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« Reply #1470 on: March 02, 2012, 11:34:59 AM »
Religious lol of the day:

So I'm sure everyone here's pretty familiar with the story of Roman occupation of Judea and why the zealots and other opposition parties formed. In case you're not, the reason is because the Romans asked that, as members of the Roman Empire, we Jews offer a small prayer at the end of our religious rituals basically asking our deity to bless the Caesar. The Jews cried "Blasphemy!" and fought the Romans basically to the death, ending in our exile from our own native homeland and kingdom (again), two millennia of persecution under various emperors and later under kings, czars, and Hitler, coming face-to-face with near extinction, the destruction of the Holy Temple and the theft of its sacred items, and religious subjugation everywhere we went until the last century or so, even in our own country. Now, two thousand years later, most if not all Jewish prayer services include a prayer such that God may blesss "the President, the Vice President, and all constituted officers of this land."

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« Reply #1472 on: March 03, 2012, 08:01:15 PM »


It's so weird, I was watching him on TV a few days ago and I was just thinking, "Man, he looks like he belongs in a Steve Carell movie."
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« Reply #1473 on: March 07, 2012, 09:49:51 AM »
I think that from now on, any time someone I know uses the term "founding fathers", I'll ask them "Wait, are you talking about the guys who founded the country, or the Founding Fathers© , who seem to be these mythical beings that always agree with whatever the Republicans say?"

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« Reply #1474 on: March 07, 2012, 09:56:38 AM »
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« Reply #1475 on: March 07, 2012, 09:57:55 AM »
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« Reply #1476 on: March 10, 2012, 07:55:33 AM »
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« Reply #1477 on: March 10, 2012, 02:39:02 PM »
One Million Moms is a website based on intolerance and the inability to count. It's named the same way a kid might call himself Commander Badass Boobtoucher: desperate wish-fulfillment and blatant lies. Despite being an entirely online group, they only had about 40,000 Facebook fans, an accurate count both of their real support and of how many moms don't know their kids have already blocked them. By their math, I could call my dick the Pleaser of Luxembourg and it would be more accurate, because I'm only short about half a million people.

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« Reply #1478 on: March 11, 2012, 08:42:17 AM »
https://www.islandpacket.com/2012/01/06/1918776/too-bad-ron-paul-cant-spend-a.html

A great articulation of why I can't personally get behind libertarianism.
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« Reply #1479 on: March 11, 2012, 09:02:25 AM »
I always shook my head whenever he would talk about the Civil Rights Act.

Anyway I just heard on Meet the Press that a US soldier went on a shooting rampage and killed 16 Afghan civilians in their homes the other day. I wonder why they hate us!

I can only imagine what doesn't get reported.

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« Reply #1480 on: March 11, 2012, 01:06:42 PM »
I always shook my head whenever he would talk about the Civil Rights Act.

Anyway I just heard on Meet the Press that a US soldier went on a shooting rampage and killed 16 Afghan civilians in their homes the other day. I wonder why they hate us!

I can only imagine what doesn't get reported.

Well, I think it's about high time we get the fuck out of there.

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« Reply #1481 on: March 12, 2012, 12:12:28 AM »
Can someone clarify for me the proper use of terms relating to Islam?

So 'Islam' is the religion, and 'Muslim/Moslem' is the believer. But what is the adjective? Is it 'Islamic' or 'Muslim'?
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« Reply #1482 on: March 12, 2012, 12:15:25 AM »
Can someone clarify for me the proper use of terms relating to Islam?

So 'Islam' is the religion, and 'Muslim/Moslem' is the believer. But what is the adjective? Is it 'Islamic' or 'Muslim'?


Islam is the religion.
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« Reply #1483 on: March 12, 2012, 12:44:27 AM »
I tend to prefer saying "Islamic."
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« Reply #1485 on: March 12, 2012, 12:59:23 PM »
:lol I liked the one guy, author of War and Peace 2

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« Reply #1486 on: March 12, 2012, 06:08:16 PM »
Fox News Funny of the Week: Krugman a 'menace to society'.

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« Reply #1487 on: March 12, 2012, 10:02:04 PM »
Amusing on so many levels:
https://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lax-bomb-plotter-20120313,0,795680.story
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A 22-year sentence was unreasonably lenient for Al Qaeda-trained terrorist Ahmed Ressam, who drove a trunk full of powerful explosives into the United States from Canada with the intent of bombing Los Angeles International Airport, a federal appeals court ruled Monday.

The 7-4 ruling by the full U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals sent the case back to a Seattle federal judge for resentencing with the recommendation that the Algerian-born prisoner be given a term more in line with federal sentencing guidelines that call for 65 years to life for the offenses for which Ressam was convicted.

