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« Reply #2415 on: April 09, 2021, 06:58:44 AM »
Apparently the website is paywalled for many people so I've posted below today's Daily Mail top story for anyone who can't access it:


"Prince Philip Dead at 99

Prince Philip - the Queen's consort - has died at the age of 99. It comes as stories emerge that Philip begged on his deathbed to see his grandson Harry one last time but wife Meghan - nicknamed Mental Meg by leading psychologists - refused to let him leave Los Angeles. Apparently the couple were due to attend a BLM meeting on Saturday followed by a series of lectures by 13-year-old feminist writer Jessykka Mann (author of the best-selling 'His Nuts Are Your Property') on Sunday.

Palace sources told the Daily Mail: "Prince Philip's dying wish was to be reunited with his beloved grandson. Unfortunately when we tried to contact Harry his wife said he couldn't come to the phone because he was busy ironing her dress for the evening"

This is not the first time divorced mixed-raced Meghan has been the cause of family troubles. She is estranged from her father and her ex-husband described her as "A shallow, mercenary, ruthlessly manipulative gold-digger, which is typical of her kind". Asked if he thought Meghan's cruel treatment of her in-laws had contributed to Philip's untimely death at the age of 99, Meghan's no-longer-suffering ex said: "There is not a doubt in my mind"

The Royal Family have maintained a typically dignified silence in the face of Meghan's constant attacks.

In other royal news, the Royal Family are maintaining a typically dignified silence as reports emerged that Prince Andrew has again been caught on camera jacking off to images of..."




Ok I cut off the rest of the article to save space.

RIP Philip! Eff you Meg!
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Re: P/R side chat thread, v. I am not a number I am a free man
« Reply #2416 on: April 09, 2021, 07:08:30 AM »
Well, I don't know about any of that Meg stuff, but for sure RIP to Prince Phillip.

We have been watching The Crown lately, and although I am sure that a good deal of those portrayals of him are fictional, it's been interesting to have the illusion of getting to know him.
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Re: P/R side chat thread, v. I am not a number I am a free man
« Reply #2417 on: April 09, 2021, 10:37:57 AM »
Apparently the website is paywalled for many people so I've posted below today's Daily Mail top story for anyone who can't access it:


"Prince Philip Dead at 99

Prince Philip - the Queen's consort - has died at the age of 99. It comes as stories emerge that Philip begged on his deathbed to see his grandson Harry one last time but wife Meghan - nicknamed Mental Meg by leading psychologists - refused to let him leave Los Angeles. Apparently the couple were due to attend a BLM meeting on Saturday followed by a series of lectures by 13-year-old feminist writer Jessykka Mann (author of the best-selling 'His Nuts Are Your Property') on Sunday.

Palace sources told the Daily Mail: "Prince Philip's dying wish was to be reunited with his beloved grandson. Unfortunately when we tried to contact Harry his wife said he couldn't come to the phone because he was busy ironing her dress for the evening"

This is not the first time divorced mixed-raced Meghan has been the cause of family troubles. She is estranged from her father and her ex-husband described her as "A shallow, mercenary, ruthlessly manipulative gold-digger, which is typical of her kind". Asked if he thought Meghan's cruel treatment of her in-laws had contributed to Philip's untimely death at the age of 99, Meghan's no-longer-suffering ex said: "There is not a doubt in my mind"

The Royal Family have maintained a typically dignified silence in the face of Meghan's constant attacks.

In other royal news, the Royal Family are maintaining a typically dignified silence as reports emerged that Prince Andrew has again been caught on camera jacking off to images of..."




Ok I cut off the rest of the article to save space.

RIP Philip! Eff you Meg!

I'm not sure if you've suddenly become a writer for "The Daily Mail", or if that is a comparable outlet to The Onion.  Either way, I got a bit of a chuckle.

RIP to the Duke of Ed
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« Reply #2418 on: April 09, 2021, 01:57:36 PM »
^^ The Daily Mail is a British right-wing tabloid newspaper that drip-feeds its readers a steady stream of racist, xenophobic and gynophobic panic-porn. As such, Meghan Markel is evil incarnate.

