The P/R-side Chat Thread v.2

[Scheavo]

https://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2011/09/07/mpaa_piracy_claims_amount_to_2_000_per_pirate

Damnit how did they know I'd buy 200 discs last year.

The MPAA so in touch....

Lol, funny for several reasons.

It actually reminds me of the "broken window" fallacy, or I should so, it's the kind of fallacious logic that makes "the broken window fallacy." The false assumption here is that the money wasn't spent elsewhere, or that the money would have been available for purchase. If you can afford it, and you pirate a movie, then you'll spend that money on something else, so it enters the economy. If you can't afford it, then you'd never have been able to spend the money in the first place, for it to enter the economy.

[El Barto]

This year's influx of new members seems to have brought in some quality P/R posters.  I've seen some good posts today from people I've not noticed before.  Always a good thing.

[73109]

Yes, but you'll always have me. There is a black lining to every silver cloud.

[Super Dude]

I worked as an intern for Environment Massachusetts today, 'twas fun.  Go green everybody!

[Adami]

Yes, but you'll always have me. There is a black lining to every silver cloud.

You're black?

[73109]

If only I could photo shop...that would have been the greatest post evar!

[Riceball]

I had been lurking for about 12 months before I started posting, and yeah I've noticed a pick up in the debate over that time. It seems like theres less fanaticism now and more "thanks for sharing your perspective" going on; its great!

Still needs to be more economic discussion though

[Nick]

Seeing The Colbert Report on Wednesday, very excited...

Just wish guest wasn't Michael Moore.

[73109]

I love Michael Moore.

[Adami]

Seeing The Colbert Report on Wednesday, very excited...

Just wish guest wasn't Michael Moore.

That will be awesome. Michael Moore? The most absurdly left leaning person talking to Colbert who acts like the most absurdly right learning person ever?

[chknptpie]

Seeing The Colbert Report on Wednesday, very excited...

Just wish guest wasn't Michael Moore.

  I can just imagine how that interview is going to go. I'm jelly

[Nick]

I've just really never liked Michael Moore. His politics are one thing but I've just never liked how he carries himself. Though I have to admire his ankles and how they carry him.

Edit: He's been on at LEAST once before, if you go to Steven's website you can search it and dig it up.

[antigoon]

I understand that it may have gone a bit off course, but why was the 9/11 thread locked? I was enjoying reading it before the shitstorm -- figured a nudge back on topic would have sufficed.

[zxlkho]

I agree. I rarely come to p/r for anything, but I found that thread to be a very good read.

[ClairvoyantCat]

Would a mod/admin consider unlocking it under the agreement that we abandon the whole Native American issue?

I think there is still very interesting discussion to be had on the subject, and it would be a shame if it went to waste just because the thread veered slightly off topic for a few posts. 

[bosk1]

Would a mod/admin consider unlocking it under the agreement that we abandon the whole Native American issue?

I think there is still very interesting discussion to be had on the subject, and it would be a shame if it went to waste just because the thread veered slightly off topic for a few posts. 

Yes.  And also under the condition that people stop baiting Tick.  Just because his beliefs may be unpopular with certain members, or because he tends to be "bull in a china shop" in the way he articulates them sometimes, doesn't give people the right to bait him.

[antigoon]

Thanks bosk!

[emindead]

There's this lesson that is taught in the CIA: blow-back. How can I phrase a tactful question that would incentivate constructive debate on this basis: Did the US foreign policy provoked the 9/11 attacks?

[zxlkho]

There's this lesson that is taught in the CIA: blow-back. How can I phrase a tactful question that would incentivate constructive debate on this basis: Did the US foreign policy provoked the 9/11 attacks?

This will be a very opinionated question since we don't really know all the facts, but I believe yes, absolutely.

[Nick]

Well, I mean, there's only the fact that Bin Laden has expressly said that US foreign policy was his reason for the attacks...

[Adami]

They provoked anger, but to say they provoked 2 planes crashing into buildings................no.

[MetalMike06]

Well, I mean, there's only the fact that Bin Laden has expressly said that US foreign policy was his reason for the attacks...

Quiet, citizen!

Seriously though, this is never mentioned enough.

[emindead]

Is the question well phrased so I can make a thread about it?

[Adami]

Is the question well phrased so I can make a thread about it?

Yea, but it will most likely be most of us saying yes, and like 3 overly conservative posters saying no and then after 2 pages or so of good discussion it will turn into something insane, probably a fight about whether or not Washington had sex with his slaves or something.

[emindead]

Basically, the typical P/R thread. Let's go!

[MetalMike06]

I'd ask, "did US foreign policy unintentionally provoke the 9/11 attacks?"

I think that'd narrow the debate to a more realistic level. 'Cause a lot of people try to attack the idea that we expressly attacked the Arab world and literally tried to directly provoke them, which just isn't the case. Some basically were religiously outraged at our presence in the Muslim world. A lot of people over there don't like it, but there are a few who are crazy enough to carry out terrorist attacks to make a statement about it.

[MasterShakezula]

probably a fight about whether or not Washington had sex with his slaves or something.

Dude, that was Phat Tommy Jefferson. 

Though, Washington did have his moral downfalls.

For example, during the Revolutionary War, he ran up 450,000 1770s dollars worth of personal expenses (read: dining on steak and lobster and such).  That's equivalent to 9.4 million modern dollars.

[Adami]

Well if everyone knows Jefferson banged his slaves, then what's to fight about? That's why I said Washington.

[MetalMike06]

Is the question well phrased so I can make a thread about it?

Yea, but it will most likely be most of us saying yes, and like 3 overly conservative posters saying no and then after 2 pages or so of good discussion it will turn into something insane, probably a fight about whether or not Washington had sex with his slaves or something.

Lol, this is correct though.

[emindead]

I'd ask, "did US foreign policy unintentionally provoke the 9/11 attacks?"

I think that'd narrow the debate to a more realistic level. 'Cause a lot of people try to attack the idea that we expressly attacked the Arab world and literally tried to directly provoke them, which just isn't the case. Some basically were religiously outraged at our presence in the Muslim world. A lot of people over there don't like it, but there are a few who are crazy enough to carry out terrorist attacks to make a statement about it.

Good call.

[Nick]

I have arrived at the Colbert studios!

[chknptpie]

I have arrived at the Colbert studios!

Shout something DT related during filming!

[AcidLameLTE]

Edit: never mind

[Super Dude]

Here P/R, take this:

https://tomnichols.net/blog/

It's a blog written by a professor who taught one of my Harvard classes this summer, one called Future of War. I disagree with him on a lot of things but he's a really bright guy, and where international relations and the difficulties of the future of war are concerned I think he's spot-on.

[black_biff_stadler]

Anyone hear about the Sarah Palin/Glen Rice (former NBA player but in college at that time) hookup of '87?