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Re: The P/R-side Chat Thread v.2
« Reply #702 on: February 28, 2010, 10:17:54 PM »
Well this sucks.

https://www.publicbroadcasting.net/kcur/news.newsmain/article/0/1/1616863/KCUR.News/KS.Smoking.Ban.Approved..Bill.Now.Goes.to.Governor

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They have also criticized the bill because it exempts state-owned casinos, but not other businesses.
Talk about big cojones.  "Ah, nobody will notice, and who cares if they do.  :lol"
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Re: The P/R-side Chat Thread v.2
« Reply #704 on: March 11, 2010, 01:45:01 PM »
Since the K2 thread got closed...Just felt like mentioning that the news here reported this morning that Kansas is now the first state that has banned the sale of K2.

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Re: The P/R-side Chat Thread v.2
« Reply #705 on: March 11, 2010, 07:00:20 PM »
Since the K2 thread got closed...Just felt like mentioning that the news here reported this morning that Kansas is now the first state that has banned the sale of K2.
The first of 50.  A shame, actually.  There was some talk on other boards that maybe one state would have the balls/common sense to try regulating it instead of criminalizing it, just as an experiment.  It seems like anything that will give you a buzz and doesn't have a massive lobbying base will just never be acceptable to The Man. 
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Re: The P/R-side Chat Thread v.2
« Reply #706 on: March 12, 2010, 12:50:49 AM »
Since the K2 thread got closed...Just felt like mentioning that the news here reported this morning that Kansas is now the first state that has banned the sale of K2.
The first of 50.  A shame, actually.  There was some talk on other boards that maybe one state would have the balls/common sense to try regulating it instead of criminalizing it, just as an experiment.  It seems like anything that will give you a buzz and doesn't have a massive lobbying base will just never be acceptable to The Man. 

That's still possible. I mean, this is Kansas we're talking about, not Califnoria, New York, or some even a blue state.

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Re: The P/R-side Chat Thread v.2
« Reply #707 on: March 15, 2010, 05:45:05 AM »
It's a shame, really. I only started drinking last summer out of curiosity of the effects, and when the time comes that I feel the want to try a different high, I'll have to go through illicit means, potentially exposing myself to criminal prosecution for merely being curious. The government tells me I can drink to get a high, but not smoke?

I've been thinking about sending an e-mail to my MLA or MP (regional Canadian provincial & federal representatives) and directly asking them why a substance such as weed is illicit. I suppose they'd just tell me it's a dangerous, addictive substance, eh?

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« Reply #708 on: March 17, 2010, 04:20:32 PM »
I suppose they'd just tell me it's a dangerous, addictive substance, eh?
Chances are fairly high they will. Weed seems to be seen as a lot more dangerous than alcohol. Both are legal here and alcohol certainly causes more trouble (and is also consumed more than weed though).

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« Reply #709 on: March 20, 2010, 02:13:58 PM »
"Don't do it for me, do it for the people who need help"

WTF?

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« Reply #710 on: March 21, 2010, 11:45:41 AM »
"Don't do it for me, do it for the people who need help"

WTF?

? Obama on why we should pass health care?

I'm confused.

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« Reply #711 on: March 21, 2010, 11:51:11 AM »
Yeah, Obama reading his speech yesterday.

IMO, that's not an argument but just an evocation of sentiments. He's practically saying: please vote with your heart and not with your head.

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« Reply #712 on: March 22, 2010, 05:39:46 AM »
So this thing passed then?
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« Reply #713 on: March 22, 2010, 08:21:26 AM »
My condolences.

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Re: The P/R-side Chat Thread v.2
« Reply #714 on: March 22, 2010, 08:38:39 AM »
So this thing passed then?

Yep. Apparently we should expect the tanks to be rolling down the streets any minute now.
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Re: The P/R-side Chat Thread v.2
« Reply #715 on: March 22, 2010, 08:42:35 AM »
My friend's FB status: RIP America: 1776-2010.

Fuck that.  Who's in for a group trip to the doctor's office?

