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Re: The P/R-side Chat Thread v.2
« Reply #455 on: September 24, 2009, 11:13:49 PM »
Like I said, Tutti frutti. One day you are socialist, one day you are a "libertarian", depending on your mood you tingle with social democracy. It's nothing coherent.

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« Reply #456 on: September 24, 2009, 11:14:18 PM »
This is something Disappear and Scheavo will love

https://www.noticias24.com/actualidad/noticia/91005/venezuela-prohibe-bajo-amenaza-de-sancion-la-emision-de-family-guy/

I'm sorry, but it's in Spanish. It says that "Venezuela prohibits the transmission of Family Guy because it supports the legalization of marijuana. Chavez considers that Venezuelans have been corrupted by American Capitalistic values and they need new humanistic moral codes". 

Thank God Big Brother decides what's good for you. I love how freedom reigns in Venezuela.

Wait, don't they censor stuff all the time and throw ppl in jail for smoking pot in the mostest freedomest country in the world? I would hardly call banning a show that promotes illegal drugs "dictatorship." It sounds like common sense conservatism to me.
Of course it is.

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« Reply #457 on: September 24, 2009, 11:19:25 PM »
That means every country that censors obscene programing is a dictatorship. Thankfully you are including USA, this makes me happy.
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« Reply #458 on: September 24, 2009, 11:20:45 PM »
Any country that tells you what you can watch on TV or not, follows the same pattern. Some have it in disguise some are more open towards it.

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« Reply #459 on: September 24, 2009, 11:24:43 PM »
Like I said, Tutti frutti. One day you are socialist, one day you are a "libertarian", depending on your mood you tingle with social democracy. It's nothing coherent.

Yes it is. Why are any of those mutually exclusive to one another? Could it possibly be that - just maybe - there are commonalities between socialism and classical liberalism / libertarianism? It's also not as if socialism or liberalism give a complete answer to the question of governance.  

Most importantly, notice how you just pointed to labels, and not my actual positions? (and isn't a social democratic a.. uh.. socalist?)

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« Reply #460 on: September 24, 2009, 11:24:51 PM »
Any country that tells you what you can watch on TV or not, follows the same pattern. Some have it in disguise some are more open towards it.
Um, they banned a show that was promoting an illegal drug. Hardly dictatorship. They'd do the same in USA.
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« Reply #461 on: September 24, 2009, 11:35:06 PM »
Any country that tells you what you can watch on TV or not, follows the same pattern. Some have it in disguise some are more open towards it.
Um, they banned a show that was promoting an illegal drug. Hardly dictatorship. They'd do the same in USA.
Is Family Guy banned in the USA?

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« Reply #462 on: September 24, 2009, 11:39:47 PM »
Like I said, Tutti frutti. One day you are socialist, one day you are a "libertarian", depending on your mood you tingle with social democracy. It's nothing coherent.

Yes it is. Why are any of those mutually exclusive to one another? Could it possibly be that - just maybe - there are commonalities between socialism and classical liberalism / libertarianism? It's also not as if socialism or liberalism give a complete answer to the question of governance. 

Most importantly, notice how you just pointed to labels, and not my actual positions? (and isn't a social democratic a.. uh.. socialist?)
At the last point, yeah, but they put democratic just to make it look nicer... like German Democratic Republic. It's a charade.

And for the rest, they turn up (the terms) contradicting each other, you know? The purpose is that they don't contradict so they can work correctly.

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« Reply #463 on: September 24, 2009, 11:48:38 PM »
Like I said, Tutti frutti. One day you are socialist, one day you are a "libertarian", depending on your mood you tingle with social democracy. It's nothing coherent.

Yes it is. Why are any of those mutually exclusive to one another? Could it possibly be that - just maybe - there are commonalities between socialism and classical liberalism / libertarianism? It's also not as if socialism or liberalism give a complete answer to the question of governance. 

Most importantly, notice how you just pointed to labels, and not my actual positions? (and isn't a social democratic a.. uh.. socialist?)


