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Re: SANDUSKY GUILTY!!!
« Reply #35 on: June 24, 2012, 05:42:32 AM »
I too have found El Barto's post quite enlightening.  Rehabilitation, sequestration, and punishment are three very different things.

Personally, I'm among those who feel that the most important thing is that people who have proven that they cannot function normally within society (that is, they harm others) should be removed from it.  Not necessarily killed, just put away for the general good.  But I have to admit, sometimes when I hear about people who've done particularly heinous things, part of me hopes that something bad will happen to them.  Maybe that's "uncivilized" but I think it's also human nature.  I'm not against the death penalty, if there's some way to know with 100% certainty that someone is guilty.

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Re: SANDUSKY GUILTY!!!
« Reply #36 on: June 24, 2012, 05:45:39 AM »
Society isn't civilized, Barto. That's just a lie we are brought up to believe. Most folks would gleefully cheer his demise even it they did it privately. Its like watching porn. Everyone does it, but not everyone wants everyone to know they do.

Correction: this society isn't civilized.
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Re: SANDUSKY GUILTY!!!
« Reply #37 on: June 24, 2012, 06:17:47 AM »
We don't send people to prison FOR punishment, we send them to prison AS punishment.   

I have zero sympathy for this fucking oxygen thief, but I don't believe two wrongs ever make a right.

You cannot comprehend what being institutionalized is like unless you've experienced it, and take it from someone who has more experience with institutionalization than anyone else currently reading this, it's humiliating, demoralizing and completely spirit crushing.  Especially for someone who is going to be doing his time at the lowest level of prison society there is.  Rapists are outcasts in prison.  Always in danger, living their lives in fear that at any moment someone (even a staff member) could do them serious bodily harm. 

His life is over now.  As far as I am concerned that's retribution enough.



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Re: SANDUSKY GUILTY!!!
« Reply #38 on: June 24, 2012, 08:16:57 AM »
Sandusky being in prison and getting his teeth knocked in or getting raped or whatever doesn't give those kids back what he took from them.  They are damaged forever - hopefully with some therapy and other resources they can get back to some semblance of normality.

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« Reply #39 on: June 24, 2012, 09:03:16 AM »
Man, as if spending the rest of your life in jail isn't punishment enough :lol I would never wish prison rape on anyone.
You might if you knew he butt fucked your 10 year old son repeatedly.
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Re: SANDUSKY GUILTY!!!
« Reply #40 on: June 24, 2012, 09:13:10 AM »
Society isn't civilized, Barto. That's just a lie we are brought up to believe. Most folks would gleefully cheer his demise even it they did it privately. Its like watching porn. Everyone does it, but not everyone wants everyone to know they do.

Correction: this society isn't civilized.
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Re: SANDUSKY GUILTY!!!
« Reply #41 on: June 24, 2012, 11:47:11 AM »
Society isn't civilized, Barto. That's just a lie we are brought up to believe. Most folks would gleefully cheer his demise even it they did it privately. Its like watching porn. Everyone does it, but not everyone wants everyone to know they do.

Correction: this society isn't civilized.
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Re: SANDUSKY GUILTY!!!
« Reply #42 on: June 25, 2012, 07:25:17 AM »
I'm glad he is guilty and I'm glad that a jury of mostly psu people convicted him. I don't really care what happens to him as long as I don't have to hear about him or see him on TV anymore.

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Re: SANDUSKY GUILTY!!!
« Reply #43 on: June 25, 2012, 09:00:19 AM »
I'll tell you what REALLY pisses me off about people like Sandusky is when they end up making a metric shit-ton of money off their story.  That kind of shit needs to stop.  Hopefully no one will pay this scumbag to write a book. 

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« Reply #44 on: June 25, 2012, 09:59:58 AM »
What was the deal with Casey Anthony?  She's not allowed to write or sell her story is she?

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« Reply #45 on: June 25, 2012, 10:55:48 AM »
Yeah, I'm pretty sure a judge preemptively ruled that if she did get involved in any kind of story about her life and the death of her daughter that she could not profit from it in any way.

As much as I think it sucks that people sometimes profit from these things, I'm not so sure how I feel about the courts restricting your rights when you haven't been convicted of anything.

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Re: SANDUSKY GUILTY!!!
« Reply #46 on: June 25, 2012, 11:25:55 AM »
Yeah, I'm pretty sure a judge preemptively ruled that if she did get involved in any kind of story about her life and the death of her daughter that she could not profit from it in any way.

