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Offline Frost134

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The First Verse of Outcry
« on: May 31, 2012, 06:28:05 PM »
Does anyone else feel the lyrics are cheesy and dumb? I honestly cringe every single time I listen to this song when the vocals first enter. Anyone share my opinion?

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Re: The First Verse of Outcry
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2012, 06:29:55 PM »
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Re: The First Verse of Outcry
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2012, 06:30:49 PM »
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Re: The First Verse of Outcry
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2012, 06:31:18 PM »
Absolutely no. I think they are pretty good. Actually what's chessy and dumb about it?
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Re: The First Verse of Outcry
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2012, 06:36:39 PM »
Absolutely no. I think they are pretty good. Actually what's chessy and dumb about it?

Just, everything. Any song that starts talking about "the battle cry" or "the war to end all wars" is just cheesy to me. All that aside, it is a fantastic song. But that first verse just irks me.

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Re: The First Verse of Outcry
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2012, 06:51:59 PM »
Most DT lyrics since 6 Degrees have been stupid and cheesy (yea yea yea, imo).
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Re: The First Verse of Outcry
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2012, 07:03:45 PM »
Does anyone else feel the lyrics are cheesy and dumb? I honestly cringe every single time I listen to this song when the vocals first enter. Anyone share my opinion?
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Re: The First Verse of Outcry
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2012, 07:08:10 PM »
Absolutely no. I think they are pretty good. Actually what's chessy and dumb about it?

Just, everything. Any song that starts talking about "the battle cry" or "the war to end all wars" is just cheesy to me. All that aside, it is a fantastic song. But that first verse just irks me.


If you look as a whole they did pretty good job. Subject is cool, lines are mostly rhymed and conveying the subject. I'm not a fan of DT's lyrics because most of them are not good but this is one really great, IMO.
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Re: The First Verse of Outcry
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2012, 07:42:27 PM »
aren't prog and metal both cheesy separately, so even more so when combined?

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Re: The First Verse of Outcry
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2012, 08:14:32 PM »
The song may have some cliches but I looked at it more as a world event and all of the different things that have been said by various onlookers, news outlets, bloggers, politicians. 

In other words, I think the lyrics are awesome as are all of the lyrics on ADTOE. 

With the exception of a few off of the last album by JP and about half of MP's, I really love DT's lyrics. 

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Re: The First Verse of Outcry
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2012, 08:22:07 PM »
I absolutely abhor the lyrics to this song. If it weren't for the instrumental section, I would never listen to it.

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Re: The First Verse of Outcry
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2012, 08:32:27 PM »
Not at all.
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Re: The First Verse of Outcry
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2012, 08:38:02 PM »
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Re: The First Verse of Outcry
« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2012, 09:49:25 PM »
Most DT lyrics since 6 Degrees have been stupid and cheesy (yea yea yea, imo).
Yeah, that's pretty much true.
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Re: The First Verse of Outcry
« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2012, 10:39:00 PM »
never listened to the lyrics

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Re: The First Verse of Outcry
« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2012, 10:43:25 PM »
Nah, it's not that cheesy. There are some DT songs with subpar lyrics post Six Degrees, but not EVERY SINGLE SONG.  :millahhhh
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Re: The First Verse of Outcry
« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2012, 10:45:36 PM »
Nah, it's not that cheesy. There are some DT songs with subpar lyrics post Six Degrees, but not EVERY SINGLE SONG.  :millahhhh

If the par is lyrics from like Awake or something, then yes every album post 6D is sup par lyrically. In fact I can't think of a single song after 6D who's lyrics are anything more than "okay" at best.
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Re: The First Verse of Outcry
« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2012, 10:58:50 PM »
In the Name of God has pretty good lyrics. I don't like the song much, but the lyrics are better than "okay".
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Re: The First Verse of Outcry
« Reply #21 on: May 31, 2012, 11:01:26 PM »
In the Name of God has pretty good lyrics. I don't like the song much, but the lyrics are better than "okay".

Meh, they read like a highschool report.
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Re: The First Verse of Outcry
« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2012, 12:58:15 AM »
This thread makes me wonder why we have a DT sub-forum.
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Re: The First Verse of Outcry
« Reply #23 on: June 01, 2012, 04:53:01 AM »
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Re: The First Verse of Outcry
« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2012, 07:24:33 AM »
I'll join the chorus of "no".  "War to end all wars" may seem hyperbolic, but to those actually living those events in the Middle East I could see it being an appropriate sentiment.



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Re: The First Verse of Outcry
« Reply #27 on: June 01, 2012, 09:25:17 AM »
Don't make me do it.
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Re: The First Verse of Outcry
« Reply #28 on: June 01, 2012, 09:29:58 AM »
I warned you, man.

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Re: The First Verse of Outcry
« Reply #29 on: June 01, 2012, 10:48:06 AM »
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No not at all!
I just don't understand what they were trying to achieve with any part of the song, either individually or as a whole. You know what? It's the Platypus of Dream Theater songs. That bill doesn't go with that tail, or that strange little furry body, or those webbed feet, and oh god why does it have venomous spurs!? And then you find out it lays eggs too. The difference is that the Platypus is somehow functional despite being a crazy mishmash or leftover animal pieces

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Re: The First Verse of Outcry
« Reply #30 on: June 01, 2012, 11:15:43 AM »
Not at all,

"somewhere overhead distant thunders roar" - this isn't cheesy, cliche but that doesn't matter, it represents how unexpected and unknowing bombs and all that jazz will explode, creating thunder.
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Re: The First Verse of Outcry
« Reply #31 on: June 01, 2012, 11:29:59 AM »
for goodness sake guy's i think you might be over analizing the songs a wee bit 5 of the best musicians on the planet still  together and making wonderful music and you are moaning and nit picking about how good the lyrics are? on the whole i think they do quite a good job especially after such a long career!! :tdwn
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Re: The First Verse of Outcry
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Re: The First Verse of Outcry
« Reply #33 on: June 01, 2012, 01:14:49 PM »
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Re: The First Verse of Outcry
« Reply #34 on: June 01, 2012, 01:41:32 PM »
I don't think Outcry's lyrics are good at all, and not just the first verse either.  It's one of the weaker songs on the album, but I still enjoy listening to it.

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