2012-08-19/20 - Luna Park - Buenos Aires, ARG (being filmed for DVD)

[Mladen]

So how come Luna Park isn't an outdoor venue? James said they performed there plenty of times, he might have got some venues mixed up.

And I have no idea why the hell would they care about Black clouds and silver linings when they're promoting A Dramatic turn of events. The only song off the album they've played on tour with Mangini is The Count of Tuscany, and even that was performed only on last year's summer leg before the new album came out, and it was already confirmed it won't be played due to being too long. I seriously doubt they would learn a song from BC&SL for their last leg on this tour just so they could release it on a DVD. We'll get one of those songs on one of the future releases, I can see Wither being in the standard rotation on the next tour, so that's a possibility for the next DVD along with The Count. ANTR won't be played because of Mike's vocals, AROP isn't really needed on a DVD, and it goes without saying that we will never see the remaining two songs off the album in concert.

[Nekov]

So how come Luna Park isn't an outdoor venue? James said they performed there plenty of times, he might have got some venues mixed up.

4 nights to be precise but let's give him a break, he has probably performed in over 100 arenas. I doubt he can remember them all.

[KevShmev]

I think it's quite silly that they wont be playing The Count of Tuscany. I love Metropolis (and a lot of the other material they'v e been doing live on the latest tours) but how many live versions of it do we really need?

To reiterate what I said in another thread a few weeks back, on all of the band's officialy released DVDs (not counting the Ytsejam releases or live CDs), you know how many live versions of Metropolis we have gotten with just the five band members playing it?  Zero.  That's right.  Zero.  The Score version had the orchestra and the version of 5 Years... cuts the ending off.  So, I'd say a live version of a full Metropolis with just the five is loooooooooong overdue on an officially released live DVD.

[Progmetty]

Amen to that.

[Implode]

Edit: Nevermind. You said DVD.

[IdoSC]

i hope they don't ignore BCSL. Even without MP, they already played a song from the 12 steps suite, they already released 19-minute long songs in a DVD (even longer than that), they already played ANTR without MP on vocals while auditioning, and nothing stops them from playing Wither or AROP.

The only song they're unlikely to play is my favorite, The Best of Times, but at this point I just want live footage of BCSL songs that wasn't taken from Summer Sonic.

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

AROP is lame, I really hope they don't bring that up. I'd like either Nightmare or Tuscany from that record, it makes the most sense. I think Petrucci can do the "ROOOOOOOOOOOOOO" part just well (As a matter of fact, I always liked his rough voice more than MP's, with The Glass Prison as an example).

[IdoSC]

AROP is lame, I really hope they don't bring that up. I'd like either Nightmare or Tuscany from that record, it makes the most sense. I think Petrucci can do the "ROOOOOOOOOOOOOO" part just well (As a matter of fact, I always liked his rough voice more than MP's, with The Glass Prison as an example).

Even AROP would be great for the sake of avoiding the possibility of BCSL turning into the new Space-Dye Vest. It's a little better when played live.

And I honestly think that JLB can pull of rough vocals perfectly well, and he could always bring back one of the softer arrangements they suggested when they were writing the song.

[Mladen]

he could always bring back one of the softer arrangements they suggested when they were writing the song.

This is a possibility. It's just like playing the demo versions of Hollow years or Lines in the sand, which they have busted out on some tours.

[DTFan0789]

I just want "The Count of Tuscany", my favorite DT epic next to Octavarium.

[ResultsMayVary]

I really want to see To Live Forever, a song or two from FII, and The Glass Prison on the DVD. After that, as long as they pull out some old songs that Mangini hasn't played yet, I'll be happy. I want to see them play a fewer of the older songs Mangini hasn't played yet instead of playing the same tunes from the past few North American and European tours. I understand the bulk of the setlist will be of songs they have already played, but that shouldn't stop them from one or two never-before-played (by Mangini) tunes.

[MoraWintersoul]

...and he could always bring back one of the softer arrangements they suggested when they were writing the song.

That would be so cool!

OR.
They can bring Peter Wildoer to growl those lines like a man *dreams*

[wkiml]

TGP is on the Gigantour DVD

[wasteland]

I'm betting on Learning To Live being played. I've got that feeling.

[Nekov]

I totally hope the play LTL 

[ResultsMayVary]

TGP is on the Gigantour DVD

That DVD doesn't really count to me. I'd also rather them have TGP on a DVD where the tempo is close to the album version, anyway.

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

TGP is on the Gigantour DVD

That DVD doesn't really count to me. I'd also rather them have TGP on a DVD where the tempo is close to the album version, anyway.

They've been playing album tempos only since Mangini is the band.

[IdoSC]

...and he could always bring back one of the softer arrangements they suggested when they were writing the song.

That would be so cool!

OR.
They can bring Peter Wildoer to growl those lines like a man *dreams*

I really didn't like neither Akerfeldt's live take on that in Progressive Nation, nor the demo where MP tried cookie monster vocals/imitating Akerfeldt. As much as I love Wildoer on Static Impulse, I don't think he would make it better somehow.

[ResultsMayVary]

TGP is on the Gigantour DVD

That DVD doesn't really count to me. I'd also rather them have TGP on a DVD where the tempo is close to the album version, anyway.

They've been playing album tempos only since Mangini is the band.

That's why I'm hoping they will play TGP on the DVD.

