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What are the 3 best songs on Clockwork Angels?

Caravan
71 (12.2%)
BU2B
46 (7.9%)
Clockwork Angels
85 (14.6%)
The Anarchist
44 (7.6%)
Carnies
19 (3.3%)
Halo Effect
11 (1.9%)
Seven Cities of Gold
21 (3.6%)
The Wreckers
46 (7.9%)
Headlong Flight
87 (14.9%)
BU2B2
4 (0.7%)
Wish Them Well
16 (2.7%)
The Garden
132 (22.7%)

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Re: Rush v. Dirk, Pratt, & Lerxst
« Reply #3605 on: September 11, 2018, 08:08:49 PM »
I was shocked to be honest. The Hotel California gold disk is amazing sounding.  I was blown away how the remaster blew away the Rush gold disk.

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« Reply #3606 on: September 11, 2018, 08:11:11 PM »
I was blown away how the remaster blew away the Rush gold disk.

That's a lot of blowing.
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« Reply #3607 on: September 11, 2018, 08:12:58 PM »
You would know.

Tim, you never heard of the gold plated disk series?
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« Reply #3608 on: September 11, 2018, 08:13:57 PM »
I hate to do it but....














WTF is the Gold Plated Disk Series? :lol
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« Reply #3609 on: September 11, 2018, 08:15:27 PM »
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« Reply #3611 on: September 11, 2018, 08:28:06 PM »
I had like 6 or 7 of those, and then sold them all a few years later on eBay for like 3-4 times the value of each. #profit

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« Reply #3612 on: September 11, 2018, 08:30:29 PM »
The Signals one has a missing line on The Weapon. 
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« Reply #3613 on: September 11, 2018, 09:34:26 PM »
The Signals one has a missing line on The Weapon.

I was just dropping in to say this.   Apparently they added one line in post production so the original master tapes didn’t have the line.    I think everyone with the band had forgotten that they had done that, and no one realized there was a mistake until after the gold disc had been released.
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« Reply #3614 on: September 11, 2018, 09:35:29 PM »
Oh...and....Power Windows is EASILY an all time top 3 Rush record.
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« Reply #3615 on: September 12, 2018, 12:28:58 AM »
Oh...and....Power Windows is EASILY an all time top 3 Rush record.

Power Windows is magnificent, but I personally prefer Grace Under Pressure when it comes to the 80's era of Rush. Distant Early Warning, Afterimage, Red Sector A, Between the Wheels? Some of the absolute finest songs Rush ever came up with IMO. :metal
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« Reply #3616 on: September 12, 2018, 02:27:28 AM »
I have the Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab gold CD of Dark Side of the Moon, and I have to say the sound quality is amazing. It's the only version where I've been able to hear the "Ticket to Ride" snippet under the final heartbeats.
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« Reply #3617 on: September 12, 2018, 03:14:30 AM »
I have the Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab gold CD of Dark Side of the Moon, and I have to say the sound quality is amazing. It's the only version where I've been able to hear the "Ticket to Ride" snippet under the final heartbeats.


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Re: Rush v. Dirk, Pratt, & Lerxst
« Reply #3618 on: September 12, 2018, 05:06:39 AM »
I'm not quite with Tim on my views of Power Windows, but I have no idea how this fits as a Top 3 record from a band that delivered Moving Pictures, Permanent Waves, A Farewell to Kings, and Hemispheres.  Sure, it's got 8 excellent songs, but nothing jumps out at me as a top 10, or even top 20 Rush song.

It might be a Top 5 album, but no way it out-ranks either of those ones I mentioned, and I might even put 2112 and Clockwork ahead of it.

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« Reply #3619 on: September 12, 2018, 06:04:03 AM »
And I get that but for me, it was such an uplifting album, I was a junior in high school, I just can't get enough of it.
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« Reply #3620 on: September 12, 2018, 07:08:11 AM »
I'm not quite with Tim on my views of Power Windows, but I have no idea how this fits as a Top 3 record from a band that delivered Moving Pictures, Permanent Waves, A Farewell to Kings, and Hemispheres.  Sure, it's got 8 excellent songs, but nothing jumps out at me as a top 10, or even top 20 Rush song.

It might be a Top 5 album, but no way it out-ranks either of those ones I mentioned, and I might even put 2112 and Clockwork ahead of it.

:dunno:

Side A of Moving Pictures is legendary. And then The Camera Eye comes in at the halfway point and just brings the whole album down imo, which is a shame since it's literally a third of the album's total runtime.
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« Reply #3621 on: September 12, 2018, 07:44:34 AM »
I think you don't know the definition of the word. :lol

Also, Welcome To The Real World is a fantastic album.

