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« Reply #140 on: January 13, 2020, 11:45:39 AM »
Having heard a lot of comments about Coupling along the lines of what Ben wrote, I started watching it.  I think I got through the first to episodes.

My first impression was that the production value was terrible.  It looked like something produced by a college student.

In terms of writing/dialog and acting, it felt like someone said, "hey, let's make a Friends-like porno movie, but without any nudity or actual sex."  The jokes were juvenile (basically a one-trick pony), and the acting was mostly horrible.  I like Gina Bellman from her time on leverage, but she was downright awful.  The best thing about it was Susan, and that's only because she was hot.

Absolutely NOTHING about those two episodes was done "better" than anything Friends did.  Friends took a few episodes to find its groove, so I'll keep watching, but unless things improve significantly, I can't myself making it past four or five episodes.

The first episodes are more of an introduction of characters. Sex, Death, and Nudity is the first one that made me fall out of my chair. (The giggle loop is still a running gag in my house to this day).

But it’s Steven Moffatt’s writing in seasons 2&3 especially that make it the greatest and funniest show in history to me. In fact it has passed MASH as my all time favorite show.

Ok, so I've now watched through season 2, episode 4 ("The Melty Man Cometh").  I'd not have gotten this far had the show not improved, but most of my initial assessments still hold.

The production value has improved only a little, and it still feels like it was written by some sex-obsessed college kid.  I keep waiting for an episode that doesn't revolve primarily around a sexual theme, and it hasn't happened yet.  The show and the characters are extremely one-dimensional and, therefore, have no real appeal as people (except as sex objects).  And, unfortunately, even when the show does hit on something funny, it drives it into the ground, and I've found myself more than once thinking, "ok, I get it; move on."  No subtlety whatsoever.

I did not find the "Sex, Death and Nudity" episode particularly funny (although it did have a couple moments that made me laugh).  The "giggle loop" was particularly unfunny in that it simply slapped a silly name on something virtually everyone is familiar with.

"The Girl with Two Breasts," however, was, on the whole, quite funny.  The setup with the girl speaking Hebrew, followed by the depiction of the conversation from the opposite point of view.

Also, the Coupling theme song SUCKS.

So, I'm still at a bit of a loss about the purpose of you popping into this thread and writing, "The Brits did it better with Coupling."  You didn't answer Adami's question, "Did what?"  It certainly seems to be the case that the two shows didn't do any or many of the same things and really are nothing more than sitcoms with 3M/3F ensemble casts.  Other than that, the two shows don't seem to have anything in common.
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« Reply #142 on: February 24, 2020, 09:41:18 AM »
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/friends-reunion-special-officially-a-go-at-hbo-max-1280432

"Unscripted reunion special."  Not sure what to make of that.  I would have hoped for an hour or two hour special where the cast gathers for something (since Ron Leibman died a couple months ago, gathering for Rachel's father's funeral would have made sense).

Since they took Friends off Netflix, I went ahead and bought the complete series on DVD, so I've been discovering all of the added scenes on the discs, and my 16yo daughter has been binging along with me.
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« Reply #143 on: February 24, 2020, 09:48:28 AM »
I assume it's them on stage delivering (unscripted) talking points and then answering agreed upon questions by a host, then MAYBE heavily vetted questions from the audience.

Not super pumped if that's what it is.
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« Reply #144 on: February 24, 2020, 10:01:19 AM »
I assume it's them on stage delivering (unscripted) talking points and then answering agreed upon questions by a host, then MAYBE heavily vetted questions from the audience.

Not super pumped if that's what it is.

My thinking and feelings as well (which isn't to say I won't grab some sort of preview deal and subscribe and watch).  The only thing noticeably missing from the DVDs is cast commentary.  I'd love to hear Courteney Cox comment on the couple episodes where she did scenes in lingerie or Matt Leblanc and Lisa Kudrow comment on The One Where Joey Speaks French (or about 100 other episodes/scenes).
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« Reply #145 on: November 28, 2020, 08:48:07 PM »
Anyone else manage to watch all of the Thanksgiving episodes this week?  I managed to DVR them all off TNT and get through them all at some point this week.  A friend did the same thing and sent me her ranking of the nine Thanksgiving episodes. :lol

We both agreed that the Brad Pitt episode and the One Where Ross Got High (when Rachel makes the trifle wrong) are 1a and 1b.  All are really good. 

