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Re: Why Isn't American Football More Popular Outside of America?
« Reply #315 on: September 17, 2012, 10:55:31 PM »
While I was munching on some post-Volleyball bar food today, the Denver vs. Atlanta game was on, and I noticed one more thing that doesn't exactly entice other nations: The pants. First of all they look like something a 70s porn actor would wear, and at the back they also have these things that look like they're wearing Maxi Pads up their butt. You wouldn't see me dead wearing those.
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Re: Why Isn't American Football More Popular Outside of America?
« Reply #316 on: September 17, 2012, 11:48:02 PM »
The entire 'play time' complaint is silly because in american football control of the clock is in itself a game mechanic.
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Re: Why Isn't American Football More Popular Outside of America?
« Reply #317 on: September 18, 2012, 12:46:39 AM »
One thing I thought about this weekend while watching football is that although there is tine off between play, while watching on TV you get to see a replay and football has great replays as the game really is a game of inches.

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Re: Why Isn't American Football More Popular Outside of America?
« Reply #318 on: September 18, 2012, 05:04:38 AM »
Another problem with that article is that it was only counting from the snap of ball to the blow of the whistle.  The play doesn't start at the snap of the ball.  It actually starts when both teams line up, because that is when the quarterback has time to look at the defensive set and bark out any audibles or adjustments to the offense before the ball is snapped.  Also, the defenses many times change up their look before the actual snap of the ball.  None of that is dead time with nothing going on.  There is a lot going on.
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Re: Why Isn't American Football More Popular Outside of America?
« Reply #320 on: September 21, 2012, 04:16:17 AM »
 :lol. I wish I had expressed that as funny as this guy did
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Re: Why Isn't American Football More Popular Outside of America?
« Reply #321 on: May 23, 2014, 10:48:31 AM »
I will flip it and say I wished european football was as lighthearted and family oriented amongst fans like american football. Not to say there aren't hardcore fans within american football but from what I can see it's alot more of a celebration and gathering for something fun instead of riots among supporter groups like we have every fucking day there is a match in town. It's always supporters vs the police every single time and it's pretty tiring to say the least. About a month ago there was a fan who got beaten to death by a supporter in my town. The night before some supporters trashed a bar and assaulted guests. All this takes the fun away from a sport that can be exciting to watch.


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Re: Why Isn't American Football More Popular Outside of America?
« Reply #322 on: May 23, 2014, 02:28:05 PM »
I will flip it and say I wished european football was as lighthearted and family oriented amongst fans like american football. Not to say there aren't hardcore fans within american football but from what I can see it's alot more of a celebration and gathering for something fun instead of riots among supporter groups like we have every fucking day there is a match in town. It's always supporters vs the police every single time and it's pretty tiring to say the least. About a month ago there was a fan who got beaten to death by a supporter in my town. The night before some supporters trashed a bar and assaulted guests. All this takes the fun away from a sport that can be exciting to watch.

That depends a lot on which country the games are at. Greece, Turkey, Italy tend to have more aggressive fans while Spain, France or Germany have fans that don't end up destroying anything, they just go and enjoy games.
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Re: Why Isn't American Football More Popular Outside of America?
« Reply #323 on: May 23, 2014, 03:47:20 PM »
I'm highlighting the bad stuff but of course the majority of fans tend to know how to be civilized human beings. The aggressive supporters will always make the headlines though. Here in Sweden alot of the violence is usually not about the sport per se they only use the sport as an excuse to live out their need for aggression. It's as you say though diffrent depending on what country you live in.
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Re: Why Isn't American Football More Popular Outside of America?
« Reply #324 on: May 23, 2014, 05:57:34 PM »
I'm highlighting the bad stuff but of course the majority of fans tend to know how to be civilized human beings. The aggressive supporters will always make the headlines though. Here in Sweden alot of the violence is usually not about the sport per se they only use the sport as an excuse to live out their need for aggression. It's as you say though diffrent depending on what country you live in.
That's almost entirely the case here. In fact, that's almost entirely the case with any riot at all. Championship riots happen here in a variety of sports, but it's almost always because people want to blow off some steam and be part of a mob for a while (and steal shit). The real football (American) related animosity and assholery is more about beer and misguided team loyalty. Do a search for "Eagle's fans" and you'll see one example after another of that. Still, it's not those guys that are going to destroy the city if they win a championship (a non-factor for them in any event).
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Re: Why Isn't American Football More Popular Outside of America?
« Reply #325 on: May 23, 2014, 11:19:01 PM »
I don't know why I didn't see this waaay back when the thread was started; and I won't go back and read through all the posts; but having played "football" through high school and college, I can tell you exactly why it's not as popular in Europe and other countries as it is here. It all boils down to what you grew up with as a kid. Kids in European countries especially haven't been exposed to the game, so when they grow up, and become adults who spend money on their team, they are not going to spend money on a sport they didn't grow up with in the first place; nor are they going to expose their own kids to the sport either. Look at Hockey in Canada and even Northern US states. Kids play hockey all the time on frozen lakes and ponds during the winter, from an awfully early age.