And for the rest, they turn up (the terms) contradicting each other, you know? The purpose is that they don't contradict so they can work correctly.

Huh? So the theories don't contradict each other?

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« Reply #464 on: September 24, 2009, 11:52:16 PM »
Any country that tells you what you can watch on TV or not, follows the same pattern. Some have it in disguise some are more open towards it.
Um, they banned a show that was promoting an illegal drug. Hardly dictatorship. They'd do the same in USA.
Is Family Guy banned in the USA?
No, to the dismay of conservatives. To the delight of them, Janet Jackson's titty is.
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« Reply #465 on: September 25, 2009, 02:15:24 AM »
Like I said, Tutti frutti. One day you are socialist, one day you are a "libertarian", depending on your mood you tingle with social democracy. It's nothing coherent.
Pidgeonhole people more why don't you?

P.S. Family Guy should just be banned because it's shit.

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« Reply #466 on: September 25, 2009, 07:12:30 AM »
Like I said, Tutti frutti. One day you are socialist, one day you are a "libertarian", depending on your mood you tingle with social democracy. It's nothing coherent.
Pidgeonhole people more why don't you?

P.S. Family Guy should just be banned because it's shit.
No pigeon-hole, read his posts.

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« Reply #467 on: September 25, 2009, 02:08:29 PM »
Like I said, Tutti frutti. One day you are socialist, one day you are a "libertarian", depending on your mood you tingle with social democracy. It's nothing coherent.
Pidgeonhole people more why don't you?

P.S. Family Guy should just be banned because it's shit.
No pigeon-hole, read his posts.

His point is that your pigeon-holing me into labels, and then saying I contradict myself becuase of those labels.

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Re: The P/R-side Chat Thread v.2
« Reply #468 on: September 25, 2009, 03:51:55 PM »
Exactly but you have to give him a break. It's difficult to see points when you're purposefully trying to ignore them.

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« Reply #469 on: September 25, 2009, 04:17:41 PM »
Meh, seems like a symptom of his dogmatism to me.

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« Reply #470 on: September 26, 2009, 02:34:00 PM »
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When you say something is a slippery slope fallacy, you aren't making any qualitative statements about the person's conclusion. You are making a statement about their logic. As in, not the end, but the means. Your conclusion could very well come true, but that doesn't mean the argument you gave for it was rational and not fallacious.

Basically, an argument uses the slippery slope fallacy when they state that a - > b -> c -> d -> e, and e is bad, therefore we shouldn't do a. It's when you give a long trail of possible events, but which quite easily could not occur. So the reason why your "counter examples" don't matter is becuase it's irrelevant to what is fallacious about a slippery slope. A could lead to b, which could lead to, which could lead to d, which could lead to e, but there's no reason why it has to lead to e. If you start giving reasons why each one has to lead to the other, than you're not being fallacious. A good example of a slippery slope fallacy in today's world is the idea that legalizing gay marriage is somehow going to lead to legalizing bestiality and animal marriages. Could such a series of events play out? I can't say they can't, but it's also absurd to think that they will.

And if you could list one of your "counter examples," in full, I could possibly try and answer your question more fully.





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« Reply #472 on: September 28, 2009, 12:10:25 PM »
probably old news....but Chicago's Olympic Committy must be pleased with the person presenting their bid for them.
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Re: The P/R-side Chat Thread v.2
« Reply #473 on: September 29, 2009, 03:43:30 PM »
Does anyone else keep on reading the thread titled "The FDA's ban on fruit flavored cigarettes is baseless" as "The FDA's ban on fruit flavored cigarettes is badass"?

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« Reply #474 on: September 29, 2009, 09:27:47 PM »
Ron Paul just rocked the Daily Show with amazing levels of win.
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« Reply #475 on: September 29, 2009, 09:29:34 PM »
Ron Paul just rocked the Daily Show with amazing levels of win.
I'll have to find it on Youtube or something later.