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« Reply #716 on: March 22, 2010, 08:44:00 AM »
My friend's FB status: RIP America: 1776-2010.

Fuck that.  Who's in for a group trip to the doctor's office?

I realized that a lot of people who are opposed to this Health Care reform don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

The arguments have boiled down to ZOMG SOCIALISM and DON'T TAX ME

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« Reply #717 on: March 22, 2010, 08:47:09 AM »
Damn it.

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« Reply #718 on: March 22, 2010, 08:47:56 AM »
Touche. It's not even a real national healthcare plan.  Canada and Europe have real healthcare plans.  This is something completely different, which never would have happened starting from scratch.

No one would have thought twice if the Republicans decide to expand medicaid.  

IMO, it's about time.

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« Reply #719 on: March 22, 2010, 08:51:05 AM »
I'm no fan of the healthcare bill, but it's fascinating to me that all of these people who think this is the death-knell for Amerika seemed to be all sunshine and lollipops in 2002.  Personally, I think the bells been pealing for a while.  This is just another chime, and nowhere near as loud as the USAPATRIOT Act or the senseless, bloody land grabs in the Middle East. 
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« Reply #720 on: March 22, 2010, 08:52:42 AM »
A reply to my friend's status:

"This country is so fucked.  Who wants to help me with starting the militia."

I know this person.  He is being completely serious.

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Re: The P/R-side Chat Thread v.2
« Reply #721 on: March 22, 2010, 08:53:27 AM »
It's pathetic

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« Reply #722 on: March 22, 2010, 09:11:02 AM »
My friend's FB status: RIP America: 1776-2010.

Fuck that.  Who's in for a group trip to the doctor's office?
I realized that a lot of people who are opposed to this Health Care reform don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

The arguments have boiled down to ZOMG SOCIALISM and DON'T TAX ME
I love you, PLM, but seriously. No.

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Re: The P/R-side Chat Thread v.2
« Reply #723 on: March 22, 2010, 09:12:48 AM »
My friend's FB status: RIP America: 1776-2010.

Fuck that.  Who's in for a group trip to the doctor's office?
I realized that a lot of people who are opposed to this Health Care reform don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

The arguments have boiled down to ZOMG SOCIALISM and DON'T TAX ME
I love you, PLM, but seriously. No.

Have you talked to the people I've talked to?

They're insane

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« Reply #724 on: March 22, 2010, 09:13:51 AM »
No, em, he's pretty much right.  The fact that they're still calling it "Obamacare" just goes to show you how little they know.  They're completely riffing off of the fact that scared, old, white people don't like Obama by prefixing his name to everything the government does.  Did you see the statistics about when the Tea Parties were polled yet?  

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« Reply #725 on: March 22, 2010, 09:26:28 AM »
Funny, a LOT of people I know who are bitching up a storm about this healthcare bill and farewell, America, and how much it's going to cost, are the same ones who NEVER seem to have one negative word to say about spending trillions of dollars and thousands of lives liberating a country that we at least THOUGHT maybe had some weapons that they shouldn't have had.

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Mrs. Cozmo directed me to a comment I quite liked, regarding people who love to constantly bang the "Founding Fathers Drum":

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I know how unique the founding of our country was and I appreciate the effort and sacrifice made by so many of our predecessors. But so many people refer to the intentions of the Founding Fathers when trying to decide what our policies should be today.

Our founding fathers were a product of their time and as such they wanted to govern based on those times. If any one of them were around today they would likely go insane trying to lead this country. Besides, they created a country with the intentions of the country actually advancing. Advancement brings with it change. And some change is good and some may be bad. But we need to make our decisions based on the realities of today, not by looking back at a group of people who had no possible way of knowing what obstacles would present themselves.

So founding fathers, my ass.  This country wasn't just running along, doing AWESOME until the big bad Democrats came along and fucked with the founding fathers, on a healthcare issue.