For an overview of how differently the British gutter press treat Kate Middleton (white, English, keeps her mouth shut) and Meghan Markel (mixed-race, American, gives her opinion when no man asked for it), take a look at this:

https://www.boredpanda.com/uk-media-double-standarts-royal-meghan-markle-kate-middleton
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Re: P/R side chat thread, v. I am not a number I am a free man
« Reply #2419 on: April 09, 2021, 02:03:15 PM »
The avocado one  :rollin

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Re: P/R side chat thread, v. I am not a number I am a free man
« Reply #2420 on: April 09, 2021, 02:41:43 PM »
^^ The Daily Mail is a British right-wing tabloid newspaper that drip-feeds its readers a steady stream of racist, xenophobic and gynophobic panic-porn. As such, Meghan Markel is evil incarnate.

For an overview of how differently the British gutter press treat Kate Middleton (white, English, keeps her mouth shut) and Meghan Markel (mixed-race, American, gives her opinion when no man asked for it), take a look at this:

https://www.boredpanda.com/uk-media-double-standarts-royal-meghan-markle-kate-middleton
I can't find it now, but this morning FOX actually pushed an article stating that one of their own talking heads was blaming the Oprah interview for his death.
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« Reply #2421 on: April 09, 2021, 02:43:36 PM »
Are those real? :lol
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« Reply #2422 on: April 09, 2021, 03:06:01 PM »
^^ The Daily Mail is a British right-wing tabloid newspaper that drip-feeds its readers a steady stream of racist, xenophobic and gynophobic panic-porn. As such, Meghan Markel is evil incarnate.

For an overview of how differently the British gutter press treat Kate Middleton (white, English, keeps her mouth shut) and Meghan Markel (mixed-race, American, gives her opinion when no man asked for it), take a look at this:

https://www.boredpanda.com/uk-media-double-standarts-royal-meghan-markle-kate-middleton
I can't find it now, but this morning FOX actually pushed an article stating that one of their own talking heads was blaming the Oprah interview for his death.

There'll be a lot of that in the days to come. That parody article I wrote at the top will be almost word for word spot-on come the end of next week in either the Daily Mail or one of the Murdoch rags.

Meanwhile British terrestrial TV has cancelled all its evening programming in order to deify the guy who said "It’s a pleasure to be in a country that isn't ruled by its people" to Paraguayan dictator Alfredo Stroessner, and who as recently as 2002 asked Aboriginal leader William Brin: "Do you still throw spears at each other?"

The guy was a product of his time, I'm not flexing my woke credentials here, he's from a time before racism was bad (David Brent reference) and when the common proles were kept away from matters of government. He also didn't ask to be a Greek immigrant who lived on welfare for his entire life, so I'm not even blaming him for being a leech. But the absolute state of British TV and media right now, fawning over this guy. I'm sorry Elizabeth is widowed and Charles, Edward and Anne (fuck Andrew) have lost their father, but this is 2021 and we're STILL taking these parasitic remnants of a feudal aristocracy this seriously?
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Re: P/R side chat thread, v. I am not a number I am a free man
« Reply #2423 on: April 09, 2021, 03:11:16 PM »
Apparently the website is paywalled for many people so I've posted below today's Daily Mail top story for anyone who can't access it:


"Prince Philip Dead at 99

Prince Philip - the Queen's consort - has died at the age of 99. It comes as stories emerge that Philip begged on his deathbed to see his grandson Harry one last time but wife Meghan - nicknamed Mental Meg by leading psychologists - refused to let him leave Los Angeles. Apparently the couple were due to attend a BLM meeting on Saturday followed by a series of lectures by 13-year-old feminist writer Jessykka Mann (author of the best-selling 'His Nuts Are Your Property') on Sunday.

Palace sources told the Daily Mail: "Prince Philip's dying wish was to be reunited with his beloved grandson. Unfortunately when we tried to contact Harry his wife said he couldn't come to the phone because he was busy ironing her dress for the evening"

This is not the first time divorced mixed-raced Meghan has been the cause of family troubles. She is estranged from her father and her ex-husband described her as "A shallow, mercenary, ruthlessly manipulative gold-digger, which is typical of her kind". Asked if he thought Meghan's cruel treatment of her in-laws had contributed to Philip's untimely death at the age of 99, Meghan's no-longer-suffering ex said: "There is not a doubt in my mind"

The Royal Family have maintained a typically dignified silence in the face of Meghan's constant attacks.

In other royal news, the Royal Family are maintaining a typically dignified silence as reports emerged that Prince Andrew has again been caught on camera jacking off to images of..."




