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« Reply #875 on: July 08, 2010, 10:42:15 AM »
The FDA gets lobbied just like any other government organization. Do you think companies like Kellogg aren't doing their damndest to protect the federal guidelines that claim you should be eating more of their products? Hell, studies claiming that eggs were bad for you didn't start coming out until cereal became a popular breakfast food!

I don't support any dietary guidelines by the government. However, libertarians want to blame everything on the government, as if simply because the FDA recommends 50% of caloric intake by carbohydrates, American's are getting fatter and more diabetic. Most American's probably get way more carbohydrates than recommended, and from sources which are not recommended, nor do they get nearly enough exercise/activity. This is what I was objecting to, because the story is not that simple. More importantly, it seems that where the government is actually playing an agent in our diet (through subsidization), isn't getting the attention it should if people are concerned about what the government recommends.

I'd also like to say that not all of us need to or want to be at "peak" performance, At some point, any argument about diet has to come down to how you want to live, and to what is actually "unhealthy" vs. "not-as-healthy." More carbs may add a little more fat to the body, but why is that in-and-of-itself a bad thing?

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You can't just lump a candy bar and a banana together based upon the fact that your body will process sugar out of it, mmeaning the spike in blood sugar caused by eating fruits, vegetables, starches, etc, are able to be handled by the body in a more or less safe manner (you can still gain weight, but that's why you moderate yourself).

Also true; it's better to eat an orange than drink orange juice, as the fiber in the orange will slow down the digestion and releasing of carbohydrates into the bloodstream, whereas the orange juice is basically a sugar bomb. Fructose is also predisposed to being stored as liver glycogen instead of muscle glycogen, the former of which can lead to fat gain. Granted, this gain can be minimized if you moderate yourself like you said, but I just wanted to highlight the differences between carbohydrate types.


Well this is pretty much what I've been trying to talk about. NR is adamant that all carbohydrates are the same, but they just aren't.

Take a look at this:
https://www.thetimesnews.com/articles/county-32316-served-inmates.html

Based on that meal plan I input it into my personal calorie and nutrition tracker and everything looked about right if you want to be fat.

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https://img197.imageshack.us/i/prisnfood2.png/

Holy fuck, look at how much sodium they're getting. Though, since it's all processed foods, that shouldn't be too surprising...

It's also a little hard to know what each person drinks. I assume the inmates can still drink water if they choose to, and those fruit drinks are probably a "great" source of HFCS and other refined sugars.

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« Reply #876 on: July 08, 2010, 10:43:08 AM »
What the heck is crawling out of that avatar's panties?!  :omg:

A tarantula. I chose it because it seems oddly fitting for my username, plus it freaks the crap out of people. At the last forum I used it as an avatar, someone created a poll to have it removed.  :lol

I'd also like to say that not all of us need to or want to be at "peak" performance, At some point, any argument about diet has to come down to how you want to live, and to what is actually "unhealthy" vs. "not-as-healthy." More carbs may add a little more fat to the body, but why is that in-and-of-itself a bad thing?

It only is if you're obsessed with "peak" performance, like I am.  :) Though ultimately, your sentiments are why I don't preach about healthy lifestyles. People are going live their lives however they want, regardless of anything I have to say. Personally, I get far more satisfaction out of reaching the exercise goals I set for myself, being <10% bodyfat, and just overall well-being and rarely being sick/ill than I would get from any tasty meal.
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« Reply #878 on: July 09, 2010, 05:01:52 PM »
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« Reply #879 on: July 13, 2010, 09:32:53 PM »
I just had an ex of a friend call me a socialist because I said that the Constitution could become obsolete or no longer applicable to this country's government in the near future (near future meaning the next few decades).

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« Reply #880 on: July 13, 2010, 09:53:25 PM »
What did you mean? Were you saying its a fact of life or it should.

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« Reply #881 on: July 14, 2010, 11:19:22 AM »
What did you mean? Were you saying its a fact of life or it should.

Either way, that isn't socialism.