Admittedly, I don't know a whole lot about politics or this healthcare bill in specific.  For me, politics is generally like the verbal equivalent of watching paint dry.  As far as this whole healthcare thing is concerned, I think about the fact that forever and a day, you hear people bitching about how awful and unfair and stick it to the consumer the whole health care system in this country is.  Now that someone wants to attempt to do something about it, suddenly, somehow, the old system that f*cked you 234 different ways from Sunday is just fine?  WTF?

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« Reply #726 on: March 22, 2010, 11:06:46 AM »
I don't buy the "You are complaining about this (healthcare) but not about this (unnecessary wars)?". One thing is being your now-a-days Republican which, honestly, are in the line of Neo-Conservatism. The mainstream has been for the past year Progressives vs Neo-Cons. And this is the spectrum where people just usually lie and start their discussions not considering what others have said.

Hell, we all know that there's more than one spectrum. Concerning the Tea Party, they lack good leadership from someone who knows what it really is about. They have become people who have a vague idea of what they are supposed to do but get carried away and start shouting harangues at people who don't agree with them. They lack a focus and leadership, and thus they won't accomplish anything.

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« Reply #727 on: March 22, 2010, 11:08:08 AM »
I think they should take a good look at how health care is done in most European countries.

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« Reply #728 on: March 22, 2010, 11:11:11 AM »
I think they should take a good look at how health care is done in most European countries.
This is true. Also, they should look at how good are the fiscal books over there.

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« Reply #729 on: March 22, 2010, 12:19:00 PM »
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Hell, we all know that there's more than one spectrum. Concerning the Tea Party, they lack good leadership from someone who knows what it really is about. They have become people who have a vague idea of what they are supposed to do but get carried away and start shouting harangues at people who don't agree with them. They lack a focus and leadership, and thus they won't accomplish anything.

Because at the end of the day, people really don't give a shit about ideology. Ideology won't inspire Americans to do anything. We need buzzwords, talking points, etc. 

All these people are complaining about health-care when during the campaign the democratic candidates both said they agreed with a bill that would have been much stronger than this if not a complete government take over of the industry.  Same with Republicans-- it'll (thankfully) never be about adhering to the "small government no matter what happens or what the people demand" ideology because the minute a republican gets into office, 2/3rds of the complainers start walking around with firecrackers in their ass; just like so many of the anti-war protestors on the Obama bandwagon suddenly think the war is a good thing.

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« Reply #730 on: March 22, 2010, 12:25:55 PM »
I think they should take a good look at how health care is done in most European countries.
This is true. Also, they should look at how good are the fiscal books over there.

Regardless, most of them look better than ours, only their people can actually go to the doctors.

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« Reply #731 on: March 22, 2010, 01:20:48 PM »
Even if some do, people should start looking for the best option and not for better options. I mean, you guys used to have the best medical treatment and the great majority found it affordable. Those who couldn't, found a helping hand with charity. What I find baffling is why people aren't asking why.

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« Reply #732 on: March 22, 2010, 02:06:20 PM »
A few gems from my Facebook news feed, featuring the Fordham University College Republicans

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Regardless of your feelings on the issue, isn't this all a little EXTREME? I'm embarrassed for my classmates, and worried that these douchebags are going to be the ones running things in a few decades.

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Re: The P/R-side Chat Thread v.2
« Reply #733 on: March 22, 2010, 02:16:48 PM »
Even if some do, people should start looking for the best option and not for better options. I mean, you guys used to have the best medical treatment and the great majority found it affordable. Those who couldn't, found a helping hand with charity. What I find baffling is why people aren't asking why.
I think everybody knows why.  All aspects of the industry have become incredibly expensive because all of the people within it are trying to get rich.  Doctors, hospitals, big pharm, lawyers, insurance companies. An entire subset of civilization, all trying to get rich off of humanities interest in staying alive.  When it was nothing more than a doctor who wanted to treat people, of course it was affordable.  The days of doctors taking livestock for payment are long past.  They all want to be driving Porsches now.  
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« Reply #734 on: March 22, 2010, 02:17:01 PM »
this is hardly reason enough to start a revolution. And we are definitely NOT less free because of this bill