Ok I cut off the rest of the article to save space.

RIP Philip! Eff you Meg!

I have to be honest, I've read the Daily Mail before and for a second there I thought this was a true article  :lol

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« Reply #2424 on: April 09, 2021, 03:13:15 PM »
^^ The Daily Mail is a British right-wing tabloid newspaper that drip-feeds its readers a steady stream of racist, xenophobic and gynophobic panic-porn. As such, Meghan Markel is evil incarnate.

For an overview of how differently the British gutter press treat Kate Middleton (white, English, keeps her mouth shut) and Meghan Markel (mixed-race, American, gives her opinion when no man asked for it), take a look at this:

https://www.boredpanda.com/uk-media-double-standarts-royal-meghan-markle-kate-middleton
I can't find it now, but this morning FOX actually pushed an article stating that one of their own talking heads was blaming the Oprah interview for his death.

There'll be a lot of that in the days to come. That parody article I wrote at the top will be almost word for word spot-on come the end of next week in either the Daily Mail or one of the Murdoch rags.

Meanwhile British terrestrial TV has cancelled all its evening programming in order to deify the guy who said "It’s a pleasure to be in a country that isn't ruled by its people" to Paraguayan dictator Alfredo Stroessner, and who as recently as 2002 asked Aboriginal leader William Brin: "Do you still throw spears at each other?"

The guy was a product of his time, I'm not flexing my woke credentials here, he's from a time before racism was bad (David Brent reference) and when the common proles were kept away from matters of government. He also didn't ask to be a Greek immigrant who lived on welfare for his entire life, so I'm not even blaming him for being a leech. But the absolute state of British TV and media right now, fawning over this guy. I'm sorry Elizabeth is widowed and Charles, Edward and Anne (fuck Andrew) have lost their father, but this is 2021 and we're STILL taking these parasitic remnants of a feudal aristocracy this seriously?

No, no, no, the niggers are the West Indians.  These people are wogs! 

edit:  They actually kind of look alike, now that I think about it. (The prince and The Major, not the East and West Indians :lol)
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« Reply #2425 on: April 09, 2021, 03:25:08 PM »
Are those real? :lol
Sadly, yes.

I remember about 20 years ago Jerry Springer was asked his opinion of the differences between British and American media. His response was: "Our television is far worse than yours. Your newspapers are far worse than ours".

I agree with him, and I have a theory on why it's so. In Britain we have very strict standards for what it shown on television, because everything is controlled by OFCOM, a regulatory and competition authority for the broadcasting industry. This is why Fox News is no longer on the air in the UK, Murdoch pulled it because of all the fines he was getting for all the nonsense his shows spew out. A show like Sean Hannity or Tucker Carlson simply didn't make financial sense in Britain because every advertising dollar they made riling up right-wing simpletons was being spent paying off OFCOM fines. The Kremlin-backed RT (Russia Today) faced the same problem.

The newspaper industry in Britain doesn't have the same controls, and it's why a scumbag like Murdoch can buy up The Times and The Sun while also being blocked by the government from acquiring British Sky Broadcasting (as happened to him some years ago), or why shady Russians like Evgeny Lebedev (now 'Lord Lebedev' for fuck's sake) can buy The Independent, crooks like Robert Maxwell (father of Ghislaine Maxwell of the Jeffrey Epstein scandal) can acquire the Daily Mirror, convicted felons like the Barclay Brothers can buy The Daily Telegraph, and that racist piece of shit 'Viscount' Rothermere can buy the Daily Mail. None of those characters would be allowed to acquire TV channels in the UK but they can buy papers, and the result is, all of the racist, xenophobic, tribalistic bile in Britain is spewed out in our newspapers, whereas in America it's spewed out on your TV.
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Re: P/R side chat thread, v. I am not a number I am a free man
« Reply #2426 on: April 09, 2021, 04:47:21 PM »
Very poignant from Springer.  It confuses me now. :lol

Thing is, people love drama.  I refuse to watch reality TV because of this.
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« Reply #2427 on: April 09, 2021, 06:30:14 PM »
The problem with reality TV is not the drama, it's that it glorifies stupid people doing dumb shit. It is no wonder that a lot of societies, not just the US, are becoming dumber. These people are shown as the role-model for easy success. It's disgusting honestly
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« Reply #2428 on: April 09, 2021, 07:10:50 PM »
Dave, what would be an example of something Hannity or Carlson would be fined for?
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« Reply #2429 on: April 09, 2021, 07:22:49 PM »
Dave, what would be an example of something Hannity or Carlson would be fined for?
Most recently the events of January 6th (it's what finally kicked Murdoch out of British TV).