I recall in the early 70's a football game between Cincinnati and Pittsburgh on Monday Night Football. The game was in Cincinnati, and it started snowing very hard outside. My friends and I all put on our Ken Anderson jerseys and ran outside and played in the snow until our moms all yelled at us to put on coats; then we came inside, drank hot chocolate and watched the game until we had to go to bed. We grew up playing "Kill the Man With the Ball" in the back yard. We played Pee Wee football, pick-up games in the neighborhood, and then in High School, and some of us college. We grew up with the sport.

That is the same reason that kids play baseball so much in Latin and South America. In Europe it's primarily soccer.

(Soccer btw was a term originated by the Brits at Oxford. Short for "Association". So it's Soccer. Get over it)

I for one, find soccer more boring than watching flies fuck. When you watch flies fuck, at least you know something is scoring! How is it fun to watch a bunch of people run around for 90 minutes kicking a ball back and forth and no one scores? Ever. Yawwwwwn. That's why that one announcer screams "GOOOOOOAAAAAALLLL!!!" It's to wake everybody the fuck up.

Anyway. Football is gaining popularity. It's played in Canada (granted by kids with weak ankles but still...  :) ) And look at places like American Samoa. It's become a way of life for most young men there now. Mexico City is begging the NFL for a team. Japan is starting to take notice (but baseball reigns supreme there by far); and football is gaining in popularity in Eastern European countries.

As for which is tougher, Rugby or Football...well I'm biased. But, I had a chance to meet Margus Hunt from the Bengals at a fundraiser this past winter. Margus is from Estonia. He played and excelled at a number of track and field sports, winning a ton of international accolades. He had a chance to play for (and save really) the SMU track team a few years ago, but when he got to the states, SMU dropped their track program. He was set to transfer to another school, when the SMU football coach asked him to try out for the football team.

Margus is a freak of nature. At the time he was 6'8" and weighed nearly 300 pounds. Picture "The Mountain" from GoT (okay a bit of a stretch as he's about 100 lbs lighter than that Norsk beast but you get the idea). He was an animal at SMU. The Bengals drafted him last year, and he struggled to learn the complexities and speed of the pro game. Margus and I swapped stories about college football. I played D1 football, and can tell you that the collisions we took were literally like being in a high speed auto accident every Saturday during the season. My body is beaten down now all these years later as a result. Margus agreed with me. He had played Rugby, and was not prepared for the aggressiveness and violence of the game. He swears that the majority of rugby players (even professionally) couldn't do very well playing even at the collegiate level. Another example of this is that Lindsay Crook, a pro rugby player from Australia came to Cincinnati last year to enroll at the University of Cincinnati. He turned down a spot on the Olympic team to follow his life long dream of playing "football" in America. The UC staff says it will take him at least two years to adjust to the speed, complexities, and hits of the game. Yes, football players wear pads; but if they didn't guys would get killed every week.
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Re: Why Isn't American Football More Popular Outside of America?
« Reply #326 on: May 26, 2014, 12:32:37 AM »
Decided to read this thread from post one, but here's my thoughts before this.

Hmmm.  I think everyone else likes soccer (world football) a lot more than American football and thinks very little of American football since the foot part is not really a big aspect of the game, unless you run the ball.

It's not as high-paced action as hockey which is big in certain parts of Europe, Canada, obviously, and, at times (most likely the Olympics), the US.

Also, probably, people just does not want to spend money on football equipment for kids and rather invest it on a soccer ball for physical activity.

Another thing and this may be pointless information, but the timing of when the game goes to commercials really hurts the flow of the game badly.  I mean, the way I remember how they time it.  After a team gets a point (touchdown or field goal), it's commercial.  After the commercial, there's the kickoff and after that's done, there's another commercial.  I mean, in that sense, the league benefits it due to the ad revenue, but it hurts the timing of the game pretty badly where in the end, it hurts the excitement, imo.
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Re: Why Isn't American Football More Popular Outside of America?
« Reply #327 on: May 26, 2014, 07:50:21 AM »
Just to chime in on the rioting in soccer, yeah, it has essentially nothing to do with sports. Many of the people who riot don't even buy a ticket for the game; they show up in front of the venue, and then wait for the same type of guys from the other city to show up so they can start fighting. Sometimes they even coordinate, as ridiculous as that sounds.