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« Reply #146 on: November 30, 2020, 09:42:37 AM »
Anyone else manage to watch all of the Thanksgiving episodes this week?  I managed to DVR them all off TNT and get through them all at some point this week.  A friend did the same thing and sent me her ranking of the nine Thanksgiving episodes. :lol

We both agreed that the Brad Pitt episode and the One Where Ross Got High (when Rachel makes the trifle wrong) are 1a and 1b.  All are really good.

I can't remember which day it was, but I caught a few of them.  My wife was sick in bed all day on Thursday, so our Thanksgiving got postponed to Friday.

Without giving it too much thought, I would probably rank the Thanksgiving episodes thusly:

1T.  TO with All the Thanksgivings (s5)
1T.  TO Where Ross Got High (s6) (the trifle subplot and Judy's shotgun response to all the information she got were two of the series' most epic moments)
3.  TO Where Underdog Gets Away (s1)
4.  TO with the Football (s3)
5.  TO with the Late Thanksgiving (s10)
6.  TO with the Rumor (s8) (this is the Brad Pitt episode)
7.  TO with Chandler in a Box (s4) (I was NOT a fan of the Kathy story arc)
8.  TO Where Chandler Doesn't Like Dogs (s7) (another TG episode tarnished by a bad boy/girlfriend story arc; this time it's Tag; the 50 states game subplot was, however, hilarious)
9.  TO with Rachel's Other Sister (s9) (Christina Applegate as Amy Green was brilliant, but this episode just didn't work)
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Re: The Friends Appreciation Thread
« Reply #147 on: November 30, 2020, 04:47:46 PM »
"It tastes like feet!"

One of my favorite lines from the entire series.
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« Reply #148 on: November 30, 2020, 05:36:39 PM »
"It tastes like feet!"

One of my favorite lines from the entire series.

Absolutely!  The outtakes from that scene make it even better!
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« Reply #149 on: November 30, 2020, 06:05:28 PM »


Without giving it too much thought, I would probably rank the Thanksgiving episodes thusly:

1T.  TO with All the Thanksgivings (s5)
1T.  TO Where Ross Got High (s6) (the trifle subplot and Judy's shotgun response to all the information she got were two of the series' most epic moments)
3.  TO Where Underdog Gets Away (s1)
4.  TO with the Football (s3)
5.  TO with the Late Thanksgiving (s10)
6.  TO with the Rumor (s8) (this is the Brad Pitt episode)
7.  TO with Chandler in a Box (s4) (I was NOT a fan of the Kathy story arc)
8.  TO Where Chandler Doesn't Like Dogs (s7) (another TG episode tarnished by a bad boy/girlfriend story arc; this time it's Tag; the 50 states game subplot was, however, hilarious)
9.  TO with Rachel's Other Sister (s9) (Christina Applegate as Amy Green was brilliant, but this episode just didn't work)

Nice!

I think the S7 one was easily the least best.  Season 7 was by far the weakest season anyway, so it makes sense that it had the least best Turkey Day episode.

I liked the one with Amy a lot, although it's hard to put that over some of these others.

The football one from S3 is just a lot of fun.

The original from 1 was great, and had one of the nicest moments of the first season when, after all of their plans went to shit, they realized how nice it was for them all to be together.

Sidebar: I was not a fan of Kathy arc either, even though 4 is my favorite season.  After all of Chandler's pining and what he and Joey went through to renew their friendship, they broke them up way too quickly.  And I thought it was odd that we never saw Kathy and Joey interact in the entire time Chandler and Kathy dated, outside of their brief moment at the door in the Thanksgiving episode when Chandler was in the box.  Were we supposed to believe that she was always coming over now to sleep with Chandler and never saw Joey?

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« Reply #150 on: November 30, 2020, 06:27:05 PM »
Sidebar: I was not a fan of Kathy arc either, even though 4 is my favorite season.  After all of Chandler's pining and what he and Joey went through to renew their friendship, they broke them up way too quickly.  And I thought it was odd that we never saw Kathy and Joey interact in the entire time Chandler and Kathy dated, outside of their brief moment at the door in the Thanksgiving episode when Chandler was in the box.  Were we supposed to believe that she was always coming over now to sleep with Chandler and never saw Joey?