"The mob that stormed the Capitol could not have existed in a country that hadn't been radicalized by the likes of Fox News hosts Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham" (Margaret Sullivan)

Fox News has a classic right-wing tactic: they "just ask questions". And after they "just ask" those questions, they immediately ask "Why can't we just ask questions anymore?"

The strategy here being, they "just ask questions" but never actually invite onto their shows people who are qualified to answer their questions for them. Because they know that their audience are not interested in answers, they only need to have the questions imbedded into their dumb and fearful little brains.

You'll find this stupid shit in Britain's right-wing press, but you won't find it on our TV.
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« Reply #2430 on: April 09, 2021, 07:28:39 PM »
Here's the thing though.  I watched cartoons using a frying pan as a weapon  yet I knew the difference from right and wrong.

Unfortunately there are those who are easily influenced. 
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« Reply #2431 on: April 10, 2021, 01:19:56 PM »
Here's the thing though.  I watched cartoons using a frying pan as a weapon  yet I knew the difference from right and wrong.

Unfortunately there are those who are easily influenced.
That's the difficult balance broadcasting watchdogs have to strike. In September last year Fox News' lawyers argued (successfully) in court that no reasonable person would take what Tucker Carlson says as factual. As the judge wrote: "Fox persuasively argues that given Mr. Carlson's reputation, any reasonable viewer arrives with an appropriate amount of skepticism about the statements he makes."

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/917747123/you-literally-cant-believe-the-facts-tucker-carlson-tells-you-so-say-fox-s-lawye

That's the issue here. The vast majority of people know that Hannity and Carlson are not presenting real information, they're radicalising an audience for profit. And they're clever in how they do it. Hannity, Carlson, Ingraham and Pirro did not say on air that the election was stolen. Instead they "just asked questions" about Dominion voting systems (they stopped when Dominion started suing them). Other networks and newspapers "just asked" those questions too, and – unlike Fox - they also had them answered by experts. And it's the same with climate change ("why can't we ask questions anymore about the extent of man's impact on climate??" - you can, and there is no shortage of climate scientists who'll answer those questions for you, but you never have them on your programmes), or vaccinations ("why can't we just ask questions anymore about how safe the Covid vaccine is??" - you can, and experts will be happy to answer them for you) or masks ("why can't we just ask questions any more about the effectiveness of masks??" - you get the idea).

It's a powerful tactic when you consider that many people really aren't interested in finding answers to the questions they are "just asking", and it’s an especially effective thing to do on a channel like Fox, which plays to an audience that is prone to believing in conspiracy theories.  “Why can’t we ask questions?” plays to their core idea that the truth is being suppressed.  “Just asking questions” is one of the ways people who put their faith in stupid people create what they imagine to be a level playing field with people who put their faith in knowledgeable people.  Fauci can’t answer a particular question or was wrong about a particular thing? Well I guess that means Trump’s guesswork is just as valid!

And in the interests of balance I’ll say that CNN use equally insidious tactics, but they are fundamentally different, because they play to a different kind of stupidity. Fox viewers are paranoid and generally poorly-informed, whereas CNN’s core audience approaches things from a ‘right and wrong’ perspective, which is why they throw out shit like “There is no evidence of wrong-doing by Hunter Biden” (I’ll write a separate post about this in a minute). CNN estimates (correctly) their audience to be smug and self-satisfied and so they’ll reassure their audience that their heroes are ok to believe in because “there has been absolutely no evidence to suggest criminal activity”.

But yeah, it’s a tricky one. I guess it’s similar to the whole ‘violent movies’ debate. We don’t ban films just because one crackpot might go shoot up a school, and by the same token we shouldn’t ban Tucker Carlson just because dumbasses might actually believe the election was stolen and storm the Capitol chanting “hang Mike Pence”. That said I far prefer the British system that doesn't allow propaganda on its TV, just in its papers (which are dying out anyway)
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« Reply #2432 on: April 10, 2021, 01:23:54 PM »
So about Hunter Biden, because to this day it’s still a story that irritates the piss out of me. I’ve written at length on here about the shady shit that America did in Ukraine back in 2013/2014, with Joe Biden as the main architect, and I won’t repeat it all. You can type "Burisma" into the search function of this site and you’ll be taken to my posts.