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« Reply #882 on: July 14, 2010, 11:23:48 AM »
Socialist is just the new catch-all term for any person even moderately liberal that someone wants to discredit or insult.
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« Reply #883 on: July 14, 2010, 11:28:30 AM »
Socialist is just the new catch-all term for any person even moderately liberal that someone wants to discredit or insult.
I completely agree except Conservatives have been doing that forever, its not new.
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« Reply #884 on: July 14, 2010, 11:32:07 AM »
Well the word of choice has changed here and there; 5 years ago unpatriotic/terrorist sympathizer were far more popular than socialist.
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« Reply #885 on: July 19, 2010, 11:31:44 AM »
Well the word of choice has changed here and there; 5 years ago unpatriotic/terrorist sympathizer were far more popular than socialist.
True but in the end its meant to put down anyone that isn't a right-winger.
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« Reply #886 on: July 21, 2010, 08:30:13 AM »
A new acronym stands on the horizon, ready to take the world by storm:  BTFY

Breitbart'd That For You.  An example:

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« Reply #887 on: July 26, 2010, 05:40:01 PM »
What did you mean? Were you saying its a fact of life or it should.

Either way, that isn't socialism.

That wasn't what I was getting at.


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« Reply #891 on: August 03, 2010, 02:58:16 PM »
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« Reply #892 on: August 04, 2010, 04:19:12 AM »
I was going to post this in the GD chat thread but then realized its place is probably here.

Here's something that makes me angry:
I just read in the newspaper that there's a religious group called Team Exodus visiting my city. They're standing in the town trying to convert by-passers to Christianity. I dislike it when people try to "save" other people, because I completely hate it when someone tries to force their belief onto me, so this by itself is a bit annoying in my eyes. (Though I don't have anything against religious people in general, I want to make that clear - I just don't want them in my face with their religion when I haven't asked for it.) But these people just take it too far. What upsets me the most is that they save little children without their parents' permission, because "the only permission we need is God's" and "if God want them to come to us we can't send them away, that's what the Bible says." That is just wrong. Children are so easy to convince (the group said that themselves, even) that they barely even have a choice to make. They're going to believe what they are told. And it's their parents' choice whether they want them to hear it or not.
They also tried to save a young woman whose father recently passed away. They did it through praying - and not just praying FOR her father, they used a CELLPHONE to CALL him and pray TOGETHER with him. I can't believe there are people who think that would work. This group is totally nuts in my eyes! (Whether or not the woman was saved isn't said in the article.)

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« Reply #893 on: August 04, 2010, 08:13:02 AM »
What did you mean? Were you saying its a fact of life or it should.

A little bit of both.  I see that political actors in most if not all government institutions in the US are becoming really comfortable with the boundaries and loopholes of their respective institutions; in that way, the Constitution is on its way to becoming an obsolete check on government power.

On the other hand, in order to curb such a trend, perhaps the Constitution should be overhauled or replaced altogether, in order to put new/better constraints on the institutions.  Obviously stuff like freedom of speech, press, and religion would remain; it would simply be a rewrite of the government itself and the functions and powers allotted to it.
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« Reply #894 on: August 04, 2010, 08:14:39 AM »
On the other hand, in order to curb such a trend, perhaps the Constitution should be overhauled or replaced altogether, in order to put new/better constraints on the institutions.  Obviously stuff like freedom of speech, press, and religion would remain; it would simply be a rewrite of the government itself and the functions and powers allotted to it.

I've always thought this would be a good idea. Those who drafted it in the 18th century couldn't possibly have predicted what life would hold and what government would be like today. It does seem outdated today

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« Reply #895 on: August 04, 2010, 09:28:28 AM »
I was going to post this in the GD chat thread but then realized its place is probably here.

