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« Reply #315 on: August 17, 2009, 10:45:11 PM »
Quote from: Nigerius Rex on August 17, 2009, 09:02:42 PM
Wasnt talking about UHC, I was talking about free higher education which is bullshit and impractical.

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but it also ignores the desire s of the people who want UHC. People pushing for UHC also push for cheaper/free higher education.

Thats a generalization of people who want universal health care.

It may have been a bit brash of me to say something broad like that without first reading up on free higher education.

I hate when you do this to me...its not a fallacy. The government has been continuously and more frequently intervening in the private sector recently.

And yes that is a generalizatino, but it's a pretty sound one. Who supports UHC? Liberals. Who supports free higher education? Liberals. I'll admit that I'm sure there's pelnty of exceptions, where some people want one or the other, but not both.

And it's still a slippery slope argument. The only way for it not to be a slippery slope argument is for you to show directly how UHC and free higher education leads to free food, etc. To put it differently, I'm not saying that you are wrong, I'm saying you're not giving an argument for it at all. Basing an argument solely upon a slow transgression of events, without arguments of why they would happen - and especially when the end result is absrud -  is a slippery slope fallacy.
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« Reply #316 on: August 18, 2009, 01:16:00 PM »
But of course it's not "free" and never can be "free".
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« Reply #317 on: August 18, 2009, 01:17:32 PM »
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But of course it's not "free" and never can be "free".
No but I'll gladly pay taxes so I don't have to be in a ridiculous amount of debt after I finish university:

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8205539.stm
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« Reply #318 on: August 18, 2009, 01:19:10 PM »
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Quote from: AndyDT on August 18, 2009, 01:16:00 PM
But of course it's not "free" and never can be "free".
No but I'll gladly pay taxes so I don't have to be in a ridiculous amount of debt after I finish university:

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8205539.stm

It'll cost you more than money - IT WILL COST YOU YOUR MASCULINITY.
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« Reply #319 on: August 18, 2009, 01:20:32 PM »
I guess I'm not anglo centric swonpotz enough.
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« Reply #320 on: August 18, 2009, 03:19:41 PM »
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No but I'll gladly pay more taxes so that the government can still be in a tremendous amount of debt after I finish university:
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« Reply #321 on: August 18, 2009, 09:44:19 PM »
Emin sends his greetings from ColOmbia.
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« Reply #322 on: August 19, 2009, 10:31:54 AM »
Quote from: Nigerius Rex on August 18, 2009, 03:19:41 PM
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No but I'll gladly pay more taxes so that the government can still be in a tremendous amount of debt after I finish university:
lol

The only reason they introduced tuition fees was to try and help universities get more funding. Not to pay the government.
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« Reply #323 on: August 19, 2009, 12:33:50 PM »
Government paying for it = disaster in the long term.

For everyone not in college or who never plans on going to college and still pays taxes.

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« Reply #324 on: August 19, 2009, 02:00:35 PM »
This argument has been addressed millions of times.

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Nice dodge.  :tup

I'll assume you mean he dodged the thing about being entitled to other people's work?

In that case, why don't we have private companies ensuring cops, the military, and firefighters? If you can't afford to pay for them when they're needed, and you don't have insurance, they don't help you.
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Re: The P/R-side Chat Thread v.2
« Reply #325 on: August 19, 2009, 06:22:40 PM »
huh?
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« Reply #326 on: August 19, 2009, 08:52:17 PM »
Quote from: Nigerius Rex on August 19, 2009, 12:33:50 PM
Government paying for it = disaster in the long term.

For everyone not in college or who never plans on going to college and still pays taxes.

Are you saying the government paying for anything is a disaster in the long run, or that government paying for education is a disaster in the long run?

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« Reply #327 on: August 19, 2009, 11:55:59 PM »
The government paying for anything that it should not be paying for, ex. higher education for millions of people, universal healthcare for millions of people, welfare for millions of people, etc is always a disaster.

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« Reply #328 on: August 20, 2009, 12:32:49 AM »
How does it lead to disaster? Why does it lead to a disaster? When has it lead to a disaster?

What disasters?

Disaster economically? Disaster in terms of the quality of the health care, education or whatever other service rendered?

 
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Re: The P/R-side Chat Thread v.2
« Reply #329 on: August 20, 2009, 01:09:43 AM »
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« Reply #330 on: August 20, 2009, 01:50:57 AM »
Quote from: Nigerius Rex on August 20, 2009, 01:09:43 AM
This will answer all of those questions

Is arrogance and a feeling of superiority a required trait of libertarians?

Oh, and tomorrow, I'm goin to start another thread about how silly the "broken window" fallacy is. The last one got ruined when the forums got crashed, and I'd say the libertarians caught a break.
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« Reply #331 on: August 20, 2009, 02:15:42 AM »
Offering you a piece of historically validated economic literature that directly answers all of the questions you just posed makes me arrogant?