But…last week Hunter Biden gave an interview in which he said he used to crawl across his carpet in search of pieces of crack to smoke, and because he was so fucked up he would sometimes mistake cheese for crack and would smoke that instead:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-smoke-parmesan-cheese-resembled-crack

I looked up the dates of his drug-addled escapades, and yep, they coincide with the time his daddy installed him on the board of Burisma (Ukrainian energy giant), despite having absolutely zero experience in…well, in anything really. This absolute fuck-up who had never worked in the energy industry in his life and spoke not a word of Ukrainian was crawling in the dirt looking for anything he could smoke or inject while banking millions from 'Burisma' (inverted commas because it was really the Ukrainian people he was stealing a 'living' from) for his job as an “advisor” (how exactly do you “advise” on something you are utterly clueless about?).

But hey, why not? Is it "illegal" to overthrow a democratically-elected regime and enrich your otherwise unemployable fuck-up of a kid? Not in a world controlled by America it’s not. There is, as CNN loves to say, "absolutely no evidence of illegal activity by the Bidens". And it’s true, there isn't! Because being corrupt and self-serving scumbags is not "illegal" when you’re the country who can tell the International Criminal Court to go fuck itself and sanction its chief prosecutor when they try to investigate you for war crimes.

That’s the difference, you see. At least as I see it. Fox = drip-feeding dumb people with rage-porn. CNN = drip-feeding smug assholes with moral reassurance.

If I were drunk now I would go off on a very long rant about the American ‘liberal’ media’s shameless inaction with regard to Julian Assange’s silencing (“Democracy dies in darkness”, fuck you Washington Post). But I’m not, so I won’t. Yet. That bottle of Châteauneuf-du-Pape is looking pretty inviting.
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Re: P/R side chat thread, v. I am not a number I am a free man
« Reply #2433 on: April 10, 2021, 01:31:06 PM »
The problem with reality TV is not the drama, it's that it glorifies stupid people doing dumb shit. It is no wonder that a lot of societies, not just the US, are becoming dumber. These people are shown as the role-model for easy success. It's disgusting honestly
The thing about reality TV is that it generates instant celebrities, which is what the tabloid media needs to survive. It's a symbiotic relationship between the media and the TV producers to create a never-ending conveyer belt of 'famous people' whose lives and loves and 'scandals' generate clicks. There are not many advertising dollars in the story about the Ethiopian military carrying out a massacre on civilians (story from last week, it got dropped from the American news sites within a day), whereas some mind-numbingly dumb shit about a Kardashian is a whole other advertising pay-scale. You'll never see a Nike or a Coke advertisement on a story about some dead Africans. That stuff will be found on a story about Khloe (or Kim, I forget which it was) kicking up a fuss about her ass not being air-brushed or whatever stupid shit it was.


edit: Khloe it was. Thanks CNN.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/08/entertainment/khloe-kardashian-unedited-photo/index.html
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Re: P/R side chat thread, v. I am not a number I am a free man
« Reply #2434 on: April 10, 2021, 08:38:34 PM »
A trio of outstanding posts man, thank you.


That’s the difference, you see. At least as I see it. Fox = drip-feeding dumb people with rage-porn. CNN = drip-feeding smug assholes with moral reassurance.

Fucking nailed it.



Oh, and from personal experience, an addict in the deep end of it will pull myriad things out of the carpet and pop them into his pipe on the slight chance he dropped a shard and it'll flare up just right. Lint, cheese, fingernail trimmings, anything.

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Re: P/R side chat thread, v. I am not a number I am a free man
« Reply #2435 on: April 11, 2021, 03:08:11 PM »
That [speaking fees] is where the cash is for former grifter presidents and top-ranking politicians (there are exceptions like Carter, who chose to do good after leaving office), and Trump has enough self-awareness to know it's not a market he can tap into. Merrill Lynch aren't paying a quarter of a million to have some clown ramble on about how nobody knows more about banking than him.

Exhibit ZZ-69841 m'lud:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/11/donald-trump-mitch-mcconnell-dumb-son-of-a-bitch-republicans-fauci-chao-mar-a-lago


It's tempting to laugh this off and think "Meh, whatever, Trump is going to continue to peddle the lie that the election was stolen until his dying day, because clearing his debts via his 'Save America' super PAC scam depends upon convincing credulous dullards that it was in fact stolen".

