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« Reply #665 on: June 16, 2018, 12:32:54 PM »
Looking a bit in the future.... I've heard an interview snippet with Tobias Forge talking about having for each album a Papa was becoming predictable, hence the introduction of the Cardinal to change things up, which they plan to keep around for 4-5 years as a character.

He hinted that there could be a change for him in the future, and that he has anyway the different eyes of the previous Papas.... and we all know in real life what's the next step for a cardinal, if he ever gets "promoted". I was thinkin that it would be cool if Cardinal Copia becomes a Papa (maybe a promotion after this tour cycle?), and they stage their own habemus papam to announce the new Pope, qui sibi nomen imposuit Emeritus IV most likely   :D
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« Reply #666 on: June 16, 2018, 01:14:28 PM »
Okay I take back what I said about the instrumentals before. Miasma kicks ass.

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« Reply #667 on: June 17, 2018, 09:56:42 AM »
Interesting train of though, MirrorMask. I'm very intrigued by what may follow and I'm trying to be very open-minded and not get attached to Cardinal Copia - after all, he's just a phase.

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« Reply #668 on: June 17, 2018, 07:28:14 PM »
Okay I take back what I said about the instrumentals before. Miasma kicks ass.

The sax solo in that song is absolutely perfect.  The song is just rocking out and then the sax comes in and makes it so much better.

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« Reply #669 on: June 18, 2018, 06:32:26 PM »
Okay I take back what I said about the instrumentals before. Miasma kicks ass.

The sax solo in that song is absolutely perfect.  The song is just rocking out and then the sax comes in and makes it so much better.

Now see, on rare exceptions, I generally do not like brass in my rock music. So when I heard there was an instrumental (which I am usually not fond of either) with a sax solo, I was all...ughhhh. But damn if it doesn't work in Miasma. And somehow that's what Ghost does. They make everything they set out to do work.
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« Reply #670 on: June 18, 2018, 08:28:58 PM »
Okay I take back what I said about the instrumentals before. Miasma kicks ass.

The sax solo in that song is absolutely perfect.  The song is just rocking out and then the sax comes in and makes it so much better.

Now see, on rare exceptions, I generally do not like brass in my rock music. So when I heard there was an instrumental (which I am usually not fond of either) with a sax solo, I was all...ughhhh. But damn if it doesn't work in Miasma. And somehow that's what Ghost does. They make everything they set out to do work.

I love it, and I love how they bring out the sax in the live show as well.   :metal

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Re: The Official Ghost Thread v. Popestar tour info on page 11
« Reply #671 on: July 11, 2018, 10:55:14 AM »
To continue talking about Miasma, there's one part that I can't stop rewinding back to after his happens. It's after the drum roll at the 2:58 mark and kicks into the chugging riff and that synth playing over it. I can't stop listening to it. The way I tried describing it to my dad is that it felt ethereal. It's dark yet beautiful and if that synth sound isn't there, the part just isn't as good.


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« Reply #672 on: September 06, 2018, 12:12:05 PM »
A few weeks in and i still think this is their best yet. Fantastic work. Life eternal is a favourite - both dark and moving. The writing and direction of the album is so perfect for me.

The carpenter brut Dance Macabre is fab, too, in case you've not heard it. Shows that Tobias' voice is great in another setting and that synthwave really benefits from great vocal songs, afaic.

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Re: The Official Ghost Thread v. Popestar tour info on page 11
« Reply #673 on: September 06, 2018, 12:26:57 PM »
This is really cool of Ghost to do for the guy who died during their concert earlier in the year:

http://www.metalinjection.net/tour-dates/ghost-to-return-to-milwaukee-for-show-to-honor-deceased-fan

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Re: The Official Ghost Thread v. Popestar tour info on page 11
« Reply #674 on: September 09, 2018, 09:13:59 PM »
The trial for the lawsuit against Tobias by the former Ghouls is well underway in Sweden.

