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« on: June 22, 2012, 08:23:24 PM »
Thank god.  Can you imagine how civilization might have collapsed if he was found innocent?
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« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2012, 08:25:17 PM »
There was zero chance of that happening.  This was as sure of a thing as court cases get.
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« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2012, 08:27:59 PM »
There was zero chance of that happening.  This was as sure of a thing as court cases get.

That's what they say before any big time case where the guy gets off.

Believe me, I'm not even happy about this in a sense.  Too afraid of him getting off.
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« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2012, 08:38:02 PM »
Yay. There is no punishment sufficient for the damage he has caused in so many lives, not even death.
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« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2012, 08:39:09 PM »
Yay. There is no punishment sufficient for the damage he has caused in so many lives, not even death.

that's why the "rot in prison" approach is so much better. I hope they put him in the same prison as murderers.
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« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2012, 08:57:28 PM »
Not a surprising verdict
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« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2012, 09:00:11 PM »
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Re: SANDUSKY GUILTY!!!
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2012, 09:09:32 PM »
Thought this thread was about Cedar Point. I'm disappointed.

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« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2012, 09:34:21 PM »
Thought this thread was about Cedar Point. I'm disappointed.
You are a lunatic! :lol

There was zero chance of that happening.  This was as sure of a thing as court cases get.
That's how I felt about OJ. I've come to realize you just never know. Also, lest we forget Casey Anthony. I figured it was a slam dunk, Sandusky would be guilty, but one part of me had a twinge of doubt.
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« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2012, 10:08:54 PM »
I misread the thread title as Santorum and was all, "I knew something was wacky about that fellow."

That said, I'll happily echo your sentiments about this guy getting what he deserved. 

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« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2012, 10:28:31 PM »
There was zero chance of that happening.  This was as sure of a thing as court cases get.

That's what they say before any big time case where the guy gets off.
Not even remotely possible because of his notoriety.  Any other person could claim SOGDI, but not him.  There was the possibility that all of the witnesses were grubbing for cash, but given the number of them that was highly improbable as well.  OJ and Casey Anthony had hooks a jury could hang an acquittal on.  This guy had nada.

Of course I'm opposed to capital punishment, but I think we as a society should be more encouraging of convict suicide, and this is a fine example of that.  The sheriff's and corrections departments will go to great measures to make sure he doesn't kill himself before they get to lock him up for sixty years.  That's pretty silly.  There's really no reason they shouldn't give him the Franky Pentangeli speech and inadvertently leave a 500 ct bottle of Tylenol in his cell.  Better for all parties, except for a few people with misguided notions on justice or decency.
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« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2012, 01:49:07 AM »
I hear prison is an especially not-fun place for sex offenders.

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« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2012, 02:25:13 AM »
I hear prison is an especially not-fun place for sex offenders.

Good, he's definitely got what's coming to him.

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« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2012, 06:05:33 AM »
Also, its not that often that a guy gets sent to prison, where dropping the soap will be the thing he enjoys the most.
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« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2012, 07:45:53 AM »
There was zero chance of that happening.  This was as sure of a thing as court cases get.

That's what they say before any big time case where the guy gets off.
Not even remotely possible because of his notoriety.  Any other person could claim SOGDI, but not him.  There was the possibility that all of the witnesses were grubbing for cash, but given the number of them that was highly improbable as well.  OJ and Casey Anthony had hooks a jury could hang an acquittal on.  This guy had nada.

Of course I'm opposed to capital punishment, but I think we as a society should be more encouraging of convict suicide, and this is a fine example of that.  The sheriff's and corrections departments will go to great measures to make sure he doesn't kill himself before they get to lock him up for sixty years.  That's pretty silly.  There's really no reason they shouldn't give him the Franky Pentangeli speech and inadvertently leave a 500 ct bottle of Tylenol in his cell.  Better for all parties, except for a few people with misguided notions on justice or decency.