Not so fast though. Because, I quote, "a new Reuters/Ipsos poll finds that 55% of Republicans falsely believe Joe Biden's victory in the 2020 presidential election was the result of illegal voting or rigging. Additionally, 60% of Republicans incorrectly agree that the election was stolen from Republican Donald Trump".

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/11/politics/voting-restrictions-analysis/index.html

Suddenly it becomes less easy to just dismiss Trump's nonsense as the bitter ramblings of a conman who is looking to bleed his minions dry one last time.

It's stuff like this that tells me America is still not out of the woods when it comes to Trump. I think Biden's greatest legacy to his country won't be beating Trump in 2020, it'll be making sure he and his chancer acolytes (Gaetz, Jordan, Hawley et al) stay beaten in 2024. I'm more and more convinced he will, because every time Trump gives a speech like this, McConnell becomes more determined to do what he can to bury Trumpism and make the GOP a serious party again.
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Re: P/R side chat thread, v. I am not a number I am a free man
« Reply #2436 on: April 11, 2021, 03:15:34 PM »
I'm not sure anyone can do that and succeed, especially with a large part of the GOP electorate still balls deep on Donnie's shaft, and they aren't spitting that thing out anytime soon either. Very curious to see who ends up throwing their hat in the ring. (obviously Gaetz is out lol)

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Re: P/R side chat thread, v. I am not a number I am a free man
« Reply #2437 on: April 11, 2021, 03:51:07 PM »
Yeah, Gaetz is out, and I'm more and more convinced that Trump isn't running again, because a) he hated the actual 'job' part of the job, and b) he lost a tonne of money when he was president, not all of it due to Covid...

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56438914

There's more profit for him in playing a Republican kingmaker role, plus that will appeal to his need for sycophancy and bootlicking from those looking for his (and by extension his minions') endorsement.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, someone like Nikki Haley is the direction the GOP needs to take if they want to put Trump and Trumpism behind them. She's clever, she's respected, and if (as I suspect) 2024 is effectively if not actually going to be fought by Harris, not Biden, I see Haley winning.
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Re: P/R side chat thread, v. I am not a number I am a free man
« Reply #2438 on: April 18, 2021, 07:42:09 AM »
"The Echo Chamber." How apt. ;D
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Re: P/R side chat thread, v. I am not a number I am a free man
« Reply #2439 on: April 30, 2021, 01:11:21 PM »
Interesting situation the other night. Wife was at her parents' house and they were watching their favorite news network. They were getting a bit riled up and she mentioned that she didn't agree with what they were saying. Unfortunately, a dumpster fire shouting match ensued and they haven't spoken for two days since.

I'm not really interested in blaming anyone, but rather just a bit dispirited that this is how so many of these situations go nowadays. Instead of "I don't understand your perspective, but I'd like to, so can you elaborate further?" it's "You're brainwashed and your opinion is invalid!" :lol

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Re: P/R side chat thread, v. I am not a number I am a free man
« Reply #2440 on: April 30, 2021, 03:26:54 PM »
Fox = drip-feeding dumb people with rage-porn. CNN = drip-feeding smug assholes with moral reassurance.
I'll do my best, but this? The guy's getting Llamathrust.
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Re: P/R side chat thread, v. I am not a number I am a free man
« Reply #2441 on: May 02, 2021, 04:55:48 PM »
A classic!
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
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Re: P/R side chat thread, v. I am not a number I am a free man
« Reply #2442 on: May 02, 2021, 06:28:56 PM »
"As Mr Romney took the stage at a state party convention in West Valley City, delegates shouted that he was a 'communist' and a 'traitor'".

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56963053


Remember the days when Mitt Romney was the personification of calm, informed and sensible American conservatism? An educated and intelligent man who gave an articulate voice to Republican concerns that, even when people like myself didn't agree with him, we nevertheless respected his grace, sincerity and knowledge?

Yeah, that was then and this is now. Delegates of the Republican Party are calling him a "communist" (I can absolutely guarantee not one of those people would be able to tell me what 'communism' is) and a "traitor" for the crime of going against their new Jesus.