Season 4 was the season of bad hair.  Paget Brewster's hair was AWFUL, and I had a very hard time buying that both Chandler and Joey would be taken with her.  Monica's hair in season 4 was also terrible.

I've never given any thought to which season was my favorite, but 4 has some great moments.  The carry-over of the last episode of season 3 and the first episode of 4 (at the beach house) was great.  I was glad they quickly moved past the botched attempt for R&R to get back together.  Chandler's "relationship" with Rachel's boss was good.  "I want to quit the gym!"  I'm not a big Phoebe fan, but I liked how they worked Lisa Kudrow's pregnancy into the show.  TO with the Embryos might be the show's all-time best episode.  "HE'S A TRANSPONSTER!!!"  Free porn!

The worst part about season 4 is the Emily story arc (although there were many good moments within that arc).  On the other hand, the writers used the existence of that ill-advised relationship to great effect in subsequent seasons.
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« Reply #151 on: November 30, 2020, 08:01:03 PM »


Season 4 was the season of bad hair.  Paget Brewster's hair was AWFUL, and I had a very hard time buying that both Chandler and Joey would be taken with her.  Monica's hair in season 4 was also terrible.

I've never given any thought to which season was my favorite, but 4 has some great moments.  The carry-over of the last episode of season 3 and the first episode of 4 (at the beach house) was great.  I was glad they quickly moved past the botched attempt for R&R to get back together.  Chandler's "relationship" with Rachel's boss was good.  "I want to quit the gym!"  I'm not a big Phoebe fan, but I liked how they worked Lisa Kudrow's pregnancy into the show.  TO with the Embryos might be the show's all-time best episode.  "HE'S A TRANSPONSTER!!!"  Free porn!

The worst part about season 4 is the Emily story arc (although there were many good moments within that arc).  On the other hand, the writers used the existence of that ill-advised relationship to great effect in subsequent seasons.

Hmmm, I think Courteney Cox looked great with shorter hair like she had in S4.  Different strokes.

The One with the Cuffs (Chandler and Rachel's boss fooling around) is a top 5 Friends episode, IMO.  Ever notice how the episodes where Chandler and Rachel had a storyline to themselves where none of the other four were really involved were always great?  Too bad there weren't more of those.

The one where Joey teaches Treeger, the superintendent, how to dance is awesome, too.  Treeger has the best one-liner by a character who wasn't one of the main six.

Joey knocks out the door to accost him for yelling at Rachel and Treeger sees him and says, "Tribiani...hang on, I'll get the plunger." (the obvious implication being that Joey is always stopping up the toilet)  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

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« Reply #152 on: December 01, 2020, 09:23:54 AM »
Hmmm, I think Courteney Cox looked great with shorter hair like she had in S4.  Different strokes.

The One with the Cuffs (Chandler and Rachel's boss fooling around) is a top 5 Friends episode, IMO.  Ever notice how the episodes where Chandler and Rachel had a storyline to themselves where none of the other four were really involved were always great?  Too bad there weren't more of those.

The one where Joey teaches Treeger, the superintendent, how to dance is awesome, too.  Treeger has the best one-liner by a character who wasn't one of the main six.

Joey knocks out the door to accost him for yelling at Rachel and Treeger sees him and says, "Tribiani...hang on, I'll get the plunger." (the obvious implication being that Joey is always stopping up the toilet)  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

It wouldn't have been bad if Treeger had been written into a few more episodes.  He was excellent in the episodes where he appeared -- the one you mentioned in particular.  And I fully agree that there were a couple of character combos that were relatively infrequent but always great.  Jennifer Aniston had great comedic chops.

As far as hair, Monica's season 2 short hair was great, but for my money, that season 4 hair was pretty much the worst (with the exception of the Barbados frizzy hair).  I'm generally not a fan of short hair on women (case in point being when Jennifer Aniston chopped her hair about 7 episodes into season 7 -- in the middle of the Tag fiasco).
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« Reply #153 on: December 01, 2020, 10:07:17 AM »
I love the show and it definitely got better and found its own voice as it went on.

