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Study states new pop music has indeed become more homogeneous
« on: July 30, 2012, 11:43:26 AM »
https://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2012/07/science-music

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Dr Serrà began with the basic premise that music, like language, can evolve over time, often pulled in different directions by opposing forces. Popular music especially has always prized a degree of conformity—witness the enduring popularity of cover songs and remixes—while at the same time being obsessed with the new. To untangle these factors, Dr Serrà's team sifted through the Million Song Dataset, run jointly by Columbia University, in New York, and the Echo Nest, an American company, which contains beat-by-beat data on a million Western songs from a variety of popular genres. The researchers focussed on the primary musical qualities of pitch, timbre and loudness, which were available for nearly 0.5m songs released from 1955 to 2010.

They found that music today relies on the same chords as music from the 1950s. Nearly all melodies are composed of ten most popular chords. They follow a similar pattern to written texts, where the most common word occurs roughly twice as often as the second most common, three times as often as the third most common, and so on, a linguistic regularity known as Zipf's law. What has changed is how the chords are spliced into melodies. In the 1950s many of the less common chords would chime close to one another in the melodic progression. More recently, they have tended to be separated by the more pedestrian chords, leading to a loss of some of the more unusual transitions. Timbre, lent by instrument types and recording techniques, similarly shows signs of narrowing, after peaking in the mid-60s, a phenomenon Dr Serrà attributes to experimentation with electric-guitar sounds by Jimi Hendrix and the like.
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Re: Study states new pop music has indeed become more homogeneous
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2012, 11:45:24 AM »
People will still deny it...because they believe what they want to believe.   

Still...it's nice to have what I already knew verified by science.   :angel:
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Re: Study states new pop music has indeed become more homogeneous
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2012, 12:04:44 PM »
This article is awfully vague.  From what I understand, chordal and timbral experimentation peaked in the 50's-60's, right?  So what exactly do we have to be proud about, if most of the music discussed here is from the 70's-80's and beyond?

I'd read the actual study (because the article is so vague), but it looks very dense.
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Re: Study states new pop music has indeed become more homogeneous
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2012, 12:06:00 PM »
The article makes reference to popular music, not music overall.
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Re: Study states new pop music has indeed become more homogeneous
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2012, 12:07:28 PM »
Yes, and I'd venture to say that the vast majority of us listen to at least some popular music.
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Re: Study states new pop music has indeed become more homogeneous
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2012, 12:12:29 PM »
I agree however most of the music discussed in this forum is a little far from being popular.
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Re: Study states new pop music has indeed become more homogeneous
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2012, 12:31:25 PM »
Well, alright.  It's my worry that people will see the thread title, give the article a cursory glance, and conclude that it's now scientifically proven that they're better than most people. :lol
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Re: Study states new pop music has indeed become more homogeneous
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2012, 12:34:50 PM »
But that's the whole point of posting this article in this forum!  :lol
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Re: Study states new pop music has indeed become more homogeneous
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2012, 12:36:21 PM »
It was all done earlier by Mozart, anyway.  :metal

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Re: Study states new pop music has indeed become more homogeneous
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2012, 12:39:14 PM »
We really needed a study to show this?
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Re: Study states new pop music has indeed become more homogeneous
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2012, 01:38:19 PM »
It doesn't say what it's defined as "popular music".

They've also ignored things like tone, style, rhythm, tempo, and many more.

This seems to me like the sort of study that gives science a bad name.
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Re: Study states new pop music has indeed become more homogeneous
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2012, 02:14:52 PM »
Quote from: ariich on July 30, 2012, 01:38:19 PM
It doesn't say what it's defined as "popular music".

They've also ignored things like tone, style, rhythm, tempo, and many more.

This seems to me like the sort of study that gives science a bad name.

I'm hearing Bon Jovi all over this Rich. :lol
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Re: Study states new pop music has indeed become more homogeneous
« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2012, 02:21:22 PM »
 :lol

I agree with you Rich, a little bit more detail is needed but I think that's more of a problem of the article than the study itself. I'll see if I can get something more detailed so we can rightfully bash horrible music  :P
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Re: Study states new pop music has indeed become more homogeneous
« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2012, 02:56:02 PM »
Science!
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Re: Study states new pop music has indeed become more homogeneous
« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2012, 03:30:49 PM »
Quote from: ariich on July 30, 2012, 01:38:19 PM
It doesn't say what it's defined as "popular music".