Tempus, regarding the "soccer is boring", it *can* be of course boring, but don't tell me American Football doesn't have boring games. You as an outsider only see the final result, the goal, but for soccer fans the interesting part is the 30 seconds before that, where the winning team outwitted the defense several times.
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Re: Why Isn't American Football More Popular Outside of America?
« Reply #328 on: May 26, 2014, 11:59:49 AM »
I love american football myself, but going off my own initial reactions as well as people I know, I think the main problem people have with the sport is that it's just so start-and-stop-y. There's so many pauses, both between quarters (and half-time) as well as all the pauses within the actual game. It took me quite some time to get into the sport myself, because for someone who watches mostly soccer (which for the most part has very little pauses), the pauses are hard to get used to. In many other sports you can reach a point in the game when the intensity is through the roof, and one team is dominating the other team for 10-15 minutes in a row. American football is different. With time outs, all the stops between plays and the 4 quarters, the sport just has another pace to it. Sure, some teams can completely slaughter others in american football as well (we saw that in the last super bowl), but my point is that the nature of the sport itself might be hard for some people to get into. Watching the SB for example is a 4-5 hour event, compared to a football or hockey game which are over faster, and have nowhere near as many stops/pauses in them.

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Re: Why Isn't American Football More Popular Outside of America?
« Reply #329 on: May 26, 2014, 12:09:13 PM »
Soccer is global and an easy sports for kids to play with no equipment.  Got a field and a ball, you've got a game.  Though you can do that with American football, most associate with helmets and pads so I think in other countries less affluent, soccer is an easy sport to play.
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Re: Why Isn't American Football More Popular Outside of America?
« Reply #330 on: May 26, 2014, 12:40:16 PM »
Soccer is global and an easy sports for kids to play with no equipment.  Got a field and a ball, you've got a game.  Though you can do that with American football, most associate with helmets and pads so I think in other countries less affluent, soccer is an easy sport to play.

I'm gonna go further, only thing you need is a bottle and a couple jackets, it's that easy
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Re: Why Isn't American Football More Popular Outside of America?
« Reply #331 on: May 26, 2014, 12:48:14 PM »
Soccer is global and an easy sports for kids to play with no equipment.  Got a field and a ball, you've got a game.  Though you can do that with American football, most associate with helmets and pads so I think in other countries less affluent, soccer is an easy sport to play.
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I'm going to say this again. Everyone should start watching Aussie rules. It's truly a good middle ground... so why isn't it popular throughout the world? Not meaning for this question to be properly answered, it's rhetorical.

I don't quite understand all the rules yet, but the sport itself is awesome. See for yourself.
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-Scoring is pretty much 6 points in between the middle posts, 1 point in between the outer posts. You must kick the ball in.
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-You must cannot pass the ball by throwing, and you must bounce it on the ground every 15 meters if you're running with the ball.

I should start following this sport diligently...

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Re: Why Isn't American Football More Popular Outside of America?
« Reply #332 on: May 26, 2014, 02:04:30 PM »
I suspect that the reason American Football isn't more popular outside of America is the same reason that American Football is not more popular in my house. I fucking hate advertisements- presumably like most people- and the benefits of watching football (for me) do not come close to mitigating the boredom I experience when bombarded with ads and constant stop-and-go. I realize it's likely not that simple, but I think it does a fine job of capturing the general distaste most have with American Football.

If I had grown up immersed in the culture of American Football, like so many Americans do, I would likely appreciate it much more and subsequently be happy to sit through the rest of the muck along the way (as I do for basketball). 

Tempus, regarding the "soccer is boring", it *can* be of course boring, but don't tell me American Football doesn't have boring games. You as an outsider only see the final result, the goal, but for soccer fans the interesting part is the 30 seconds before that, where the winning team outwitted the defense several times.
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Re: Why Isn't American Football More Popular Outside of America?
« Reply #333 on: May 26, 2014, 04:23:47 PM »
I'm going to say this again. Everyone should start watching Aussie rules. It's truly a good middle ground... so why isn't it popular throughout the world? Not meaning for this question to be properly answered, it's rhetorical.

I don't quite understand all the rules yet, but the sport itself is awesome. See for yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxhqXzVBen4

You might also like Gaelic Football:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEAbWrdB9XU

BTW, one thing that American Football has at least over Baseball is that American Football playoffs don't have the word "World" in it.
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Re: Why Isn't American Football More Popular Outside of America?
« Reply #334 on: May 26, 2014, 05:18:27 PM »
I only have a couple friends who are into Gridiron in New Zealand. 