You don't think that would be letting him off too easy?
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Re: SANDUSKY GUILTY!!!
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2012, 08:21:44 AM »
I don't know for sure, but I remember hearing that they don't put child molesters in with the rest of the population. I hope I'm wrong.
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« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2012, 08:51:16 AM »
I had a friend who'd worked as a prison guard for a while, the federal pen in Jackson, Michigan, and he confirmed that yes, rapists and child molesters are bottom of the pecking order (ha!) in the big house.  Within the morality of criminals, it's okay to steal if you need something, even kill someone who's messed with you or someone you know.  But these guys inside have family, wives, kids on the outside, and they can't protect them.  The last thing they need to worry about is some guy messing with their family.  Oh, there's a new guy, and he's a baby-raper?  This will be fun.

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« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2012, 08:52:54 AM »
I don't know for sure, but I remember hearing that they don't put child molesters in with the rest of the population.

Sadly, this is true.  We can only hope that Sandusky lives a long life and rots in prison.

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« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2012, 09:02:07 AM »
I don't know for sure, but I remember hearing that they don't put child molesters in with the rest of the population.

Sadly, this is true.  We can only hope that Sandusky lives a long life and rots in prison.
Yeah, but whatever. His freedom is gone. He will die with his sins in a jail cell. and he may get his no matter where they put him.
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« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2012, 09:04:46 AM »
Yay. There is no punishment sufficient for the damage he has caused in so many lives, not even death.

that's why the "rot in prison" approach is so much better. I hope they put him in the same prison as murderers.

He'll spend his time in protective custody with the other high-profile inmates, skinners and diddlers.  It won't be a picnic my any measure, but he'll be mostly safe and just spend the rest of his life eating prison chow and watching TV.

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« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2012, 09:16:03 AM »
Yay. There is no punishment sufficient for the damage he has caused in so many lives, not even death.

that's why the "rot in prison" approach is so much better. I hope they put him in the same prison as murderers.

He'll spend his time in protective custody with the other high-profile inmates, skinners and diddlers.  It won't be a picnic my any measure, but he'll be mostly safe and just spend the rest of his life eating prison chow and watching TV.

I wish you would have added "fucked in the ass" to that list of things he'd be doing.
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« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2012, 09:27:55 AM »
There was zero chance of that happening.  This was as sure of a thing as court cases get.

That's what they say before any big time case where the guy gets off.
Not even remotely possible because of his notoriety.  Any other person could claim SOGDI, but not him.  There was the possibility that all of the witnesses were grubbing for cash, but given the number of them that was highly improbable as well.  OJ and Casey Anthony had hooks a jury could hang an acquittal on.  This guy had nada.

Of course I'm opposed to capital punishment, but I think we as a society should be more encouraging of convict suicide, and this is a fine example of that.  The sheriff's and corrections departments will go to great measures to make sure he doesn't kill himself before they get to lock him up for sixty years.  That's pretty silly.  There's really no reason they shouldn't give him the Franky Pentangeli speech and inadvertently leave a 500 ct bottle of Tylenol in his cell.  Better for all parties, except for a few people with misguided notions on justice or decency.

You don't think that would be letting him off too easy?
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« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2012, 10:16:13 AM »
Society isn't civilized, Barto. That's just a lie we are brought up to believe. Most folks would gleefully cheer his demise even it they did it privately. Its like watching porn. Everyone does it, but not everyone wants everyone to know they do.
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« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2012, 10:21:02 AM »
There was zero chance of that happening.  This was as sure of a thing as court cases get.

That's what they say before any big time case where the guy gets off.
Not even remotely possible because of his notoriety.  Any other person could claim SOGDI, but not him.  There was the possibility that all of the witnesses were grubbing for cash, but given the number of them that was highly improbable as well.  OJ and Casey Anthony had hooks a jury could hang an acquittal on.  This guy had nada.

Of course I'm opposed to capital punishment, but I think we as a society should be more encouraging of convict suicide, and this is a fine example of that.  The sheriff's and corrections departments will go to great measures to make sure he doesn't kill himself before they get to lock him up for sixty years.  That's pretty silly.  There's really no reason they shouldn't give him the Franky Pentangeli speech and inadvertently leave a 500 ct bottle of Tylenol in his cell.  Better for all parties, except for a few people with misguided notions on justice or decency.