As much as I think it sucks that people sometimes profit from these things, I'm not so sure how I feel about the courts restricting your rights when you haven't been convicted of anything.
I agree.  I'm not honestly sure how a judge can prohibit her from selling book/movie rights to her story since she was acquitted.  In Sandusky's case, I'm sure the eventual civil suits will take care of any proceeds he might make, although I'm not sure who's going to want to read his book. 
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« Reply #47 on: June 25, 2012, 11:30:12 AM »
Casey Anthony wasn't completely acquired. I believe she was still convicted of a smaller crime (I want to say not giving evidence to police or something) so maybe that's how she was given that ruling.

While I certainly don't want Sandusky to make any money, I do want to hear the truth from him.

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« Reply #48 on: June 25, 2012, 11:53:25 AM »
You won't hear the truth from him, or anything anyone can verify as the truth.  You can only get his version of events.

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Re: SANDUSKY GUILTY!!!
« Reply #49 on: June 25, 2012, 11:56:15 AM »
Casey Anthony wasn't completely acquired. I believe she was still convicted of a smaller crime (I want to say not giving evidence to police or something) so maybe that's how she was given that ruling.

While I certainly don't want Sandusky to make any money, I do want to hear the truth from him.

Yeah, that's true, she was convicted of "giving false information" but I still think it's an overreach of the law to preemptively prevent her from writing a book and profiting from that book.   That's a pretty slippery slope

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« Reply #50 on: June 25, 2012, 12:15:55 PM »
You won't hear the truth from him, or anything anyone can verify as the truth.  You can only get his version of events.
Am I wrong when I say it seems like convicted pedophiles never appear to repent/tell the truth?  It seems like they never admit they actually did something wrong.

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« Reply #51 on: June 25, 2012, 12:25:45 PM »
You won't hear the truth from him, or anything anyone can verify as the truth.  You can only get his version of events.
Am I wrong when I say it seems like convicted pedophiles never appear to repent/tell the truth?  It seems like they never admit they actually did something wrong.

No, you are absolutely right, because a true pedophile does not believe that they have done anything wrong.

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« Reply #52 on: June 25, 2012, 12:37:50 PM »
I don't know about that. I would think that some would just realize they are, in the eyes of many inside and outside the joint, the lowest of the low. If you murder someone, you could at least spin it as the other guy was stealing from you, sleeping with your wife, etc…

Unless you are a woman, and become a bit of a cause celebre, and get to appear on Oprah. But Vili claims he wasn’t a ‘victim’ so it’s all good.

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« Reply #53 on: June 25, 2012, 12:54:30 PM »

Interestingly, those whacky kids have now beaten the average, having been married seven years and a couple of months.  I'm real curious to see how it goes, but I'd put my money on still married many years from now. 
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Re: SANDUSKY GUILTY!!!
« Reply #54 on: June 25, 2012, 05:06:19 PM »
Vili was livin the dream.
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Re: SANDUSKY GUILTY!!!
« Reply #55 on: June 26, 2012, 08:51:11 AM »
I don't know about that. I would think that some would just realize they are, in the eyes of many inside and outside the joint, the lowest of the low. If you murder someone, you could at least spin it as the other guy was stealing from you, sleeping with your wife, etc…


Well, again, I speak from the experience of having spent close to two decades living among some of these people.  Many of them DO eventually make it in the general population.  It takes years, but it does happen.  Their cases fade over time and their faces are eventually forgotten and they are quietly placed in an area where there are others like them.  In the medium security places, where there are more privileges that the cons can earn, the likelihood of them being attacked is greatly diminished.  Many of them survive very long stretches living among other cons, even though they are social outcasts in there, they are left alone because no one wants to end up getting lugged to the hole and sent back to max or supermax for beating up a diddler. 

Oh, sure, they realize they are the lowest of the low in prison society.  They know their place.  And they stay in their place.  They are the last in line for everything.  Last in line for chow, last in line at the commissary, last in line to see the doctor, etc.....they are ridiculed and ostracized, but they usually find compatriots in others who have their problem (pedophilia) and they tend to stick together in tight-knit little groups, kinda like Antelopes stick together in herds in the wild, because there is strength and perceived safety in numbers.  Most of them are compelled to take part in groups and counseling, because the sad reality is, most of them are going to be getting out of the joint some day, and the vast majority of them re-offend.  Recidivism rates among pedophiles are among the highest of all offenders.  A big part of it is their denial that they have a problem or have done anything wrong. 

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« Reply #56 on: June 26, 2012, 12:59:08 PM »
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« Reply #57 on: June 26, 2012, 01:17:25 PM »
^Quote fail, but yeah, exactly.

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« Reply #58 on: June 26, 2012, 01:36:46 PM »
Most striking about these big cases in the US; people cheering outside court rooms... ugh.