You can read the rough transcripts of the proceedings over on the lawsuit reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Ghost_Lawsuit/

There's been some interesting things coming out of it thus far through the first three days (there's three more).

One of the more interesting things is that Martin Persner (the Ghoul that went on to revive Magna Carta Cartel and did a lot of PR for the band and was the guy who designed the costumes and such) was fired from the band. Apparently Tobias and everyone else except Mauro was having issues with him and they voted to fire him. Martin takes the stand on Monday or maybe Tuesday, so it will be interesting to see how that goes.

The other takeaway is that Tobias was definitely not prepared for questioning. He kinda shoots himself in the foot a few times such as not knowing what a companionship agreement was despite sending an email to the band members telling them to sign a companionship agreement.

Another tidbit. The intro to Cirice was not played the way it was originally written. Henrik, who played bass on Meliora, was fiddling around on the acoustic guitar and played the part a different way. Klas Ahlund, the producer, liked it and told him that was the correct way that part should be played. Apparently, Tobias was pissed off (furious, as the testimony says).

Very interesting transcripts though.

Tobias is gonna have a very short night though. They had a show Sunday night in London at Royal Albert Hall and he has to be in court Monday morning for cross examination
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8r8DsIONeU

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Another thing that maybe I misread, but thought was kinda funny. Tobias requested to go through a different door of the court room so he didn't have to run into the Ghouls suing him, since during breaks you can freely roam the halls of the courthouse. I can understand not wanting to run into them, but I don't think they're gonna want to talk to him either
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« Reply #675 on: September 10, 2018, 01:03:32 AM »
Wow very interesting. Thanks for the insight.
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« Reply #676 on: September 10, 2018, 08:40:54 AM »
I'd always figured it was just a massive communications clusterfuck instead of malign intent on anyone's part, and this all seems to underscore that.  I think this could be taught in future Swedish contract law classes as "what not to do".  Seriously, having them sign contracts on merch and management when they were just "employees" with no say in anything???  That's not how this works, that's not how any of this works.  And the commingling of funds?  Oy.

If I read TF's testimony right, at times Sissi (his lawyer) held herself out as TF's atty, at other times as the band's atty...that is some bad juju.  In the US, that could carry some serious professional consequences.  Not sure about Sweden.

Also, it seems like MP saw that the ship was headed for an iceberg from early on and kept pushing for clarity, saying how badly things would turn out if there were not clear agreements in place.

EDIT: and speaking of MP, new MCC single next week!
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Re: The Official Ghost Thread v. Popestar tour info on page 11
« Reply #677 on: September 12, 2018, 04:24:17 PM »
Looking forward to that MCC single and eventual album. Martin's a great musician, voice, and personality. I look forward to seeing what they do. His testimony had a bit that made me laugh:
"Universal could pay to put us in one of the top five most expensive recording studios in the US, yet they couldn't afford to give us a wheat roll or Capri Sun?"

He had another one in an email where he was talking about merchandise and how there was a fine line between stepping on people's toes and farting in their mouths (in regards to having stupid merchandise and tasteful merchandise.)

Anyways, I agree. It just seems like a giant clusterfuck and miscommunication. Maybe Tobias knew all of this and is playing dumb, or maybe he genuinely didn't know what was going on. All they had to do was communicate though, and they didn't. That Sissi (TF's lawyer) was playing the Ghoul's. Hopefully he doesn't do business with her anymore.

The Ghouls definitely came out looking better, except Mauro, who just seemed like he was along for the ride.
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« Reply #678 on: October 17, 2018, 05:09:46 AM »
The verdict came today, and apparently Tobias won. The former band members have to pay him legal costs of 1.3 million Swedish kronor (roughly $146 000).

Can't find a link in English at the moment, just saw it on a Swedish news site.

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« Reply #679 on: October 17, 2018, 05:23:21 AM »
That makes me very happy for some reason.  :biggrin:

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« Reply #681 on: October 17, 2018, 07:14:45 AM »
I guess it makes sense but feel bad the ghouls have to pay his legal fees, seems like they just assumed something that wasn't there.