Agreed.

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« Reply #3622 on: September 12, 2018, 07:49:48 AM »
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« Reply #3623 on: September 12, 2018, 07:50:23 AM »
I'm not quite with Tim on my views of Power Windows, but I have no idea how this fits as a Top 3 record from a band that delivered Moving Pictures, Permanent Waves, A Farewell to Kings, and Hemispheres.  Sure, it's got 8 excellent songs, but nothing jumps out at me as a top 10, or even top 20 Rush song.

It might be a Top 5 album, but no way it out-ranks either of those ones I mentioned, and I might even put 2112 and Clockwork ahead of it.

:dunno:

Side A of Moving Pictures is legendary. And then The Camera Eye comes in at the halfway point and just brings the whole album down imo, which is a shame since it's literally a third of the album's total runtime.

I mean this respectfully, and only in the interest of showing "taste is subjective", but  you praised p/g and slagged The Camera Eye.  It's not a surprise to anyone here because I've said it ad nauseum, but p/g is a BOTTOM three album for me (the only ones I like less are the debut and Roll The Bones) and "The Camera Eye" is a top 10 Rush song for me. 

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« Reply #3624 on: September 12, 2018, 09:00:13 AM »


Side A of Moving Pictures is legendary. And then The Camera Eye comes in at the halfway point and just brings the whole album down imo, which is a shame since it's literally a third of the album's total runtime.

I think your math is failing you if you think a song under 11 minutes is “literally” 1/3 of an album over 40 minutes. :P

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Side A of Moving Pictures is legendary. And then The Camera Eye comes in at the halfway point and just brings the whole album down imo, which is a shame since it's literally a third of the album's total runtime.

I think your math is failing you if you think a song under 11 minutes is “literally” 1/3 of an album over 40 minutes. :P

Right, I meant a quarter of the album's overall running time. I've been busy lately, so my apologies for getting my fractions ever so slightly off. :tup :lol

Point is- The Camera Eye is wayyy too big of a chunk of Moving Pictures imo.

I'm not quite with Tim on my views of Power Windows, but I have no idea how this fits as a Top 3 record from a band that delivered Moving Pictures, Permanent Waves, A Farewell to Kings, and Hemispheres.  Sure, it's got 8 excellent songs, but nothing jumps out at me as a top 10, or even top 20 Rush song.

It might be a Top 5 album, but no way it out-ranks either of those ones I mentioned, and I might even put 2112 and Clockwork ahead of it.

:dunno:

Side A of Moving Pictures is legendary. And then The Camera Eye comes in at the halfway point and just brings the whole album down imo, which is a shame since it's literally a third of the album's total runtime.

I mean this respectfully, and only in the interest of showing "taste is subjective", but  you praised p/g and slagged The Camera Eye.  It's not a surprise to anyone here because I've said it ad nauseum, but p/g is a BOTTOM three album for me (the only ones I like less are the debut and Roll The Bones) and "The Camera Eye" is a top 10 Rush song for me. 

That's a shame to hear. I think P/G is a bit shaky in the middle (nothing terrible though), but kind of like Moving Pictures, it opens really strong and I think it ends on one hell of a highlight with Between the Wheels.
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« Reply #3626 on: September 12, 2018, 09:43:31 AM »
"Between The Wheels" is one of the better tracks, but it's not even a top 10 album closer in the Rush catalogue (I prefer "Working Man", "In The End", "The Fountain of Lamneth", "Something For Nothing", "La Villa Strangiato" (my favorite Rush song  ever), "Natural Science", "Countdown", "Mystic Rhythms", "Available Light", "We Hold On", and "The Garden" (even though massively over-rated) over BTW.)

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« Reply #3627 on: September 12, 2018, 10:08:15 AM »
And I get that but for me, it was such an uplifting album, I was a junior in high school, I just can't get enough of it.

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« Reply #3628 on: September 12, 2018, 10:28:13 AM »
And I get that but for me, it was such an uplifting album, I was a junior in high school, I just can't get enough of it.

So you were 17 in junior high??

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« Reply #3629 on: September 12, 2018, 10:33:06 AM »
Yes, Power Windows is a Top 3 album during the run of Signals through HYF.


I think Signals sounds great. It has aged very well.

Hell, I'd go as far as to say it's a top 3 album if you consider everything from Signals through RtB:  (1) Signals; (2) Presto; (3) Power Windows....  GUP has more good songs than PoW, but PoW sounds better, so it gets a slight edge.


