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Re: My Spanish Professor just really screwed up...
« Reply #105 on: May 03, 2012, 10:30:56 PM »
Yo deberķa ser tu maestro de espańol.

Shouldn't you use the presente tense instead of the imperfecto?

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Re: My Spanish Professor just really screwed up...
« Reply #106 on: May 03, 2012, 10:32:19 PM »
Says who, your pen?  :P
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Re: My Spanish Professor just really screwed up...
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Re: My Spanish Professor just really screwed up...
« Reply #108 on: May 03, 2012, 10:37:23 PM »
I haven't cheated my entire way through Spanish  :lol I have put plenty of time into the course and do know a good deal.

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Re: My Spanish Professor just really screwed up...
« Reply #109 on: May 03, 2012, 10:37:48 PM »
Kev... since you basically quoted my post, I can tell you with 100% certainty, that I would tell the teacher.  Doing the right thing isn't always popular, and the popular thing isn't always right.  Seriously, integrity is a non-starter for me... you have it, or you don't.  There's no "yeah, I act with integrity most of the time ... unless it's in my best interest not to". :lol  Personally, I do the right thing... ALWAYS.  Sometime's it's hard to figure out what "the right thing" is, but once you have it figured out, there's no questioning your next move.

I was not singling you or anyone else here out when I said that.  I know you know that, but just wanted to say it. :)

Didn't think you were 'calling me out' or anything, and wasn't intending to either if I did.  I just wanted to respond to your post asking how many people really would act that way.  You're right, some people only talk a good game.  Just had to say that I'm not one of them.  I really do mean everything that I posted.

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Re: My Spanish Professor just really screwed up...
« Reply #110 on: May 03, 2012, 11:13:09 PM »

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Re: My Spanish Professor just really screwed up...
« Reply #111 on: May 03, 2012, 11:27:29 PM »
Maybe people are just making poor major choices, but I can tell you that I graduated with less than a 3.0 - largely dinged up by non-chemistry classes, and still got into a top 30 grad school in my field.  I followed that up with an extended and less than successful graduate research career.  The school and/or my advisor would have been well within their rights in handing me a masters degree several years ago and telling me to get lost, and I've seen it happen to other people as well.   But my advisor and people in charge of the department stuck by me because I had shown them on several occasions that I did the right thing even though it wasn't in my best interest to do so.  Other grad students have better grades and more publications than me, but if my preliminary feedback from job hunt is any indication I'm going to be fine because I have about six people I can count on to fight tooth and nail for me.

I realize that your Spanish professor wasn't going to write you a recommendation, but had you been forthright in your information that story could have easily been relayed to you main advisor or whoever you were going to have be your home run hitter.  In the absence of other things, yes, things like GPA are used to find 10 candidates out of 200 because you can't realistically interview all 200.  But networking is a very powerful tool, and having someone who is willing to fight tooth and nail for you is one of the best things you can have, particularly when a google search of your name is going to bring up some incredibly unflattering stuff.

Not passing judgement, just some food for thought.

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Re: My Spanish Professor just really screwed up...
« Reply #112 on: May 03, 2012, 11:34:38 PM »
Ugh, this discussion of the jobs market is incredibly depressing.
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Re: My Spanish Professor just really screwed up...
« Reply #113 on: May 03, 2012, 11:40:26 PM »
While it would be the right thing to tell her about the mistake, personally I know that I probably wouldn't. I'm not the type of person who would cheat on a test, but if the test would just fall down in my lap so I could look at it in advance, I would most likely do it.

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Re: My Spanish Professor just really screwed up...
« Reply #114 on: May 04, 2012, 12:37:16 AM »
Ugh, this discussion of the jobs market is incredibly depressing.

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Re: My Spanish Professor just really screwed up...
« Reply #115 on: May 04, 2012, 02:57:55 AM »
Yeah, the job market is terrible. I know it's only a summer internship, but I was still so lucky to get it. It just happened by chance.

Our class went to visit an insurance company for a day. They split up the tour into the different business majors so you could listen to professionals who worked in your specific area. Out of the 50 or so students, I ended up being the only IT major there. So I got to talk a bunch of people one on one. Afterwards, one guy said i should apply for a summer internship position. he even got my application in a couple days after the deadline. After them looking at my resume, doing a phone interview, and an in person interview, I managed to snag it. It's paid pretty well for a first internship too.

The moral of the story is the same as what a lot of our business professors say about finding jobs. It's more about people you know, experience, and how likable you are rather then your grades when it comes to getting hired.

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Re: My Spanish Professor just really screwed up...
« Reply #116 on: May 04, 2012, 03:51:57 AM »
I would tell her personally, but I'm pretty against cheating. It annoys me when other people do it cos it seems unfair to everyone else who has put in genuine effort and worked hard, and I just wouldn't do it myself. The only time I've ever thought that cheating would benefit me was when I needed to get 5 As at higher to get in to university and I wasn't sure if I'd manage it in English cos I'd had a few Bs etc. But I figured if I can't just put my head down and work on my weaker points then I probably wouldn't have what it takes to get through med school anyway, so I just worked my ass off for it and ended up getting a band 1, and I'm a lot prouder of that than I would be if I had cheated. I guess everyone has different outlooks on this sort of thing though.