I think for most countries outside of the murices', the desire to see grown men smash each other and chase a ball is filled largely by Rugby Union and Rugby League. 

They're both generally faster and more exciting than Gridiron, with less stoppages and more... I dunno, 'real' tackles and hit ups due to the lack of pussy-ass body armour :P

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Re: Why Isn't American Football More Popular Outside of America?
« Reply #335 on: May 26, 2014, 05:24:19 PM »
Also, I think the rules in American Football are overly complicated for a newbie. I've been following the sport for a few years, and I still don't know many of the different rules. With Soccer, you can basically pick up all the rules from watching one game. The Offside-rule might take some time understanding, but with American Football there's so much stuff going on. Different rules, different penalties, and there's a reason why the refs sometimes have to take a 1-2 minute break to decide on a situation.


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Re: Why Isn't American Football More Popular Outside of America?
« Reply #336 on: May 26, 2014, 05:26:28 PM »
It's gonna be interesting to see how American Football will recruit their talent in the coming years. I know conservatives had a field day with it, but I totally agreed with Obama when he said he wouldn't let his son, if he had one, play (professional) football. I mean, of the professional sports out there, it's certainly one of those that has the highest chance of really fucking you up. I can't count the number of times I've heard the sentence "yeah, I used to play football, but then this one hit took out my knee/back/neck etc".
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Re: Why Isn't American Football More Popular Outside of America?
« Reply #337 on: May 26, 2014, 07:18:42 PM »
You might also like Gaelic Football:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEAbWrdB9XU
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« Reply #338 on: May 26, 2014, 08:21:29 PM »
It's gonna be interesting to see how American Football will recruit their talent in the coming years. I know conservatives had a field day with it, but I totally agreed with Obama when he said he wouldn't let his son, if he had one, play (professional) football. I mean, of the professional sports out there, it's certainly one of those that has the highest chance of really fucking you up. I can't count the number of times I've heard the sentence "yeah, I used to play football, but then this one hit took out my knee/back/neck etc".

It's a huge problem for Football.  They need to figure out a way to make it safer or else, yeah, it will die out because no one will play it.  If I had a son, I'm not sure I'd let him play Football either.
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« Reply #339 on: May 26, 2014, 11:06:40 PM »
I'm going to say this again. Everyone should start watching Aussie rules. It's truly a good middle ground... so why isn't it popular throughout the world? Not meaning for this question to be properly answered, it's rhetorical.

Unlike other countries, we can't even come up with a "football" that the entire country cares about. :lol We have a few different major football codes here, and they're each only popular in one state.
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« Reply #340 on: May 26, 2014, 11:11:27 PM »
pussy-ass body armour :P


Sure...because without it, the players couldn't deliver the full speed, crippling, bone jarring hits that they do; and they would be just as sissified as the wimps who play rugby. :P   :biggrin:
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Re: Why Isn't American Football More Popular Outside of America?
« Reply #341 on: May 26, 2014, 11:20:37 PM »
I don't know why people mock Football players for wearing pads.  If they didn't, a player would probably die every game.  That's not a joke.
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« Reply #342 on: May 27, 2014, 01:08:56 AM »
That is the ONLY reason football players wear pads and a helmet. In the early days of the game too many men were dying playing football.  In the early 1900's it was downright lethally brutal. With little or no protective equipment, players sustained gruesome injuries—wrenched spinal cords, crushed skulls and broken ribs that pierced their hearts. The Chicago Tribune reported that in 1904, there were 38 football deaths and 159 serious crippling injuries; most of which were players in high school!! Newspapers ran weekly football obituaries during the football season. The NY Times ran a piece calling for the game to be abolished saying, “This once athletic sport has degenerated into a contest that for brutality is little better than the gladiatorial combats in the arena in ancient Rome." Dozens of newspapers agreed, and Congress was ready to step in with bills banning football. Instead, President Theodore Roosevelt steped in and told them to find out a way to save men's lives or football would be outlawed. Things were very slow to change, and in 1905 alone, 19 more players were killed and over 150 left crippled. After that season more than 2 dozen colleges dropped their football programs, and instead switched to rugby.