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« Reply #476 on: September 29, 2009, 09:34:08 PM »
You'll be able to go to www.thedailyshow.com to see it.
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« Reply #477 on: September 30, 2009, 12:06:46 PM »
Does anyone else keep on reading the thread titled "The FDA's ban on fruit flavored cigarettes is baseless" as "The FDA's ban on fruit flavored cigarettes is badass"?
I keep reading it as "The FDA's ban on fruit flavored cigarettes is tasteless." :neverusethis:
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« Reply #478 on: September 30, 2009, 02:19:14 PM »
You know it's a thread by AndyDT when by the time you're done trying to figure it out, it's locked.

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« Reply #479 on: September 30, 2009, 02:41:32 PM »
My brain hurts trying to decipher his point there. And I thought I was cryptic... :|
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« Reply #480 on: October 01, 2009, 07:12:29 AM »
My brain hurts trying to decipher his point there. And I thought I was cryptic... :|

You don't see Germany's "cultural" exclusion of Turkey from the EU as racism? Or Berlusconi repeatedly calling Obama and his wife "tanned" as racism? Is this the same Disappear I'm talking to.

As for the topic getting locked it seems to rather prove the point I made that racism is ok, if it's continental Europe. You imagine a British or American person calling an Indian American politician as "tanned" or a white politician as "untanned" perhaps and them not being held to account for it.

I think some Americans have a weirdly rosy view of Continental politics like because it's tradiitionally more statist it's some benign entity. Aside from the EU being far beyond statist and statism being highly contentious to say the least, you don't seem to realise that Europe is vociferously "racist" by the developed English-speaking world's standards. Many people there have an almost spiritual association with the land they inhabit which they consider is theirs as the original white settlers. They don't come here and try to justify it or feel the need to - many are passionate about this and believe it is worth defending on those terms.

So you often get continental European countries trying to keep out or put down the "other". Millions voted for Le Pen in France,  abuse of black British footballers almost every time a game is played in Spain, Berlusconi making "gaffs" (as if somehow he couldn't help it), Germany stating that long-time NATO ally Turkey, a secular country, should be excluded from the EU on "cultural" grounds.

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« Reply #481 on: October 01, 2009, 07:17:19 AM »
And as for the EU being far beyond statist, it's now come full circle to reveal what it was about all along: the domination of conitnental Europe by a united France and Germany:

https://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6856174.ece

"Joschka Fischer, a former German Foreign Minister, said the Franco-German axis had to come into its own again whatever the fate of the Lisbon treaty. The centre of gravity of Europe can only be Paris and Berlin, he told Le Monde last weekend. Britain has decided to stay on the edge. Italy is . . . Italy. Poland has a way to come. Spain is buried in deep crisis.

The prospect of Britain electing a Eurosceptic Conservative government is said to have removed any French qualms and Mr Sarkozy has buried the differences with Ms Merkel that dogged the first 18 months of his presidency. He has appointed Germanophile officials, including Bruno Le Maire, his new German-speaking Agriculture Minister, given the task of securing a deal on Common Agriculture Policy spending. Mr Sarkozy and Ms Merkel have found common ground since the crisis of 2008, standing together against London and Washington over bankers pay and tax havens "


The Irish vote on the Lisbon Treaty tomorrow IIRC, I hope they remember this.

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« Reply #482 on: October 01, 2009, 10:43:45 AM »
Interesting. Thanks for clearing it up. Not having lived in Europe for long periods of time I can't make judgments on racial attitudes there.
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« Reply #483 on: October 01, 2009, 03:25:56 PM »
"Not by wrath does one kill but by laughter."

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« Reply #484 on: October 02, 2009, 05:39:47 AM »
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« Reply #485 on: October 02, 2009, 06:05:03 AM »
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« Reply #487 on: October 02, 2009, 08:10:21 AM »
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« Reply #488 on: October 02, 2009, 12:29:39 PM »
lol....what a cry baby. Disbarred too.

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« Reply #489 on: October 02, 2009, 03:42:09 PM »
Thank you for changing your signature NR.