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What are the 3 best songs on Clockwork Angels?

Caravan
71 (12.2%)
BU2B
46 (7.9%)
Clockwork Angels
85 (14.6%)
The Anarchist
44 (7.6%)
Carnies
19 (3.3%)
Halo Effect
11 (1.9%)
Seven Cities of Gold
21 (3.6%)
The Wreckers
46 (7.9%)
Headlong Flight
87 (14.9%)
BU2B2
4 (0.7%)
Wish Them Well
16 (2.7%)
The Garden
132 (22.7%)

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Re: Rush v. Dirk, Pratt & Lerxst
« Reply #2800 on: November 28, 2017, 07:10:13 PM »
Least favorite songs per album? Okay, I’ll play..

Rush - Need Some Love
Fly By Night - Rivendell
Caress of Steel - I Think I’m Going Bald
2112 - The Twilight Zone
A Farewell to Kings - Madrigal
Hemispheres - The Trees
Permanent Waves - Different Strings
Moving Pictures - Tom Sawyer
Signals - Chemistry
Grace Under Pressure - The Body Wlectric
Power Windows - Mystic Rhythms
Hold Your Fire - Tai Shan
Presto - Superconductor
Roll the Bones - Heresy
Counterparts - The Speed of Love
Test For Echo - Carve Away The Stone
Vapor Trails - Out of the Cradle
Snakes and Arrows - The Way the Wind Blows
Clockwork Angels - BU2B2 (which is more of a segue than a song. Seven Cities of Gold takes this spot otherwise)

And Kattoelox is on my shit list for putting down Freewill, Between the Wheels, and Losing It. Some of my favorite Rush songs ever...

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Re: Rush v. Dirk, Pratt & Lerxst
« Reply #2801 on: November 28, 2017, 08:56:02 PM »
Ok, I'll try this "least favorite from each album" nonsense...

Take a Friend
Rivendell
I Think I'm Going Bald
Lessons *
Closer to the Heart *
Circumstances *
Different Strings *
Limelight *
Countdown
The Body Electric
Grand Designs *
Tai Shan
Superconductor (by a light year)
Roll the Bones
Stick It Out
Dog Years (I really feel like this could have been a great song with some tiny tweaks here and there)
Nocturne
Workin Them Angels
Wish Them Well

Ones with * are still fantastic songs, but if you put a gun to my head those would probably be my answers for those albums....maybe..
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Re: Rush v. Dirk, Pratt & Lerxst
« Reply #2802 on: November 28, 2017, 11:25:38 PM »
Grand Designs least fav? That’s probably my 2nd favorite off that one under Marathon.

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« Reply #2803 on: November 28, 2017, 11:38:30 PM »
In the Mood
Rivendell
Lakeside Park
Something for Nothing
Madrigal
Circumstances
Different Strings
Vital Signs
Digital Man
The Enemy Within
Emotion Detector
High Water
Hand Over Fist
Neurotica
Between the Sun and Moon
Totem/Dog Years (tie)
Nocturne
Good News First
Seven Cities of Gold

In all the early albums, this was nearly impossible.  I even love Rivendell.   With the later albums, some were easy, and some weren't.    Even though TFE is still my favorite of all the 90s albums, the two clunkers that are tied for last are pretty terrible.   
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Re: Rush v. Dirk, Pratt & Lerxst
« Reply #2804 on: November 29, 2017, 04:47:12 AM »
Least favorite songs per album? Okay, I’ll play..

Rush - Need Some Love
Fly By Night - Rivendell
Caress of Steel - I Think I’m Going Bald
2112 - The Twilight Zone
A Farewell to Kings - Madrigal
Hemispheres - The Trees
Permanent Waves - Different Strings
Moving Pictures - Tom Sawyer
Signals - Chemistry
Grace Under Pressure - The Body Wlectric
Power Windows - Mystic Rhythms
Hold Your Fire - Tai Shan
Presto - Superconductor
Roll the Bones - Heresy
Counterparts - The Speed of Love
Test For Echo - Carve Away The Stone
Vapor Trails - Out of the Cradle
Snakes and Arrows - The Way the Wind Blows
Clockwork Angels - BU2B2 (which is more of a segue than a song. Seven Cities of Gold takes this spot otherwise)

And Kattoelox is on my shit list for putting down Freewill, Between the Wheels, and Losing It. Some of my favorite Rush songs ever...

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Re: Rush v. Dirk, Pratt & Lerxst
« Reply #2805 on: November 29, 2017, 05:43:31 AM »
Hmmm - It's hard, as some of those albums don't have a single bad song on them...