Here's something that makes me angry:
I just read in the newspaper that there's a religious group called Team Exodus visiting my city. They're standing in the town trying to convert by-passers to Christianity. I dislike it when people try to "save" other people, because I completely hate it when someone tries to force their belief onto me, so this by itself is a bit annoying in my eyes. (Though I don't have anything against religious people in general, I want to make that clear - I just don't want them in my face with their religion when I haven't asked for it.) But these people just take it too far. What upsets me the most is that they save little children without their parents' permission, because "the only permission we need is God's" and "if God want them to come to us we can't send them away, that's what the Bible says." That is just wrong. Children are so easy to convince (the group said that themselves, even) that they barely even have a choice to make. They're going to believe what they are told. And it's their parents' choice whether they want them to hear it or not.
They also tried to save a young woman whose father recently passed away. They did it through praying - and not just praying FOR her father, they used a CELLPHONE to CALL him and pray TOGETHER with him. I can't believe there are people who think that would work. This group is totally nuts in my eyes! (Whether or not the woman was saved isn't said in the article.)
Sounds like a good time for a holy war.  It seems like there should be other Christians offended by this sort of nonsense. 
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« Reply #896 on: August 05, 2010, 07:00:06 AM »
@PLM: Agreed. No modern country should adhere to a constitution that's nearly three hundred years old (think about that: at least a quarter of a millennium, at most a third), especially considering the rapidity with which developments have been made in that time.
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« Reply #897 on: August 05, 2010, 11:36:18 PM »
On the other hand, in order to curb such a trend, perhaps the Constitution should be overhauled or replaced altogether, in order to put new/better constraints on the institutions.  Obviously stuff like freedom of speech, press, and religion would remain; it would simply be a rewrite of the government itself and the functions and powers allotted to it.

I've always thought this would be a good idea. Those who drafted it in the 18th century couldn't possibly have predicted what life would hold and what government would be like today. It does seem outdated today

Is it about predictions? I thought it was about universal human values. The US Constitution itself was based on *much* older document from the 13th century. Who was it who said "the price of freedom is eternal vigilance"? I'd say that included knowing the history and origins of one's country i.e. England, the peasant's revolt, the Magna Carta, the English Bill or Rights, Great Britain, religious pilgrims seeking freedom, people seeking freedom from arrogant government, the formation of the UN by the second world war victors (Britain, the US, Russia et al.) etc. But then that takes effort I suppose.

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« Reply #898 on: August 06, 2010, 07:39:23 AM »
Indeed. Americans are rather selective not only of what they remember, but how they remember it. In addition, I feel as though we take the "constant vigilance" bit too far, to the point where any cooperation between the government and its people is needlessly difficult.
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« Reply #899 on: August 18, 2010, 09:49:13 PM »
I will go tomorrow to hear Francis Fukuyama. It's been too long since I read his famous book. It's going to be interesting, that's for sure. I don't know what to ask him if I get the chance.

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« Reply #900 on: August 20, 2010, 11:04:43 AM »
The recent Daily Show episode concerning the Mosque was well done with the Charlton Heston clip. 

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« Reply #901 on: August 20, 2010, 06:59:47 PM »
Yes. It was amazing.

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« Reply #902 on: August 24, 2010, 11:48:44 AM »
Wow, another great one with the Saudi News Copr shareholder bashing by Fox....

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« Reply #904 on: September 06, 2010, 06:07:47 AM »
Hef is right on all things. Except for when I disagree with him. In which case he's probably still right.

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« Reply #905 on: September 06, 2010, 06:59:55 AM »
On that note, apparently Sarah Palin tried to tweet Glenn Beck during his beckapalooza rally thing, and instead tweeted Beck the musician about it.  :lol
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« Reply #906 on: September 06, 2010, 08:52:26 PM »
On that note, I find it interesting that Beck's most well-known lyric is "I'm a loser baby, so why don't you kill me"
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« Reply #908 on: September 07, 2010, 04:09:28 PM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11223457

Awful.

Also good publicity. Which is all it is.

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« Reply #909 on: September 08, 2010, 01:27:01 PM »
https://www.theonion.com/articles/us-ends-combat-operations-in-iraq,18045/


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Oct. 11, 2002: In the most crucial victory of the campaign, the Bush administration wins enough congressional votes to authorize war
Apr. 12, 2003: Statue of Iraqi track star Taffar Al Saffar toppled in front of Mosul Boys & Girls Club
Nov. 27, 2003: President Bush absentmindedly gnaws at prop Thanksgiving turkey while watching The New Three Stooges cartoon on portable DVD player
Oct. 17, 2004: Anger over the invasion and daily bombings spurs the creation of al-Qaeda in Iraq, finally producing the enemy we need to justify the war
Nov. 7, 2004: The second, and best, Battle of Fallujah begins
Nov. 11, 2006: A drone aircraft armed with Hellfire missiles foils a carefully orchestrated plan to wed Hakim Jassar al-Rawi and Sanaa Haydar
Dec. 30, 2006: Iraqi officials execute the most convincing of Saddam Hussein's look-alikes
May. 2007: 121 U.S. troops die, which is way less than 500

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