We are all self quarantining for 14 days. All travellers should. Looking forward to getting caught up on Netflix! Send your top viewing suggestions."

[ytserush]

Alex on Rush's Twitter:

"Just returned from Spring Break with my gKids. We are all self quarantining for 14 days. All travellers should. Looking forward to getting caught up on Netflix! Send your top viewing suggestions."

Geddy checked in too. Hopefully their supportive statements have made a difference.

[Stadler]

It's known as a mountweazel. Publishers put minor errors into printed song lyrics so that they can identify when other publications, websites, etc are simply copying copyrighted material without approval. It's always happened.

I've seen that done on contract drafts as well, as a test of both whether the contract was read and/or whether it was messed with.   In fact, I got one end of last week that had a mis-capitalization in one of the boiler plate sections.  Since it was boiler-plate (for those that don't know "boiler plate language" is that language that is standard across many contracts and isn't typically messed with or negotiated on any one single deal; choice of law is boiler plate except for the exact location, severability and assignment are examples as well) it struck me that it was likely planted there for a reason. 

[pg1067]

Random question:

Wondering what everyone thinks about the album Working Man - A Tribute to Rush.

This album was released over 20 years ago and features covers of 13 "classic" Rush songs (all from the debut album through Signals, plus Mission).  The album was released on Magna Carta Records.  Only one song (I think it was only one) was performed by an actual band (Closer to the Heart by Fates Warning).  Billy Sheehan and Mike Portnoy played bass and drums on about half the songs, and Stu Hamm was on a handful.  Singers included guys like Jack Russell, Mark Slaughter, Sebastian Bach and James Labrie.  I didn't know who most of the other players were (and I still don't, although I have come to recognize many of the names).  For the most part, I thought it was a very subpar effort, and most of the production sounds very sterile.  Most of the vocals, in particular, were pretty bad.  The one that always stands out is Natural Science, which features Devin Townsend on vocals.  It's one of my favorite Rush songs, but he just butchers it.  I didn't know who he was at the time, and that performance has kept me from even checking out anything else he's done.  Terry Brown was involved in the mixing, but not as a producer.

What do you all think?