The Republican Party have performed a minor miracle these last couple of years. They have made me not only pity Mitch McConnell, they've made me actually root for the guy. Because while it may appear to us lefties that this destruction of the GOP by Trump is a good thing, it really isn't. Nobody benefits from this. Somehow (I have no idea how) the GOP needs to leave behind the MAGA movement and get back to being a sensible party, but how to do that when Trump's PAC is still outperforming the RNC itself and his base are vital to Republican hopes of both midterm and 2024 success? Someone like Haley or DeSantis doesn't stand a chance in hell of winning the 2024 nomination if they don't debase themselves by courting Trump's approval, and it is going to be soul-destroying for me to watch them have to do it.   

Incidentally I was rather hoping that some prominent members of the GOP would have taken to the news networks or at least social media to denounce the attacks on their colleague (I still can't get over the surrealism of it, Mitt friggin' Romney being called a "communist" by delegates of the Republican Party). But no, spineless to the bitter end. They're afraid you see. They know that if they defend Romney they'll be next in line for Trump's dogs of war. These are the supposed 'leaders' of the new GOP, this is what they're made of. Cowardice and self-interest.
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Re: P/R side chat thread, v. I am not a number I am a free man
« Reply #2443 on: May 02, 2021, 06:31:35 PM »
It's was a sickening display.
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Re: P/R side chat thread, v. I am not a number I am a free man
« Reply #2444 on: May 02, 2021, 06:41:28 PM »
It amazes me how much Romney had to sacrifice morally to get the Republican nomination.

Can't be a Mormon and run this county?  Didn't our forefathers fight for that freedom?

How about he was willing to work with the other side for the constituents?  We desperately need that these days.

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Re: P/R side chat thread, v. I am not a number I am a free man
« Reply #2445 on: May 03, 2021, 01:34:33 PM »
"As Mr Romney took the stage at a state party convention in West Valley City, delegates shouted that he was a 'communist' and a 'traitor'".

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56963053


Remember the days when Mitt Romney was the personification of calm, informed and sensible American conservatism? An educated and intelligent man who gave an articulate voice to Republican concerns that, even when people like myself didn't agree with him, we nevertheless respected his grace, sincerity and knowledge?

Yeah, that was then and this is now. Delegates of the Republican Party are calling him a "communist" (I can absolutely guarantee not one of those people would be able to tell me what 'communism' is) and a "traitor" for the crime of going against their new Jesus.

The Republican Party have performed a minor miracle these last couple of years. They have made me not only pity Mitch McConnell, they've made me actually root for the guy. Because while it may appear to us lefties that this destruction of the GOP by Trump is a good thing, it really isn't. Nobody benefits from this. Somehow (I have no idea how) the GOP needs to leave behind the MAGA movement and get back to being a sensible party, but how to do that when Trump's PAC is still outperforming the RNC itself and his base are vital to Republican hopes of both midterm and 2024 success? Someone like Haley or DeSantis doesn't stand a chance in hell of winning the 2024 nomination if they don't debase themselves by courting Trump's approval, and it is going to be soul-destroying for me to watch them have to do it.   

Incidentally I was rather hoping that some prominent members of the GOP would have taken to the news networks or at least social media to denounce the attacks on their colleague (I still can't get over the surrealism of it, Mitt friggin' Romney being called a "communist" by delegates of the Republican Party). But no, spineless to the bitter end. They're afraid you see. They know that if they defend Romney they'll be next in line for Trump's dogs of war. These are the supposed 'leaders' of the new GOP, this is what they're made of. Cowardice and self-interest.
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Re: P/R side chat thread, v. I am not a number I am a free man
« Reply #2446 on: May 03, 2021, 02:53:31 PM »
And why is that bad, necessarily?   If it results in a moderate face to the party, so what?  Isn't that in essence what the Democrats did in 2020?   

Things also change over time; there was a time when the Democrat party was as fucked up as Hogan's goat.  They were simply an amalgam of splinter special interests... there was a time during the latter years of Reagan where people were, in the wake of Carter and his ineptness, lamenting the end of the Democratic Party.  We can see how that played out, right? 

Politics isn't a tactical snapshot in time; it's a continuum driven by exigent circumstances as much as it is by logical pre-ordained thought.   Trump dies tomorrow and politics in 2024 will look VERY different than they do today (and if I was a Democrat, I wouldn't be so smug). 