Disputes over the appropriate punishment for Ressam have roiled the federal courts for more than a decade, as the young Algerian, who was intercepted as he entered Washington state on a ferry from Canada, initially cooperated with U.S. counterterrorism agents, exposing the inner workings of the global terror network and helping identify and convict other extremists.

But Ressam ceased cooperating with national security agents after two years, citing a fading memory and mental trauma from his harsh confinement at a federal detention facility in Seattle.

U.S. District Judge John Coughenour, who oversaw Ressam's 2001 trial and conviction on nine criminal charges, sentenced Ressam to 22 years in 2005, rejecting the government's urging of at least a 35-year term. Coughenour said the need to balance the severity of Ressam's planned attack and his contributions to the fight against terror was the most difficult decision he faced in 24 years on the federal bench. Ressam had identified 150 jihadists to U.S. intelligence agents and testified in two trials that resulted in convictions, the judge noted.

The government appealed, and a three-judge panel of the 9th Circuit struck down the sentence on procedural grounds in 2008. The U.S. Supreme Court overturned the 9th Circuit, sending the case back to Coughenour, who again imposed the 22-year term. A 9th Circuit panel vacated that sentence two years ago and ordered that a different judge decide how much time Ressam should serve.

That order was put on hold when the appeals court agreed to reconsider the case with a full 11-judge panel last year, leading to Monday's ruling that 22 years was too light a sentence for the serious terrorism offenses for which Ressam was convicted.

The 11-judge panel said a more appropriate sentence would be in the range set by federal guidelines, suggesting that Ressam remain in prison for what may be the rest of his life. The four dissenting judges, all appointees of Democratic presidents, said the district court's judgment should be respected.

Ressam would be 51 when released from prison if the 22-year sentence were left in place, the appeals court majority pointed out. The judges agreed with the government that national security could be in jeopardy if Ressam were freed at that relatively young age.

When the full 9th circuit overturns your decision as being too soft on crime, you've done something that violates the metaphysical laws of the universe.

The guy was inept enough to get nabbed almost immediately, and chickenshit enough to roll over on all of his friends over a two year span.  It seems to me that the risk of his someday being released is mitigated by the benefit of his someday being released.

This is why you never tell a detective anything other than "I'd like to speak with my attorney" and "go fuck yourself!"  They used him as a rat for two years, promising him a lenient sentence, and then spent 6 years appealing his sentence because it was lenient.  Don't cooperate with people who can't be trusted!
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Is 22 years in a federal super-max really lenient?  The risk of the guy being released after that long is that you'll have to support his non-functional ass for the next 22 years in the federal loony bin.  That's right about the time that they'll be wheeling Hinkley's dead ass out, so they can give him his room. 

It seems to me that there are really only two sentences here.  The rest of your life in prison, or half of your life in prison.  Is there any way for the former to be considered lenient? 

What's the point of allowing a judge to issue a sentence if you can overrule it on the basis that you don't like it?  This isn't a matter of being procedurally or factually wrong.  They just don't think it's cool.  The Man seeks to take a decision made by a person charged with rendering it, who used his professional judgement to mitigate punishment and reward, and toss it in lieu of an arbitrary one.  Not cool. 

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« Reply #1488 on: March 13, 2012, 04:34:57 PM »
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« Reply #1489 on: March 13, 2012, 09:30:16 PM »
Space Station Columbia

This is plenty damned fascinating.  In 1991, a private company submitted their proposal for a permanent space station, while NASA busy was trying to figure out how to build Freedom (renamed the International Space Station).  It used a stripped down version of a space shuttle, Columbia was their suggestion, and would have been baseline operational after the first mission.  By the second it would have had the operational capacity that ISS wasn't projected to reach until it's MB-13.  It would have maxed out at 24,000 cubic feet of pressurized workspace after MB-5; still a few years prior to the ISS being operational at all. 

I'd never heard of this before, but it seemed like a pretty nifty idea.  I suspect that the eventual design of the ISS was a better quality platform, but I also figure that the ODS could have been upgraded quite a bit, as well.  Unfortunately, NASA tends to prefer sexier ideas to practical ones.  That's always been it's biggest failing, IMO.  When they do take the practical approach they usually do pretty well.  When they try to take the flashy route, the result is usually wasted money, misguided programs, and charred corpses. 

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« Reply #1490 on: March 13, 2012, 11:48:30 PM »
All of this is why I hate people complaining about "those goddamned politicians:"

https://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/12/the-hypocrite-in-everyone-else/
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« Reply #1491 on: March 14, 2012, 08:42:47 AM »
And now a little bit of the lighter side of internet politicking:











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« Reply #1492 on: March 14, 2012, 03:52:12 PM »
:lol

Are those just random people or what?