You don't think that would be letting him off too easy?
The role of the penal system is a matter of much debate.  Rehabilitation, sequestration, and punishment are the three popular notions.  Myself, I don't think punishment should be a part of it.  An unintentional byproduct, perhaps, but not the end goal.  With that in mind, "letting him off too easy" doespon't really matter to me.  The goal of imprisonment should be the betterment of society, not the misery of the offender.  Seeing the guy treated with the same barbarism that he inflicted is a popular concept, as we're seeing in this thread, but it's not conducive to a civilized society.  It's more of a relic from backwards-ass era that most of the time we're proud to be removed from.

I'm guessing you never been sexually abused or rape. Me, I was really hoping the bastard be thrown in with general population so he could get his real punishment. His victims now can begin their healing.



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« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2012, 11:20:28 AM »
Society isn't civilized, Barto. That's just a lie we are brought up to believe. Most folks would gleefully cheer his demise even it they did it privately. Its like watching porn. Everyone does it, but no everyone wants everyone to know they do.
Which is fine.  My low regard for humanity doesn't trouble me too much.  What does annoy me is the hypocrisy of it all.  People act with the smug arrogance of superiority while behaving like the animals they really are.


I'm guessing you never been sexually abused or rape. Me, I was really hoping the bastard be thrown in with general population so he could get his real punishment. His victims now can begin their healing.
Nope, never have.  I do fine it interesting that you equate healing with vengeance, though.
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« Reply #25 on: June 23, 2012, 01:23:57 PM »
The role of the penal system is a matter of much debate.  Rehabilitation, sequestration, and punishment are the three popular notions.  Myself, I don't think punishment should be a part of it.  An unintentional byproduct, perhaps, but not the end goal.  With that in mind, "letting him off too easy" doesn't really matter to me.  The goal of imprisonment should be the betterment of society, not the misery of the offender. 

Having been on the wrong side of the law a couple times, I partially agree with this. I have been through rehab/counseling, which helped me better myself, and I was removed from society for a (very short) time, to the (questionable) betterment of society. But I will also vouch for the effectiveness of a good swift kick in the ass as a way of getting a decent guy like myself to shape up and learn to better inhabit society.

That being said, people like Sandusky are a few miles outside of the town of Decent Guy. I agree the end goal in this case should be keeping him out of society (no point in rehabbing someone this far gone who will be locked up for life. But I wouldn't mind a healthy dose of ass-kicking in his case.

I wonder if he will ever come clean, and if he does, admit that what he did was wrong. Kinda curious what is swirling around in that deviant mind of his right now.

Now we need to see the PSU President and AD join him.
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« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2012, 01:40:23 PM »
Man, as if spending the rest of your life in jail isn't punishment enough :lol I would never wish prison rape on anyone.

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« Reply #27 on: June 23, 2012, 01:43:00 PM »
Call me a barbarian, but I would love to hear news that Sandusky got his teeth kicked in. If you molest little boys, you squarely deserve to wind up looking like The Elephant Man.
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« Reply #28 on: June 23, 2012, 01:44:00 PM »
Man, as if spending the rest of your life in jail isn't punishment enough :lol I would never wish prison rape on anyone.
You might if you knew he butt fucked your 10 year old son repeatedly.
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« Reply #29 on: June 23, 2012, 02:38:53 PM »
The role of the penal system is a matter of much debate.  Rehabilitation, sequestration, and punishment are the three popular notions.  Myself, I don't think punishment should be a part of it.  An unintentional byproduct, perhaps, but not the end goal.  With that in mind, "letting him off too easy" doesn't really matter to me.  The goal of imprisonment should be the betterment of society, not the misery of the offender. 

Having been on the wrong side of the law a couple times, I partially agree with this. I have been through rehab/counseling, which helped me better myself, and I was removed from society for a (very short) time, to the (questionable) betterment of society. But I will also vouch for the effectiveness of a good swift kick in the ass as a way of getting a decent guy like myself to shape up and learn to better inhabit society.

That being said, people like Sandusky are a few miles outside of the town of Decent Guy. I agree the end goal in this case should be keeping him out of society (no point in rehabbing someone this far gone who will be locked up for life. But I wouldn't mind a healthy dose of ass-kicking in his case.

I wonder if he will ever come clean, and if he does, admit that what he did was wrong. Kinda curious what is swirling around in that deviant mind of his right now.