However, this kind of caught me in the article:

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Also, I'm a big fan of rock, of rock history, and I've read every classic rock biography of every band I'm a fan of," he said. "You know what? The same shit takes place in every single one.

Forge added: "A friend of mine, a very successful songwriter, said to me, 'You're not really in the game until you've been sued, so welcome in!' and I think he's got a point

Probably why people say the music business is dirty.  Just makes me wonder if Tobias really knew he was dragging those guys around misleading them or they legit just didn't understand their situation in the band.

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« Reply #682 on: October 17, 2018, 11:50:57 AM »
I'd like to see the decision for the dismissal.

In any case, I was soundly on the side of the ghouls. They were all naive as fuck, but that doesn't mean I think they should get nothing (much less a judgement against them for the legal fees).
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« Reply #683 on: October 27, 2018, 09:08:13 PM »
New tour, new setlist. Not too many changes, but some songs were taken out--Prime Mover, Deus In Abesntia, and Stand By Him were taken out, while Majesty, Satan Prayer, Witch Image, Life Eternal, and Idolatrine draw into the setlist. So, the set is two songs longer. I am pumped to see them again in a few days

Ashes
Rats
Absolution
Idolatrine (Live Debut)
Ritual
Con Clavi Con Dio
Per Aspera ad Inferi
Devil Church
Cirice
Miasma
Jigolo Har Megiddo (Acoustic)
Pro Memoria
Witch Image (Live Debut)
Life Eternal (Live Debut)

Spirit
From the Pinnacle to the Pit
Majesty
Satan Prayer
Faith
Year Zero
Spöksonat
He Is
Mummy Dust
If You Have Ghosts
Dance Macabre
Square Hammer

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Monstrance Clock
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« Reply #684 on: October 27, 2018, 09:26:24 PM »
They never play Helvetesfonster?  Too bad, as I love that one.  The first couple albums have some songs I like, but whenever I am in the mood for Ghost, I pretty much go for the last two albums; I like both of those a lot.

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« Reply #685 on: October 27, 2018, 09:29:37 PM »
I seriously cannot get into Ghost's studio stuff, but I do like the live album they released earlier this year.
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« Reply #686 on: October 28, 2018, 03:22:04 AM »
About time Witch Image and Life Eternal got played live!

Too bad they won't tour solo in my town, I'll have to see Metallica to see them. Uh well. :D
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« Reply #687 on: October 28, 2018, 03:50:18 PM »
New tour, new setlist. Not too many changes, but some songs were taken out--Prime Mover, Deus In Abesntia, and Stand By Him were taken out, while Majesty, Satan Prayer, Witch Image, Life Eternal, and Idolatrine draw into the setlist. So, the set is two songs longer. I am pumped to see them again in a few days

Ashes
Rats
Absolution
Idolatrine (Live Debut)
Ritual
Con Clavi Con Dio
Per Aspera ad Inferi
Devil Church
Cirice
Miasma
Jigolo Har Megiddo (Acoustic)
Pro Memoria
Witch Image (Live Debut)
Life Eternal (Live Debut)

Spirit
From the Pinnacle to the Pit
Majesty
Satan Prayer
Faith
Year Zero
Spöksonat
He Is
Mummy Dust
If You Have Ghosts
Dance Macabre
Square Hammer

Encore:
Monstrance Clock

Holy shit, they actually removed some of my least favorite songs and replaced them with some of my favorite songs!

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« Reply #688 on: October 28, 2018, 03:52:20 PM »
About time Witch Image and Life Eternal got played live!

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Life Eternal is so good, glad these got added.  Makes me want to go to that Brooklyn concert even more now.