[DTFan0789]

Has anyone given any thought as to how they're going to present this on video given that it's being shot over 2 nights? It'd be weird if James LaBrie was wearing one shirt in one song, and then in the very next song he has a different shirt on, you know what I'm saying?

[SystematicThought]

Van Halen is the worst offender when it comes to editing. Their live DVD featured wardrobe changes shot to shot

[ResultsMayVary]

Has anyone given any thought as to how they're going to present this on video given that it's being shot over 2 nights? It'd be weird if James LaBrie was wearing one shirt in one song, and then in the very next song he has a different shirt on, you know what I'm saying?

It would be really cool to see them treat night #1 as set #1 and night #2 as set #2. That way the wardrobe situation would not matter at all and they can keep the smooth and planned transitions between the songs in each set (instead of splicing songs together).

[Ben_Jamin]

I feel we're going to get a Mangini drum solo.

[Nekov]

Has anyone given any thought as to how they're going to present this on video given that it's being shot over 2 nights? It'd be weird if James LaBrie was wearing one shirt in one song, and then in the very next song he has a different shirt on, you know what I'm saying?

It would be really cool to see them treat night #1 as set #1 and night #2 as set #2. That way the wardrobe situation would not matter at all and they can keep the smooth and planned transitions between the songs in each set (instead of splicing songs together).

That depends on how much the sets vary. They might as well wear the same clothes both nights.

[TAC]

Has anyone given any thought as to how they're going to present this on video given that it's being shot over 2 nights? It'd be weird if James LaBrie was wearing one shirt in one song, and then in the very next song he has a different shirt on, you know what I'm saying?

It would be really cool to see them treat night #1 as set #1 and night #2 as set #2. That way the wardrobe situation would not matter at all and they can keep the smooth and planned transitions between the songs in each set (instead of splicing songs together).

That depends on how much the sets vary. They might as well wear the same clothes both nights.

Yeah, I wonder how John Myung is gona handle that!

[ResultsMayVary]

I feel we're going to get a Mangini drum solo.

MM, JR, and JP will all get solo spots. MM confirmed this on one of his facebook posts.

[MoraWintersoul]

MM, JR, and JP will all get solo spots. MM confirmed this on one of his facebook posts.

Sweet, more "wankery"-accusations from the uninitiated

[Jamariquay]

Hm. So, songs that 100% will get played:

On The Backs Of Angels
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
Lost Not Forgotten
This Is The Life
Bridges In The Sky
Outcry
Far From Heaven
Breaking All Illusions
Beneath The Surface (I think it was either JP or James who said they'd work their way through the whole album).

Songs that are very likely:
6:00
Surrounded
Metropolis, Pt. 1 (no version with just the band)
The Dark Eternal Night
The Root Of All Evil
A Fortune In Lies

Songs that would need to get played again on the SA leg to be considered likely (but then would be considered likely):
These Walls
Forsaken
Ytse Jam
Peruvian Skies
Caught In A Web
Fatal Tragedy

Songs that are easy enough to learn and play, even though they haven't shown up much (or lately):
Wait For Sleep
The Silent Man
Another Day
To Live Forever

Songs that could likely show up, but have already appeared on a recent (last ten years, not terrible CIM) DVD, so I'd be kinda annoyed, but still supportive:
Endless Sacrifice
As I Am
Pull Me Under
Under A Glass Moon
War Inside My Head
The Test That Stumped Them All
The Spirit Carries On
The Root Of All Evil (I'm putting it on both lists. It has a new ending, so that might be enough for it to appear then, if that rule still applies)

Songs that will likely not appear due to variable factors (length, audience reaction, etc):
The Count Of Tuscany
The Great Debate
Learning To Live (I really hope I'm wrong, but I don't see it showing up)

Wildcard:
Space-Dye Vest. Jordan and James played it at a solo show last year, so clearly they like the song OK. It's really up to Petrucci, I guess.

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

MM, JR, and JP will all get solo spots. MM confirmed this on one of his facebook posts.

Sweet, more "wankery"-accusations from the uninitiated

I think that JR's solo spot will the piano solo he's been playing before Surrounded, and JP's solo spot will be the solo that he's been playing before The Spirit Carries On.

[Nekov]

Seems very likely though I'd love to see a JP solo in the acoustic section.

[bosk1]

It makes sense to have solo spots on the DVD.  They're playing two nights, so there is definitely space.  Plus, John and Jordan have had solo spots all tour, and Mike did before this last U.S. leg as well.  While I'm not a fan of drum solos, it makes perfect sense to have one for Mike on this DVD.  I just hope we get good camera angles and not a lot of fast cutaways.  I want to be able to actually see what he is doing.

[KevShmev]

That's all nice and fun, but where in the hell is JLB's solo spot?  Are they gonna let his tambourine skills go to waste??

[TAC]

That's all nice and fun, but where in the hell is JLB's solo spot?  Are they gonna let his tambourine skills go to waste??

Not to mention those mad keyboard skills as he had to "help" Jordan with his 8V intro!

[Nekov]

I had forgotten about JLB playing keyboards in 8VM. That would be fun to watch again

[IdoSC]

That's all nice and fun, but where in the hell is JLB's solo spot?  Are they gonna let his tambourine skills go to waste??

That one's the best we're gonna get
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyQOLI9b_10&feature=plcp