I hated whichever series had Emily. But after that it sorta changed direction and it almost became more of a sketch show than a sitcom - in a good way.

The whole " Joey Doesn't Share Food " bit for example.

Tiresome people who are just watching it now and are "re-evaluating" it because Kathleen Turner plays Chandler's Dad - ergo - taking the piss out of trans people - can get in the Marianas trench.

What about all the other people it poked fun at ? It's a comedy show fgs. Also - I watched it at the time and I don't remember ANY controversy.

The internet gives everyone a voice unfortunately PLUS as i said already - most of the time - people get offended on other people's behalf

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« Reply #154 on: December 01, 2020, 05:46:14 PM »
It wouldn't have been bad if Treeger had been written into a few more episodes.  He was excellent in the episodes where he appeared -- the one you mentioned in particular.  And I fully agree that there were a couple of character combos that were relatively infrequent but always great.  Jennifer Aniston had great comedic chops.

As far as hair, Monica's season 2 short hair was great, but for my money, that season 4 hair was pretty much the worst (with the exception of the Barbados frizzy hair).  I'm generally not a fan of short hair on women (case in point being when Jennifer Aniston chopped her hair about 7 episodes into season 7 -- in the middle of the Tag fiasco).

I agree about Aniston's comedy chops.  Rachel could be hilarious when she was a bit neurotic, like when she was on the verge of having the baby, or when obsessing over Joshua, etc.  But I can't agree about her in Season 7 as far as her looks go.  Jennifer Aniston was all-time hot in Season 1 and then again in Seasons 7 and 8, with shorter or long hair. 

That actor who played Tag was still about the worst, though.  That guy couldn't act to save his life.  Same goes for David Arquette, who was dreadful in the episode where he played the stalker of Phoebe's twin, but to be fair, Arquette isn't capable of anything more that what he showed. 

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« Reply #155 on: December 02, 2020, 07:27:51 AM »
It wouldn't have been bad if Treeger had been written into a few more episodes.  He was excellent in the episodes where he appeared -- the one you mentioned in particular.  And I fully agree that there were a couple of character combos that were relatively infrequent but always great.  Jennifer Aniston had great comedic chops.

As far as hair, Monica's season 2 short hair was great, but for my money, that season 4 hair was pretty much the worst (with the exception of the Barbados frizzy hair).  I'm generally not a fan of short hair on women (case in point being when Jennifer Aniston chopped her hair about 7 episodes into season 7 -- in the middle of the Tag fiasco).

I agree about Aniston's comedy chops.  Rachel could be hilarious when she was a bit neurotic, like when she was on the verge of having the baby, or when obsessing over Joshua, etc.  But I can't agree about her in Season 7 as far as her looks go.  Jennifer Aniston was all-time hot in Season 1 and then again in Seasons 7 and 8, with shorter or long hair. 

That actor who played Tag was still about the worst, though.  That guy couldn't act to save his life.  Same goes for David Arquette, who was dreadful in the episode where he played the stalker of Phoebe's twin, but to be fair, Arquette isn't capable of anything more that what he showed.

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« Reply #156 on: December 02, 2020, 09:41:05 AM »
I agree about Aniston's comedy chops.  Rachel could be hilarious when she was a bit neurotic, like when she was on the verge of having the baby, or when obsessing over Joshua, etc.  But I can't agree about her in Season 7 as far as her looks go.  Jennifer Aniston was all-time hot in Season 1 and then again in Seasons 7 and 8, with shorter or long hair. 

That actor who played Tag was still about the worst, though.  That guy couldn't act to save his life.  Same goes for David Arquette, who was dreadful in the episode where he played the stalker of Phoebe's twin, but to be fair, Arquette isn't capable of anything more that what he showed.

As you mentioned earlier about the hair, different strokes.

The Tag story arc was just poorly written.  The episode where they went back to the office to prove whether or not Rachel had left something for Tag to do....  Ugh.  And I think that was in the same episode where Phoebe was having problems with her smoke detector, which was just hilarious!