They've also ignored things like tone, style, rhythm, tempo, and many more.

This seems to me like the sort of study that gives science a bad name.

Quote from: theseoafs on July 30, 2012, 12:31:25 PM
Well, alright.  It's my worry that people will see the thread title, give the article a cursory glance, and conclude that it's now scientifically proven that they're better than most people. :lol

This is why I've avoided pretty much all discussion of this article with a ten foot pole.  Its only going to make me facepalm. 
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Re: Study states new pop music has indeed become more homogeneous
« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2012, 03:47:33 PM »
I will only say that yes, the definition of popular music in this article is too broad, or probably is. Because Radiohead.
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Re: Study states new pop music has indeed become more homogeneous
« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2012, 03:57:04 PM »
Quote from: Super Dude on July 30, 2012, 03:47:33 PM
I will only say that yes, the definition of popular music in this article is too broad, or probably is. Because Radiohead.

I don't put Radiohead as popular music.  I always equate top 40 like Beyonce as popular.
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Re: Study states new pop music has indeed become more homogeneous
« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2012, 03:57:22 PM »
Quote from: kingshmegland on July 30, 2012, 02:14:52 PM
Quote from: ariich on July 30, 2012, 01:38:19 PM
It doesn't say what it's defined as "popular music".

They've also ignored things like tone, style, rhythm, tempo, and many more.

This seems to me like the sort of study that gives science a bad name.

I'm hearing Bon Jovi all over this Rich. :lol
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« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2012, 04:50:07 PM »
Doesn't change the fact that Call Me Maybe is THE GREATEST SONG EVER.
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Re: Study states new pop music has indeed become more homogeneous
« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2012, 05:01:19 PM »
Quote from: Gadough on July 30, 2012, 04:50:07 PM
Doesn't change the fact that Call Me Maybe is THE GREATEST SONG EVER.

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Re: Study states new pop music has indeed become more homogeneous
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2012, 06:15:28 PM »
Quote from: Gadough on July 30, 2012, 04:50:07 PM
Doesn't change the fact that Call Me Maybe is THE GREATEST SONG EVER.

And pi is exactly 3.  ;)
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Re: Study states new pop music has indeed become more homogeneous
« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2012, 06:16:41 PM »
Quote from: Nel on July 30, 2012, 06:15:28 PM
Quote from: Gadough on July 30, 2012, 04:50:07 PM
Doesn't change the fact that Call Me Maybe is THE GREATEST SONG EVER.

And pi is exactly 3.  ;)

Actually, neither of these assertions are true.
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Re: Study states new pop music has indeed become more homogeneous
« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2012, 06:18:34 PM »
We'll have to conduct a scientific experiment to verify that.
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Re: Study states new pop music has indeed become more homogeneous
« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2012, 09:01:50 PM »
Quote from: Nel on July 30, 2012, 06:15:28 PM
Quote from: Gadough on July 30, 2012, 04:50:07 PM
Doesn't change the fact that Call Me Maybe is THE GREATEST SONG EVER.

And pi is exactly 3.  ;)

And Rarity is best pony. ;)
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Re: Study states new pop music has indeed become more homogeneous
« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2012, 09:08:37 PM »
Well, this is one of the sillier things I've seen this month.
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Re: Study states new pop music has indeed become more homogeneous
« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2012, 09:09:10 PM »
Quote from: Gadough on July 30, 2012, 09:01:50 PM
Quote from: Nel on July 30, 2012, 06:15:28 PM
Quote from: Gadough on July 30, 2012, 04:50:07 PM
Doesn't change the fact that Call Me Maybe is THE GREATEST SONG EVER.

And pi is exactly 3.  ;)

And Rarity is best pony. ;)

But that one's actually is true.  :millahhhh
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« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2012, 09:50:55 PM »
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