Need Some Love
Making Memories
The Fountain of Lamneth
Lessons
Madrigal
Armaggeddon (The Battle of Heart and Mind)
Entre Nous
The Camera Eye
New World Man
The Body Electric
Middletown Dreams
Lock and Key
Anagram (for Mongo)
Heresy
Nobody's Hero
Dog Years
Nocturne
The Way the Wind Blows
Wish Them Well

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Re: Rush v. Dirk, Pratt & Lerxst
« Reply #2806 on: November 29, 2017, 06:33:49 AM »
Freewill is the most annoying Rush song. I strongly dislike the bounciness of the guitar and vocal parts. Spirit of Radio is sooo much better.  :biggrin:
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« Reply #2807 on: November 29, 2017, 06:38:28 AM »
Freewill is the most annoying Rush song. I strongly dislike the bounciness of the guitar and vocal parts. Spirit of Radio is sooo much better.  :biggrin:

OK, your CHOICE, lol.  One of Alex's best solos, Geddy in full on "witch" mode, amazing lyrics.  Top 5 for me!!
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« Reply #2808 on: November 29, 2017, 08:41:17 AM »
The solo and lyrics are good! But that scratchy guitar riff, the bouncy lead line, the vocals that match it make me want to break things. You know what's better? Every other song on PW.  ;)  :lol
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Re: Rush v. Dirk, Pratt & Lerxst
« Reply #2809 on: November 29, 2017, 08:43:36 AM »
Seeing Something For Nothing and The Camera Eye on these lists makes my spleen hurt.


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Re: Rush v. Dirk, Pratt & Lerxst
« Reply #2810 on: November 29, 2017, 09:13:33 AM »
Freewill is all kinds of awesome live.

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« Reply #2811 on: November 29, 2017, 09:55:08 AM »
Freewill is all kinds of awesome live.
This!  The Exit Stage Left version rocks, and on the Time Machine blu-ray Alex rips the solo, Geddy nails the vocals and bass lines, and Neil goes superhuman on us...   :metal :metal :metal
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Re: Rush v. Dirk, Pratt & Lerxst
« Reply #2812 on: November 29, 2017, 10:01:53 AM »
I tried to build a least favorite list. Just couldn't so I gave up. I can't, in good conscience, pick a least from every album.

The best from every album list was way easier. This was just impossible for me.
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« Reply #2813 on: November 29, 2017, 11:45:35 AM »
. . .
A Farewell To Kings: Madrigal (Cinderella Man is close)
. . .
Signals: Losing It
. . .
Vapor Trails: Earthshine (or Freeze, unsure on this)
Snakes And Arrows: Armor and Sword
. . .

More (good natured) rebuttal:

:omg:  BLASPHEMY!!!   Cinderella Man is such a great song and so often overlooked.  The chords Alex plays are so nuanced, and the way that the three of them play their various parts around each other is just amazing.  Of course, AFTK is one of those albums without a bad note on it (although I could probably live happily without hearing Closer to the Heart again -- even though I like the song, I've heard it enough).

I've always loved Losing It.  I was going to say it was so very different from anything they'd done to that point, but it's actually reminiscent of Tears and Madrigal.  Seeing Rush play this song live at the last show on the R40 tour was one of THE highlights of my concert going life.

I would say that Earthshine and Armor and Sword are my favorite song on those two albums.
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« Reply #2814 on: November 29, 2017, 11:46:59 AM »

Clockwork Angels: Mom, not played it enough but I enjoy it all when I do

Pretty sure my Mom has not played it enough either.


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« Reply #2815 on: November 29, 2017, 11:51:59 AM »
Freewill is all kinds of awesome live.
This!  The Exit Stage Left version rocks, and on the Time Machine blu-ray Alex rips the solo, Geddy nails the vocals and bass lines, and Neil goes superhuman on us...   :metal :metal :metal

Agree, agree, and agree (although I can understand that the melody line of the verses is a bit sing-songy)!

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« Reply #2816 on: November 29, 2017, 12:42:17 PM »
Nice! That would be a tough section to play on bass for sure.. Awesomeness!
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« Reply #2817 on: November 29, 2017, 12:44:18 PM »
. . .
A Farewell To Kings: Madrigal (Cinderella Man is close)
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Signals: Losing It
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Vapor Trails: Earthshine (or Freeze, unsure on this)
Snakes And Arrows: Armor and Sword
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More (good natured) rebuttal:

:omg:  BLASPHEMY!!!   Cinderella Man is such a great song and so often overlooked.  The chords Alex plays are so nuanced, and the way that the three of them play their various parts around each other is just amazing.  Of course, AFTK is one of those albums without a bad note on it (although I could probably live happily without hearing Closer to the Heart again -- even though I like the song, I've heard it enough).