Eddie Cahill; yeah, he's not Nicholson, that's for sure.  But he nailed Jim Craig in "Miracle".   

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« Reply #157 on: December 02, 2020, 02:07:35 PM »
I agree about Aniston's comedy chops.  Rachel could be hilarious when she was a bit neurotic, like when she was on the verge of having the baby, or when obsessing over Joshua, etc.  But I can't agree about her in Season 7 as far as her looks go.  Jennifer Aniston was all-time hot in Season 1 and then again in Seasons 7 and 8, with shorter or long hair. 

That actor who played Tag was still about the worst, though.  That guy couldn't act to save his life.  Same goes for David Arquette, who was dreadful in the episode where he played the stalker of Phoebe's twin, but to be fair, Arquette isn't capable of anything more that what he showed.

As you mentioned earlier about the hair, different strokes.

The Tag story arc was just poorly written.  The episode where they went back to the office to prove whether or not Rachel had left something for Tag to do....  Ugh.  And I think that was in the same episode where Phoebe was having problems with her smoke detector, which was just hilarious!


Eddie Cahill; yeah, he's not Nicholson, that's for sure.  But he nailed Jim Craig in "Miracle".   

Jim Craig and Eddie Cahill did gay porn?!   :eek

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« Reply #158 on: December 02, 2020, 03:16:03 PM »
Bonus footage on the DVD!   ALWAYS watch the deleted scenes!!!  :)

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« Reply #159 on: December 04, 2020, 07:57:02 PM »
We both agreed that the Brad Pitt episode and the One Where Ross Got High (when Rachel makes the trifle wrong) are 1a and 1b.  All are really good. 

That's crazy, I totally remember the trifle "Custard, good; jam, good; meat, GOOD" but not Ross ever getting high.
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« Reply #160 on: December 04, 2020, 09:08:57 PM »
Well, Ross didn't get high in the episode in the present time.  He stated that he got high in college and told his parents that Chandler was the high one when I think they smelled pot in their house since Chandler was trying to figure out why Ross and Monica's parents don't like him (and why Monica hasn't told her parents that she and Chandler are in a relationship and living together).

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« Reply #161 on: December 05, 2020, 07:16:51 AM »
That actor who played Tag was still about the worst, though.  That guy couldn't act to save his life.
He was one of the cutest of their boyfriends though, I'd only rank Mike above him. Phoebe had a good romantic life, when she wanted hookups she had hookups and as soon she wanted a boyfriend, she would get one :lol nothing like what Monica and Rachel had to go through.

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« Reply #162 on: December 07, 2020, 09:55:14 AM »
Well, Ross didn't get high in the episode in the present time.  He stated that he got high in college and told his parents that Chandler was the high one when I think they smelled pot in their house since Chandler was trying to figure out why Ross and Monica's parents don't like him (and why Monica hasn't told her parents that she and Chandler are in a relationship and living together).

More or less correct, and the name of the episode, "The One Where Ross Got High," is a bit misleading since it refers to an event that happened basically a decade prior, and it was a relatively small part of the episode.


That actor who played Tag was still about the worst, though.  That guy couldn't act to save his life.
He was one of the cutest of their boyfriends though, I'd only rank Mike above him. Phoebe had a good romantic life, when she wanted hookups she had hookups and as soon she wanted a boyfriend, she would get one :lol nothing like what Monica and Rachel had to go through.

I couldn't stand Tag.  In fact, they really didn't give Rachel very good boyfriends:  Paul (Bruce Willis), Tag and Joshua (which was basically over before it began).  I'm sure that was intentional.  Phoebe was an odd one.  If you'd done a survey after the first couple seasons and asked which of the two women would be married at the end of the series, I'm sure Phoebe would have gotten the fewest votes.  Then again, Vikram was a super serious relationship, so it's a little sad they didn't end up together!  ;-)
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« Reply #163 on: December 07, 2020, 10:10:42 AM »
In fact, they really didn't give Rachel very good boyfriends:  Paul (Bruce Willis), Tag and Joshua (which was basically over before it began).  I'm sure that was intentional.
The way they handled Rachel and Ross is one of my biggest complaints. They at least tried with Ross and some of his girlfriends, and he broke up with most of them over Rachel. With Rachel it was as if they couldn't give her anyone halfway plausible. If they wanted to spend all that time with the two of them playing cat and mouse, they should have spent more time happy together, because she was just spinning her wheels during the breaks.