Damn. I wonder what that makes you.
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« Reply #332 on: August 20, 2009, 02:27:20 AM »
Quote from: Nigerius Rex on August 20, 2009, 02:15:42 AM
Offering you a piece of historically validated economic literature that directly answers all of the questions you just posed makes me arrogant?

Damn. I wonder what that makes you.

It makes you arrogant because you're assuming my ignorance, and assuming your omniscience. You're assuming I haven't read the literature in question, and it assumes that it will contain ALL my answers.

Besides, I wasn't asking those questinos in general, I was asking about your position. You said it always "leads to disaster," but that is an extremely vauge thing to say.
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Re: The P/R-side Chat Thread v.2
« Reply #333 on: August 20, 2009, 08:39:36 AM »
As I recall, the preface was even sillier than the broken window fallacy. 
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« Reply #334 on: August 20, 2009, 11:54:31 AM »
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Besides, I wasn't asking those questinos in general, I was asking about your position. You said it always "leads to disaster," but that is an extremely vauge thing to say.

The reason I linked you to it was because those answers are my answers, so quit bitching about why I linked you to it and just go read it.
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« Reply #335 on: August 20, 2009, 02:30:01 PM »
Quote from: Nigerius Rex on August 20, 2009, 11:54:31 AM
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Besides, I wasn't asking those questinos in general, I was asking about your position. You said it always "leads to disaster," but that is an extremely vauge thing to say.

The reason I linked you to it was because those answers are my answers, so quit bitching about why I linked you to it and just go read it.

And who says I haven't? You're stil assuming my ignorance, are you not?

And thanks for saying yourself that you're a dogmatist (not that there's anything necessarily wrong with that.. it' just opens up another debate).
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« Reply #336 on: August 20, 2009, 03:04:01 PM »
Nigerius Rex, do you actually like Dream Theater?

It just occurred to me that I had never seen you post outside of P&R before so I had a quick look through the list of every post you've made and I was right :lol
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« Reply #337 on: August 20, 2009, 03:40:38 PM »
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And who says I haven't? You're stil assuming my ignorance, are you not?

Obviously not you because instead of just saying "no I havent/have read it" and leaving it at that, you went on about how ignorant I am.

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It just occurred to me that I had never seen you post outside of P&R before so I had a quick look through the list of every post you've made and I was right

Love dream theater, I guess I have just got into such a habit of P/r that I never really go to any other boards  :lol
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« Reply #338 on: August 20, 2009, 03:49:42 PM »
Quote from: Nigerius Rex on August 20, 2009, 03:40:38 PM
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And who says I haven't? You're stil assuming my ignorance, are you not?

Obviously not you because instead of just saying "no I havent/have read it" and leaving it at that, you went on about how ignorant I am.

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When - at least in this discussion - have I said how ignorant you are? I never went on at all about how ignorant you are, I went on about how you are assuming my arrogance. Please, stop making things up.

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« Reply #339 on: August 20, 2009, 04:38:27 PM »
Bitching is bitching, not reading a book does not make you arrogant.

It was a simple reccomendation that you are turning into a giant fiasco. Get over it already.
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« Reply #340 on: August 20, 2009, 05:06:47 PM »
Quote from: Nigerius Rex on August 20, 2009, 04:38:27 PM
Bitching is bitching, not reading a book does not make you arrogant.

It was a simple reccomendation that you are turning into a giant fiasco. Get over it already.

Dude, I HAVE READ IT

Continue with your arrogance though.
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« Reply #341 on: August 20, 2009, 05:55:46 PM »
Now why couldn't we have just saved 8 posts and you could have said that after I posted the link.

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« Reply #342 on: August 20, 2009, 06:00:26 PM »
Quote from: Nigerius Rex on August 20, 2009, 05:55:46 PM
Now why couldn't we have just saved 8 posts and you could have said that after I posted the link.



I did? What else do you think I mean when I said, "you assume I haven't read it"? Would I post that if you were right?
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Re: The P/R-side Chat Thread v.2
« Reply #343 on: August 20, 2009, 06:34:02 PM »
Playing devils advocate maybe?
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« Reply #344 on: August 20, 2009, 07:29:23 PM »
Doesn't that require the assumption that I haven't read it?
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« Reply #345 on: August 20, 2009, 08:03:23 PM »
P/R really does stand for "pedantic and ridiculous" sometimes...
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« Reply #346 on: August 20, 2009, 08:40:10 PM »
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P/R really does stand for "pedantic and ridiculous" sometimes...

Sorry millah, Ive asked you over and over to respect other people. Gonna have to give you a warning.
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« Reply #347 on: August 21, 2009, 06:17:07 AM »
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P/R really does stand for "pedantic and ridiculous" sometimes...

Sorry millah, Ive asked you over and over to respect other people. Gonna have to give you a warning.

 :blush

No fair...you don't warn hefdaddy or bosk1...
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« Reply #348 on: August 21, 2009, 12:29:33 PM »
Oh trust me, they got theres.   :police:
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« Reply #349 on: August 21, 2009, 01:16:12 PM »
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