Now the game has progressed by eons with regard to player safety since then; but players have also gotten much bigger, much faster and much stronger since then too. Even with all that equipment in the last 20 years at least 75 players (primarily in high school) have died due to head injury. The average concussion in football is equivalent to ramming your head into a brick wall at 20 mph. The average G forces sustained from helmet to helmet hits in college is five times more than fighter pilots sustain during tight turns and dives. The amount of force in an average open field hit now ranges from 1,200-2,000 pounds of force. That's insane. That's literally like having a ton of bricks fall into you while you're running towards it. There are 350 pound linemen now who run 40 yards in less than 5 seconds.

Now, I'm not saying that Rugby isn't rough. Sure it is. But comparisons between American football and Rugby over simplify any meaningful similarities. The hits, tackles and general contact in Rugby are not nearly as hard or jarring as in American football. Nor are they supposed to be. The games are by design different and therefore create different types of collisions.

I played football at the highest level in college that there is. I suffered about a half dozen concussions. I worry about those long term effects, I really do. And the multitude of lessor injuries I suffered in my 20's, now have come back to haunt me with pain and lack of mobility in my 50's. About 8 years ago now, I was experiencing horrific back pain. I went to an orthopedic specialist who did xrays then told me that my sacrum was nearly broken all the way through and across from its edge to my spine all the way across on my left side. He feels strongly it happened while I was in college. You can see that it at one time partially healed, but age and osteoarthritis have done their magic on the break, and worked it loose again. Now the only way to heal it is to have it fused, which might cause more pain than I have now. I played linebacker on defense, and apparently it's a fairly common injury with linebackers and defensive lineman. I probably didn't even know it when it happened, or if I did the pain was minor then. I can honestly say, many of those hits I took in college were brutal. I tell people, it was like being in a serious car crash every week during the season.

But especially now, the players are continually getting faster, and larger, and stronger. All components to escalate the amount of force delivered with each hit. I foresee football rules dramatically changing again, or the sport will eventually be banned in the next 10-15 years.

But please stop this bullshit that football is somehow easy or not rough because the players wear pads. That's like saying Delta Force soldiers are pussies because they wear kevlar vests. They're not.
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Re: Why Isn't American Football More Popular Outside of America?
« Reply #343 on: May 27, 2014, 09:29:46 AM »
I agree.  The people who put down football because of pads are insane.  The comparison to a big time NFL hit to a car crash is fairly accurate. 

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Re: Why Isn't American Football More Popular Outside of America?
« Reply #344 on: May 27, 2014, 10:55:19 AM »
Yeah, I would put Football up there in terms of brutality with sports like boxing. Saying it's sissy is a stupid comment, in fact if anything, I would call playing the sport at a professional level "suicidal".

I also have no idea how they would "fix" it. Football is by design a high-impact sport, and the fact that we're just not willing anymore to accept the types of injuries that come from it, might mean it will slowly become less prominent.
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Re: Why Isn't American Football More Popular Outside of America?
« Reply #345 on: May 27, 2014, 11:07:36 AM »
One idea I heard that I really liked.

Football players should have to weigh in like in boxing.  Certain positions, especially linemen, should have weight caps so they don't get too big.

To me this makes so much sense in terms of player safety.  And it would actually make the game better to watch because speed and skill would become more emphasized.
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Re: Why Isn't American Football More Popular Outside of America?
« Reply #346 on: May 27, 2014, 11:40:48 AM »
One idea I heard that I really liked.

Football players should have to weigh in like in boxing.  Certain positions, especially linemen, should have weight caps so they don't get too big.

To me this makes so much sense in terms of player safety.  And it would actually make the game better to watch because speed and skill would become more emphasized.

That sounds good but I would go more for a rugby kind of rule where players are only allowed to do clean tackles, no over the shoulder tackle, no bumping against another guy to make him fall down. That would make it a little less pleasing for the fans that are looking for people getting hit hard but it would ease things on the players.
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Re: Why Isn't American Football More Popular Outside of America?
« Reply #347 on: May 27, 2014, 12:04:06 PM »
Is that the only source of bad impacts though? I always assumed the scrimmage line was pretty bad too.
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Re: Why Isn't American Football More Popular Outside of America?
« Reply #348 on: May 27, 2014, 12:06:11 PM »
They are already trying to eliminate the "bad" tackling with the rules implemented recently.  Its a start I guess.  I however do not like that they are changing the game so much.  Id rather the league give players better health benefits for the long term, have players sign contracts with the NFL that they understand the bodily damage they will recieve, and let the people who want to play and make the big bucks continue.  I guess its not the nicest POV on the situation, but as long as people are willing to make those risks, I say let them.

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Re: Why Isn't American Football More Popular Outside of America?
« Reply #349 on: May 27, 2014, 12:14:31 PM »
Problem is health benefits are meaningless when it comes to brain damage.
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