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Re: My Spanish Professor just really screwed up...
« Reply #117 on: May 04, 2012, 03:59:46 AM »
Personally I think you made a big mistake in not telling her. Hope it doesnt backfire on you.
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Re: My Spanish Professor just really screwed up...
« Reply #118 on: May 04, 2012, 04:04:11 AM »
Ugh, this discussion of the jobs market is incredibly depressing.
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Re: My Spanish Professor just really screwed up...
« Reply #119 on: May 04, 2012, 04:08:04 AM »
Ugh, this discussion of the jobs market is incredibly depressing.
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Re: My Spanish Professor just really screwed up...
« Reply #120 on: May 04, 2012, 04:33:34 AM »
I would either tell her or just not look at the test at all (and not tell her). The second way is less honest with her and if she does discover it you can still get caught but at least you are being honest with yourself by not giving yourself an advantage and it makes it a lot easier on the teacher.

Also I've never cheated on a test... once in highschool a mate stole a physics test in the morning before we had the test and I saw a couple of answers but we got in massive trouble for it (I was fine cause I didn't really intend to see the test).

Didn't realise the jobs market was so bad in America. In my field I'm pretty much guarenteed a pretty high paying job straight out of uni no matter on marks. I still get all HD's and stuff just so I can feel good about myself :p

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Re: My Spanish Professor just really screwed up...
« Reply #121 on: May 04, 2012, 05:03:05 AM »
Chino - I genuinely don't care if you cheat. If you can't be bothered to do the test, that's your prerogative. It's not what I'd do myself, but they make you jump through some pretty stupid hoops and it sounds like you've spent enough time jumping that using a get out of jail free card on this one test isn't a slippery slope, isn't a big deal, and probably won't doom you to a life of crime.

You know more than us, and you can weigh up the risks yourself. I've always felt the risk of getting caught doesn't justify the gain of cheating, personally, so I used to just half-ass things when I couldn't be bothered. Which was fairly often, with erratic results, but then again GPAs don't make a spot of difference like they do over there. Which is good. I'd hate the American system.

Still! High risk, high reward. I've got no responsibility to you, and I don't think it's my place to talk you out of it. I know that if I were one of your classmates and I'd been studying for weeks (as if!) I'd want to crucify you. But it isn't a holy template of things to come lest ye not repent. It's just a test. And, by the sounds of things, one that you wouldn't remember taking five years down the line if you didn't receive that email. Go nuts.

If it's anything like my language tests in secondary school, knowing the questions in advance can only help so much anyway. You still need to be able to write fluent prose. You can plan the essay in your head, learn a few salient words ahead of time, sure - but if you're shit at Spanish, you're shit at Spanish. And, by the looks of things, you're probably not.

But yeah, who am I to tell you not to live by the sword? You know you've got a chance of getting caught, and have a fair idea of the odds going in - it's your own mistake to make. Or battle to win, as the case may be. Tell us how it goes!

I would either tell her or just not look at the test at all (and not tell her). The second way is less honest with her and if she does discover it you can still get caught but at least you are being honest with yourself by not giving yourself an advantage and it makes it a lot easier on the teacher.

Also I've never cheated on a test... once in highschool a mate stole a physics test in the morning before we had the test and I saw a couple of answers but we got in massive trouble for it (I was fine cause I didn't really intend to see the test).

Didn't realise the jobs market was so bad in America. In my field I'm pretty much guarenteed a pretty high paying job straight out of uni no matter on marks. I still get all HD's and stuff just so I can feel good about myself :p
I was pretty much guaranteed a decent job straight out of uni when I joined uni. By the time I graduated, not so much.

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Re: My Spanish Professor just really screwed up...
« Reply #122 on: May 04, 2012, 05:42:41 AM »
Great post Rob.
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Re: My Spanish Professor just really screwed up...
« Reply #123 on: May 04, 2012, 06:43:23 AM »
Personally I think you made a big mistake in not telling her. Hope it doesnt backfire on you.
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Re: My Spanish Professor just really screwed up...
« Reply #124 on: May 04, 2012, 07:41:57 AM »
While it would be the right thing to tell her about the mistake, personally I know that I probably wouldn't. I'm not the type of person who would cheat on a test, but if the test would just fall down in my lap so I could look at it in advance, I would most likely do it.

This is pretty much where I am.  Technically it's cheating to look at the exam ahead of time, but he didn't go out of his way to find it; she actually sent the damned thing to him.  I think that definitely changes things, though I can't say how much.  I'm sure some would say that it doesn't change things at all (but they're wrong).

I consider myself an honest guy, but I know I would probably at least take a peek at it.
Then I'd feel bad and delete it.
Then I'd wrestle with telling the prof, and chicken out in the end because I'd have to admit I looked at the exam.
Then I'd feel stupid about the whole thing, because if I'm gonna feel guilty and bad, I might as well have taken a better look at it.
Then I'd pass the exam anyway, probably do really well because I'm awesome that way, but wonder for the rest of my life how much difference it made knowing those two or three questions ahead of time.

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Re: My Spanish Professor just really screwed up...
« Reply #125 on: May 04, 2012, 08:52:52 AM »
This thread makes me thankful to have a family store where I at least have something to fall back on if my plans don't work out.

Also, Chino, it's your choice whether or not to tell her and I won't give you a moral speech or anything as it's you that has to live with it. And I also echo Kev's statement earlier. It's easier to say that you would tell the teacher, but another thing to actually do it
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