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« Reply #689 on: November 08, 2018, 01:13:36 PM »
First off, I am not an instrumental guy. Vocal melodies play a big part in my enjoyment of music, regardless of genre. Second, I generally dislike brass in my rock/metal. That being said, Miasma has become my favorite rock instrumental. I don't think I even had a favorite rock instrumental before hearing this.
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« Reply #690 on: November 08, 2018, 07:28:08 PM »
First off, I am not an instrumental guy. Vocal melodies play a big part in my enjoyment of music, regardless of genre. Second, I generally dislike brass in my rock/metal. That being said, Miasma has become my favorite rock instrumental. I don't think I even had a favorite rock instrumental before hearing this.

I absolutely love the sax solo, so powerfull when you think it can't get any better at that moment in the song.  Maybe it's just because you don't have the sax in metal anymore or maybe because that's an instrument I actually played  :lol  that I love it so much

Have you seen the music video for Dance Macabre? The intro with Miasma in the background from inside the house party is so cool for the intro, and you hear the sax at the right moment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gr63DiEUxw

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« Reply #691 on: November 11, 2018, 10:55:34 AM »
Late to yet another party! Just got into these guys, saw them in Chicago a couple weeks ago and went in virtually blind, having only heard Cirice and Dance Macabre. Was completely floored! I picked up Infestissumam and Prequelle and loving both albums, waiting on the other 2 now. New fan here!

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« Reply #692 on: December 15, 2018, 01:29:52 PM »
Heading to Brooklyn soon for the final show of the NA leg (although looks like they may be back in 2019).  Its an arena show and it didn't sell the greatest.  Looks like they sold out the floor but didn't even offer tickets for the upper ring of the arena.  I snagged a suite seat for cheaper than face of any ticket so I'm interested in how the suites look in Barclays Center.  Saw them open for Iron Maiden a few times, but looking forward to the new songs and the full show  :metal

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« Reply #693 on: December 15, 2018, 01:36:34 PM »
Heading to Brooklyn soon for the final show of the NA leg (although looks like they may be back in 2019).  Its an arena show and it didn't sell the greatest.  Looks like they sold out the floor but didn't even offer tickets for the upper ring of the arena.  I snagged a suite seat for cheaper than face of any ticket so I'm interested in how the suites look in Barclays Center.  Saw them open for Iron Maiden a few times, but looking forward to the new songs and the full show  :metal


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« Reply #694 on: December 15, 2018, 04:46:03 PM »
Heading to Brooklyn soon for the final show of the NA leg (although looks like they may be back in 2019).
What makes you say that? They've got a festival date in Chicago in May, but they seem booked up and still haven't really hit South America. I really hope they do though. He said in a recent interview that he will probably record the next album in 2020 and that he has stuff written.

Also, the appeal from the former Ghouls is pretty interesting. They claim there was a conflict of interest in that both the judge and Tobias are part of the Freemasons of Sweden and since they belong to the same "secret" society, they were in it together. Pretty interesting stuff
https://consequenceofsound.net/2018/11/former-ghost-members-seek-new-trial/
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« Reply #695 on: December 15, 2018, 04:52:27 PM »
Heading to Brooklyn soon for the final show of the NA leg (although looks like they may be back in 2019).
What makes you say that? They've got a festival date in Chicago in May

That's why.  And I said may, because it was only one date, but a festival date.  Bands often play many of these festivals so my assumption is I wouldn't be surprised to see more NA dates since they are coming back for sure for one concert.  Honestly was surprised to see another US date announced since they did two full tours already and then supporting Metallica in Europe. 

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« Reply #696 on: December 15, 2018, 05:52:04 PM »
I really hope so, at least a small run. They did that three years ago where they did 5 shows in the Midwest before ending at Lolapalooza in Chicago, so I really hope so.

I found it weird that they did so many US shows to start, I mean, they've been here all year and only a handful in Europe. But he's said before that they aren't as big over in Europe as people think. Obviously with one Grammy win and two nominations this year and an album debuting at #3 here in America, it makes sense to keep playing our markets to eventually get to arenas everywhere here. (Although, I'll always have a soft spot and preference for them in theaters, hell, I've seen them in a bar)
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