Now we need to see the PSU President and AD join him.


Agreed and correct with you both and your feelings. Yet the trend in society has been continued harsh treatment and punishment for most of all law offenders.

Certainly the debate is strong on your side Cool Chris. Sandusky is not a "normal" crime committer, and he is too old for any rehab and treatment to be worth a squat. The pending punishment for life fits the crime mostly.

Punishment and deep sentences should only apply to those who are determined a complete risk to recommit, which most often would be the most heinous murderers, sex offenders and home invaders. Rehab and treatment should definitely be more of focus, but popular opinion continues to be hard punishment and budgets for that versus therapists, psychologists/psychiatrists and etc. Bigger prisons and more prisons.

About Sandusky, glad to see him brought to justice. Although the men who are victims will be scarred for life, I do hope seeing the man face his horrible crimes offer some feelings of help.
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« Reply #30 on: June 23, 2012, 02:49:33 PM »
Given the direction this thread is already taking, I'm moving it to P/R.

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« Reply #31 on: June 23, 2012, 02:51:49 PM »
If I felt that rehabilitation were an option I wouldn't have thrown out the honorable suicide option.  He's too far gone for anything except running out the clock in prison and I'm perfectly cool with that.  I'm also down with prison being a lousy place; that's the unintended byproduct I referred to earlier.  There should be a deterring element.  Where I'm troubled is the commonplace notion that he should be made to suffer by all of these people to whom he has done no harm.  To me, wanting to see somebody suffer, even a rotten POS like Sandusky, is not cool.  I'd be more tolerant of such a position by his victims, but in situations like this you always see unrelated parties rejoicing at his misery.  Not cool. 

It's vengeance by proxy.  It actually strikes me as about on par with those assholes who were bullied in high school and go on to be cops so they can be the ones pushing people around. 

Given the direction this thread is already taking, I'm moving it to P/R.
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« Reply #32 on: June 23, 2012, 04:14:02 PM »
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« Reply #33 on: June 23, 2012, 10:22:17 PM »
There was zero chance of that happening.  This was as sure of a thing as court cases get.

That's what they say before any big time case where the guy gets off.
Not even remotely possible because of his notoriety.  Any other person could claim SOGDI, but not him.  There was the possibility that all of the witnesses were grubbing for cash, but given the number of them that was highly improbable as well.  OJ and Casey Anthony had hooks a jury could hang an acquittal on.  This guy had nada.

Of course I'm opposed to capital punishment, but I think we as a society should be more encouraging of convict suicide, and this is a fine example of that.  The sheriff's and corrections departments will go to great measures to make sure he doesn't kill himself before they get to lock him up for sixty years.  That's pretty silly.  There's really no reason they shouldn't give him the Franky Pentangeli speech and inadvertently leave a 500 ct bottle of Tylenol in his cell.  Better for all parties, except for a few people with misguided notions on justice or decency.

You don't think that would be letting him off too easy?
The role of the penal system is a matter of much debate.  Rehabilitation, sequestration, and punishment are the three popular notions.  Myself, I don't think punishment should be a part of it.  An unintentional byproduct, perhaps, but not the end goal.  With that in mind, "letting him off too easy" doesn't really matter to me.  The goal of imprisonment should be the betterment of society, not the misery of the offender.  Seeing the guy treated with the same barbarism that he inflicted is a popular concept, as we're seeing in this thread, but it's not conducive to a civilized society.  It's more of a relic from backwards-ass era that most of the time we're proud to be removed from.

Interesting, you have made me reconsider my stance on the issue. I initially thought of it as 'you get what you deserve', but then again, who are we to decide what he deserves for his crimes? I've always been one opposed to the death penalty, and perhaps this is a lot more similar to that then I would have initially admitted. However, with that being said, I in no way want to see 'the guy treated with the same barbarism that he inflicted'. Personally, I'm with Antigoon on this one, and also don't equate a life in prison to the same kind of barbarism that led Sandusky to molest all those little boys.
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« Reply #34 on: June 24, 2012, 03:50:24 AM »
I agree wholeheartedly with El Barto.  All of these calls for barbarous treatment of Sandusky in prison are unpleasant and disappointing to read.
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