I've always loved Losing It.  I was going to say it was so very different from anything they'd done to that point, but it's actually reminiscent of Tears and Madrigal.  Seeing Rush play this song live at the last show on the R40 tour was one of THE highlights of my concert going life.

I would say that Earthshine and Armor and Sword are my favorite song on those two albums.

 :lol I don't think they're BAD! Just underwhelming. Well, Madrigal and Cinderella Man are a bit of a drag, but out of 19 albums, having a tiny handful of 'boring' tracks isn't such a bad record :) I'd rather have a boring track than an annoying one like Freewill, hehe.
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« Reply #2818 on: November 29, 2017, 12:48:37 PM »
 I will choose Freewill,   I chose to like that song!
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Re: Rush v. Dirk, Pratt & Lerxst
« Reply #2819 on: November 29, 2017, 05:19:16 PM »
Freewill is awesome.

Least favorites:

Take a Friend
Rivendell
I Think I'm Going Bald
Lessons
Madrigal
Circumstances
Entre Nous
Vital Signs
Countdown
Red Lenses
Emotion Detector
Second Nature
Superconductor
You Bet Your Life
The Speed of Love
Time and Motion
The Stars Look Down
Far Cry
BU2B

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« Reply #2820 on: November 29, 2017, 06:41:20 PM »
Favorite songs? Impossible.

Least favorite?  Easy.

You Can't Fight It
Need Some Love
Working Man
Fly By Night
Limelight
Superconductor
Face Up
The Speed Of Love
Carve Away The Stone
Crossroads (Clapton cover)

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« Reply #2821 on: November 29, 2017, 07:06:39 PM »
Favorite songs? Impossible.

Least favorite?  Easy.

You Can't Fight It
Need Some Love
Working Man
Fly By Night
Limelight
Superconductor
Face Up
The Speed Of Love
Carve Away The Stone
Crossroads (Clapton cover)
Limelight? Working Man? Crossroads?  ???   Wow man!  Lol
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« Reply #2822 on: November 29, 2017, 07:56:37 PM »
Favorite songs? Impossible.

Least favorite?  Easy.

You Can't Fight It
Need Some Love
Working Man
Fly By Night
Limelight
Superconductor
Face Up
The Speed Of Love
Carve Away The Stone
Crossroads (Clapton cover)
Limelight? Working Man? Crossroads?  ???   Wow man!  Lol

Totally cool with not liking them much.

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« Reply #2823 on: November 29, 2017, 08:19:57 PM »
Seeing Something For Nothing and The Camera Eye on these lists makes my spleen hurt.

Consider the albums they are coming from. 

That being said, SFN was a favorite of mine from 2112 when I first heard the album, but time hasn't been kind to it.  It's a bit too repetitive for long term repeated listens. 
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« Reply #2824 on: November 30, 2017, 08:08:19 AM »
Superconductor... 

By the way, Feedback is excellent.   You can have Crossroads (that's more about the song itself than the interpretation) but the first four songs on that are amazing.  Mr. Soul?   They MUST be Canadian to out-do Neil Young! 

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« Reply #2825 on: November 30, 2017, 10:59:56 AM »
Least faves per album for me:

Need Some Love
Beneath Between and Behind
I Think I'm Going Bald
A Passage to Bangkok
Madrigal
The Trees
Different Strings
Vital Signs
Countdown
The Enemy Within
Mystic Rhythms
Tai Shan
Red Tide
Roll the Bones
Animate
Dog Years
Earthshine
Bravest Face
The Wreckers
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« Reply #2826 on: November 30, 2017, 11:03:55 AM »
Favorites per album for me:

Working Man
By-Tor and the Snow Dog
Bastille Day
Tears
Xanadu
Circumstances
Natural Science
YYZ
Analog Kid
Between the Wheels
Manhattan Project/Marathon/Territories (tie)
Force Ten
Available Light
Where's My Thing?
Everyday Glory
Driven
Freeze
The Main Monkey Business
Clockwork Angels/The Garden (tie)
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« Reply #2827 on: November 30, 2017, 11:15:03 AM »
Least favorites?

Need Some Love
Cinderella Man
Hemispheres
Tai Shan
Dog Years
Seven Cities of Gold (Intro to this song is great though!)