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« Reply #1493 on: March 14, 2012, 04:43:39 PM »
The guy apparently is the president of the Berkeley College Republican Club. Harriet Potter I have no idea.
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« Reply #1494 on: March 14, 2012, 04:54:34 PM »
 :lol  That's good stuff man, and holy shit hippy chick does look exactly like Dan Radcliffe/Harry Potter!
The guy reminds me of David Spade's character in PCU.

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« Reply #1495 on: March 14, 2012, 06:57:58 PM »
Harriet Potter :lol

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« Reply #1496 on: March 14, 2012, 07:19:51 PM »
https://www.ricksantorum.com/enforcing-laws-against-illegal-pornography

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Congress has responded.  Current federal “obscenity” laws prohibit distribution of hardcore (obscene) pornography on the Internet, on cable/satellite TV, on hotel/motel TV, in retail shops and through the mail or by common carrier. Rick Santorum believes that federal obscenity laws should be vigorously enforced.  “If elected President, I will appoint an Attorney General who will do so.” 

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« Reply #1497 on: March 14, 2012, 07:27:09 PM »
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Is any of this actually true?
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« Reply #1498 on: March 14, 2012, 09:04:22 PM »
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Is any of this actually true?

I dunno. I can order porn in a hotel/motel, but it's mostly softcore, so he might be correct. But there is definitely hardcore on the internet. But not all of it is legally distributed.

Hmm...
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« Reply #1499 on: March 14, 2012, 09:51:03 PM »
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Is any of this actually true?
Absolutely true.  The important part is what constitutes obscenity as opposed to indecency.  Chimpy's AG went after pornographers pretty hard, but they don't have much success.  You really have to get into some pretty nasty shit to run afoul of Miller.  It also helps if The Man orders your smut from someplace particularly wholesome, so when he drags John Q. Smutpeddler across the country to be judged, it's in accordance with the community standards of a town that considers sex with the lights on to be sodomy.

Under Ashcroft, they mainly just brought charges against people to be a pain in the ass in the hopes of stifling their productions.  To this end they were actually pretty successful.  Most people would prefer to settle than risk a few years in prison.  I know of one company (which I won't name here) that packed up and folded because America was no longer a climate that the owner felt safe working in.  There's also a pretty long list of things you won't see in mainstream, Hollywood porn anymore.  Lastly, they occasionally win a case here or there.  I've mentioned Max Steiner before.  They tried him countless times until they finally won a case, and stuck him in a federal pen for a few years. 
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« Reply #1500 on: March 14, 2012, 09:59:39 PM »
I'm not really familiar with federal trials or anything, but does that basically mean that a federal obscenity case out in Bumfuck Kansas sets a precedent for the rest of the country?
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« Reply #1501 on: March 14, 2012, 10:47:25 PM »
No.  It'd only mean that the video in question was deemed obscene in Bumfuck.  Obscenity is a localized thing.  What will fly in San Francisco will probably get shot down in Bumfuck. 

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    Whether "the average person, applying contemporary community standards", would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest,
    Whether the work depicts/describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by applicable state law,
    Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value.[3]

The work is considered obscene only if all three conditions are satisfied.

Even in Bumfuck, the third condition is still pretty dicey to an open-minded jury.  Like I said, they didn't win many cases, but brought plenty of them because the threat itself was very strong deterrence.  The point was just to scare the hell out of the producers, and they were fairly successful.   
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« Reply #1502 on: March 14, 2012, 10:59:00 PM »
So it's a localized thing, but it's still tried at a federal level?
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« Reply #1503 on: March 14, 2012, 11:23:38 PM »
It's gotta be tried somewhere.  However, I suppose it'd have to be in some place with a federal court, which presumably Bumfuck would not.  Looking over US v. Extreme Associates, they picked Western Pennsylvania as a socially conservative venue.  All that'd be required is to order the videos sent to some place within the district you wish to try the case. 

BTW, it looks like the folks in the Extreme Associates case (husband and wife) got convicted after all.  Initially, their case had been dismissed (after a fairly long ordeal), which was the last I heard about it.  The DOJ appealed the decision and won, and SCOTUS upheld that decision.  After 5 years of precedings that made it all the way to the SCOTUS, they didn't have the money left to fight the charges and copped out. One year and one day, which they have now served. 
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« Reply #1504 on: March 15, 2012, 10:45:17 AM »
they picked Western Pennsylvania as a socially conservative venue
As a resident of Western Pennsylvania, I will say that they knew what they were doing when they made that choice.