I have no idea how this fits as a Top 3 record from a band that delivered Moving Pictures, Permanent Waves, A Farewell to Kings, and Hemispheres.  . . . nothing jumps out at me as a top 10, or even top 20 Rush song.

Yup.  Marathon might crack the top 75, but that's about it.


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"Between The Wheels" is one of the better tracks, but it's not even a top 10 album closer in the Rush catalogue (I prefer "Working Man", "In The End", "The Fountain of Lamneth", "Something For Nothing", "La Villa Strangiato" (my favorite Rush song  ever), "Natural Science", "Countdown", "Mystic Rhythms", "Available Light", "We Hold On", and "The Garden" (even though massively over-rated) over BTW.)

Mystic Rhythms?  That's a Tai Shan level song.  Available Light, on the other hand, is one of Rush's most underrated songs (and makes up for having Hand Over Fist on Presto).
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« Reply #3630 on: September 12, 2018, 10:44:55 AM »
And I get that but for me, it was such an uplifting album, I was a junior in high school, I just can't get enough of it.

So you were 17 in junior high??

Emotionally, yes. :lol
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« Reply #3631 on: September 12, 2018, 11:12:16 AM »

Mystic Rhythms?  That's a Tai Shan level song.  Available Light, on the other hand, is one of Rush's most underrated songs (and makes up for having Hand Over Fist on Presto).


I never understood the hate for Tai Shan.  I love Hold Your Fire, and I like that song.  I have a theory, but I believe it will be wildly unpopular here, so I'm going to keep it to myself. 

Just for perspective: the so-called 'synth era' has aged very well with me;  I think very highly of the run from Signals - > PW (though side two is weak) - > Hold Your Fire (Prime Mover!!) - > to Presto.  Only p/g is an anchor on that. 

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« Reply #3632 on: September 12, 2018, 11:17:33 AM »
And I get that but for me, it was such an uplifting album, I was a junior in high school, I just can't get enough of it.

So you were 17 in junior high??

Emotionally, yes. :lol

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« Reply #3633 on: September 12, 2018, 11:44:50 AM »
I'd agree that Power Windows is easily one of Rush's best albums. I like Tai Shan a lot as well.

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« Reply #3634 on: September 12, 2018, 12:03:24 PM »
It has always bugged me how, although being generally rank-happy, I am incapable of ranking Rush's discography. It only happens with them and The Beatles, no other act I care about.

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« Reply #3636 on: September 12, 2018, 12:53:36 PM »

Mystic Rhythms?  That's a Tai Shan level song.  Available Light, on the other hand, is one of Rush's most underrated songs (and makes up for having Hand Over Fist on Presto).


I never understood the hate for Tai Shan.  I love Hold Your Fire, and I like that song.  I have a theory, but I believe it will be wildly unpopular here, so I'm going to keep it to myself.

A theory about...??

Anyway, I don't "hate" Tai Shan (that word is reserved for stuff like "Tush" by ZZ Top or the sound a vacuum cleaner makes when a cat is caught in it).  It's just bland and boring.  Mystic Rhythms is worse.


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« Reply #3638 on: September 12, 2018, 01:47:51 PM »

Mystic Rhythms?  That's a Tai Shan level song.  Available Light, on the other hand, is one of Rush's most underrated songs (and makes up for having Hand Over Fist on Presto).


I never understood the hate for Tai Shan.  I love Hold Your Fire, and I like that song.  I have a theory, but I believe it will be wildly unpopular here, so I'm going to keep it to myself.

A theory about...??

Anyway, I don't "hate" Tai Shan (that word is reserved for stuff like "Tush" by ZZ Top or the sound a vacuum cleaner makes when a cat is caught in it).  It's just bland and boring.  Mystic Rhythms is worse.

You asked, so...   I think a good portion of fans reject Tai Shan because Geddy said HE (and the band) didn't care for it.   "Well Geddy doesn't like it, it MUST suck!"   

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« Reply #3639 on: September 12, 2018, 02:14:01 PM »
You asked, so...   I think a good portion of fans reject Tai Shan because Geddy said HE (and the band) didn't care for it.   "Well Geddy doesn't like it, it MUST suck!"   

I wouldn't be surprised if you're right.  For me, however, this month marks the 31st anniversary of me not liking the song.  I didn't become aware of Geddy's or the band's opinion about the song until probably sometime in the last decade (and, in any event, what a particular artist thinks about a particular song is of no relevance at all to me).
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