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Re: P/R side chat thread, v. I am not a number I am a free man
« Reply #2447 on: May 03, 2021, 02:54:47 PM »
Agreed (at EB, as Stads ninja’d me). Both factions of the party need each other, as there are no such fractures developing as big or as wide with the Left.
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Re: P/R side chat thread, v. I am not a number I am a free man
« Reply #2448 on: May 03, 2021, 07:07:35 PM »
Agreed (at EB, as Stads ninja’d me). Both factions of the party need each other, as there are no such fractures developing as big or as wide with the Left.
81.2 milion votes for arguably the least charismatic presidential candidate of the last 30 years is a figure that I was hoping would give the GOP hierarchs food for thought. Trump loves to tout his 75 million figure but the fact remains he was soundly beaten by a guy with very little personality and, despite being in government for 48 years, is one of the most difficult politicians in America to pin down for what he actually stands for. The guy's a manager, not an ideologue, which is fine, it's exactly what's needed sometimes, but my point is: how many of those 81.2 million people voted for Biden because of what he was selling? I think very few. Because what exactly WAS he selling? Fucked if I know, he was just "not Donald Trump", a reassuringly bland Establishment suit meant to highlight what a noisy circus Trumpism was.     

It's interesting to wonder how many conservatives voted for Biden because they could no longer stand all the soul-destroying stupidity of the carnival that Trump brings with him. With this in mind I'm interested to see if Mitch takes a gamble. If he says: "Cut the MAGA folk loose, Biden got over 81 million votes without them and we can too" (I don't want to provoke my old pal Super Dude again but there is no meaningful difference between Joe Biden and a moderate Republican, not on an ideological level; as an example from one hour ago, it's only massive condemnation that just made him raise Trump's refugee cap, which he wanted to keep despite criticising it on the campaign trail. See the link*).

I think that sensible Republicans need to explain to Cruz and co that there is no long-term future in continuing to embrace Trumpism. Not for the GOP, not for America, and not (my interest) for the world. The votes they will lose from those idiots calling Romney a "communist" and a "traitor" will be gained back by all the people who voted for Biden despite being conservatives (we have several examples on this forum from what I remember). If Trump got trounced by Biden then I think it's reasonable to assume that Trump-lite (Cruz, Rubio, Hawley) isn't beating him either. 81.2 million votes for a clever and experienced statesman but with the charisma of a sedated blobfish seems to suggest there's a future in boring but intelligent politics. The Republican Party will be fools if they let even more of this generation of clever political thinkers (there are still several in the GOP right now) go to waste by choosing instead to pander to the likes of Gaetz, Cruz and Hawley.

Biden's been decent enough so far. Harris has been surprisingly (to me) very poor. Her month-long lack of a press conference despite being put in charge of the border situation is shameful from someone who was so vocal of Trump's handling of the very problems she’s now meant to be overseeing and solving. I've said this many times before and I'll say it many more times to come: put Nikki Haley up against Harris - it's effectively what the 2024 election will be, Biden will just be the name on the ballot - and it's a GOP victory. Put a clown like Cruz on there, I think the Dems are winning, because I’m not convinced America wants a slimier and less charismatic version of the guy who just lost.


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Re: P/R side chat thread, v. I am not a number I am a free man
« Reply #2449 on: May 04, 2021, 06:31:44 AM »
So as I was writing that last night it turns out Trump was issuing a 'Statement':

"The Fraudulent Presidential Election of 2020 will be, from this day forth, known as THE BIG LIE!"

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-poisoning-democracy-with-big-lie-claim-key-house-republican-2021-05-03/

And so it is decreed I guess.

A brief perusal of the usual suspects' online activity tells a familiar tale. Those few Republicans with a spine who are calling out Trump's bullshit (Cheney, Collins, Murkowski) are being attacked by the minions and labelled "traitors". Graham, Cruz, Scalise, Meadows, Jordan, Gaetz, Hawley and all the rest (every single one of whom knows that what Trump is saying is not true): not a peep. Because fuck it right, let 60 to 70% of Republicans continue to believe the election was stolen despite there being no evidence for it. It serves your agenda and you can always just blame Russia for "undermining confidence in our democratic institutions".

I take back what I wrote last night (about nobody winning from the annihilation of the GOP). Fuck that pathetic party, let them immolate themselves to their new God if they want to. How much was it worth to begin with if a moron like Donald Trump was all it took to tear it apart?
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