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« Reply #2828 on: November 30, 2017, 11:27:41 AM »
Lots of people putting Need Some Love on their least favorites... damn! I love that song!
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« Reply #2829 on: November 30, 2017, 12:10:59 PM »
Seeing Something For Nothing and The Camera Eye on these lists makes my spleen hurt.

Consider the albums they are coming from. 

That being said, SFN was a favorite of mine from 2112 when I first heard the album, but time hasn't been kind to it.  It's a bit too repetitive for long term repeated listens.

My feelings exactly.  I'm sure I heard both the album version and the live version on ATWAS fairly close to the same time (sophomore or junior year of high school in 82 or 83), and it was such a kick-ass song.  Nowadays, thought, I can take it or leave it.  I also agree that the only reason there are "least favorite" songs on 2112 through Moving Pictures is because those albums are perfection or near perfection from top to bottom.

By the way, the only reason Superconductor isn't the worst song on Presto is because Scars and Hand Over Fist exist.  Superconductor could've been good; the main 7/4 riff isn't bad; but the prechorus and chorus with that "other" voice that says/sings "superconductor" are just embarrassing.
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« Reply #2830 on: November 30, 2017, 12:55:03 PM »
Favorites per album for me:

This is nearly impossible for some albums, but I'll take a stab:

Working Man
By-Tor
Bastille Day
2112 (if I have to narrow it down, I'd go with Soliloquy/Grand Finale)
Xanadu/Cygnus Book 1 (this is a true 1a and 1b situation, with the title track and Cinderella Man being a VERY close 2a and 2b)
La Villa
Jacob's Ladder/Natural Science (another 1a/1b situation)
Tom Sawyer/Limelight
Subdivisions
Between the Wheels
Marathon
Mission
Available Light
Ghost of a Chance (honestly hard pressed to find a song on RtB that's worthy of being called a "favorite")
Stick It Out
Driven or Resist
Earthshine
Armor and Sword
Headlong Flight

As with the "least favorite" list, I skipped Feedback, which I listened to once when it came out and haven't listened since and probably won't ever do so again.  It's fine for what it is, but I have no interest in it.
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« Reply #2831 on: November 30, 2017, 03:20:12 PM »

By the way, the only reason Superconductor isn't the worst song on Presto is because Scars and Hand Over Fist exist.  Superconductor could've been good; the main 7/4 riff isn't bad; but the prechorus and chorus with that "other" voice that says/sings "superconductor" are just embarrassing.

Probably the coolest part of the song.  I like that it's something different.   Then again, I think "Presto" is one of their best albums, so there's that.

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« Reply #2832 on: November 30, 2017, 03:26:21 PM »

By the way, the only reason Superconductor isn't the worst song on Presto is because Scars and Hand Over Fist exist.  Superconductor could've been good; the main 7/4 riff isn't bad; but the prechorus and chorus with that "other" voice that says/sings "superconductor" are just embarrassing.

Probably the coolest part of the song.  I like that it's something different.   Then again, I think "Presto" is one of their best albums, so there's that.

I think Presto is their best album released between 1983 and 2001.   ;D
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« Reply #2833 on: November 30, 2017, 03:49:34 PM »
That's a funny way to spell Power Windows  :biggrin:
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« Reply #2834 on: November 30, 2017, 04:24:22 PM »
That's a funny way to spell Power Windows  :biggrin:

I can't say Presto is light years better than Power Windows.  In fact, I'd probably rank Power Windows second in that period, but that's really not saying much.  For starters, Presto has about 12 minutes of content more than Power Windows, so the comparison is a little unfair.  As I've mentioned, Presto has some of Rush's all-time clunkers:  Scars, Superconductor and Hand over Fist.  But Show Don't Tell, The Pass, Presto and Red Tide are all strong songs, and Available Light is Rush's single most underrated songs.

Power Windows, on the other hand, has only two high points:  Manhattan Project and Marathon.  From a sonic point of view, Power Windows is an improvement on the very harsh and trebly tone of Grace Under Pressure, but the problem isn't, by any means completely gone, and Geddy's bass tone is worse.  Marathon is a great song as it is, but I would love to hear a studio version of the song with a full acoustic kit, Geddy playing the Rickenbacker or Fender Jazz, and Alex with his Permanent Waves era tone.  The blasting synth/sequencer sounds pervade the album, starting with The Big Money, which is probably the third best song on the album.  The rest of the album, including all of side two has very little worth listening to.
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