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« Reply #164 on: December 07, 2020, 02:11:28 PM »
I'm not a Friends die-hard like some here (not a knock; I certainly get why people like the show) but for me, the Rachel - Ross was a hurdle I could not cross.  I didn't like Ross at all; I didn't think he was funny, I didn't care about his neuroses... and for him to actually win Rachel for me was too tough to swallow. 

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« Reply #165 on: December 07, 2020, 05:19:08 PM »
I get putting them together at the end, but Ross and Rachel were both far more entertaining when they were not a couple.  Ross was too whiney early on, but once he became a little neurotic (following the Emily breakup), he was pretty funny.  Granted, he was the 3rd funniest of 3 lead male characters, and the other 2 were, IMO, among the funniest characters ever in sitcom history, so he is easy to overlook.

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« Reply #166 on: December 08, 2020, 01:38:47 AM »
Anyone care to explain why Friends is generally universally loved, yet The Big Bang Theory is disliked so much (outside of it's core fanbase obviously).

Cards on the table I don't like either much - but my wife watches both so I've seen lots of episodes of both shows and to me there isn't that much difference, in fact they both have very similar style of comedy, with both rely heavy on setup and pay off reaction jokes (not a criticism just not my thing).

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« Reply #167 on: December 08, 2020, 07:11:52 AM »
Big Bang Theory is fascinating to me; there's not one character I really like on that show, and yet... it's astounding how much I watch it (it's on my local station every night at 6:00 and on weekends following the local news).   After the second season or so, Sheldon is annoying and pedantic, not funny.    Once Leonard "got the girl" he got boring.   Howard was funny when he was a lech; he a bore when he's a failed Borscht Belt comic.   Raj has his moments, but the metrosexual thing isn't really funny to me.   Stuart is a waste of airtime.   I liked Penny when she was the untouchable hot slutty girl next door; the love affair with Leonard was totally unbelievable to me, and once she was watered down, she was more annoying than she was hot.    Bernadette... I don't even know where to begin.   Amy Farrah-Fowler was funny in her very early appearances when she was a more pure version of Sheldon, but they neutered her quickly and that was that.  Kripke and the geology guy were useless as well.

The funniest parts of the show by far were the guest appearances.  Adam West was always worth a hoot and Bob Newhart as a "Jedi vision" may be the greatest situational character in the history of TV comedy (right up there with Col. Flagg from M*A*S*H). 

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Re: The Friends Appreciation Thread
« Reply #168 on: December 08, 2020, 08:11:33 AM »
TBBT is one of the most awesomely bad shows of all time. The writing is pretty cringe at times, and the jokes are soooo forced, but for some reason I don't care. There's enough in there for me to really enjoy it. I freaking love Kripke though. Most of his scenes are gold, and he was hilarious in the fighting robot episode (The Kripke Krippler). The show is to TV what Kiss is to rock music  :heart


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Re: The Friends Appreciation Thread
« Reply #169 on: December 08, 2020, 08:27:15 AM »
TBBT is one of the most awesomely bad shows of all time. The writing is pretty cringe at times, and the jokes are soooo forced, but for some reason I don't care. There's enough in there for me to really enjoy it. I freaking love Kripke though. Most of his scenes are gold, and he was hilarious in the fighting robot episode (The Kripke Krippler). The show is to TV what Kiss is to rock music  :heart


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Re: The Friends Appreciation Thread
« Reply #170 on: December 08, 2020, 09:29:37 AM »
Anyone care to explain why Friends is generally universally loved, yet The Big Bang Theory is disliked so much (outside of it's core fanbase obviously).

Because tastes and weasel words.  "Generally universally loved"?  "Disliked so much"?  Both shows are among the most popular network shows of all time.  BBT has a bunch of vocal detractors,** but it was and still is incredibly popular and ITS "core fanbase" is massive.


** - As does Friends.  I hate using this term, but "woke culture" seems to get its jollies by criticizing the show for "homophobia" and "fat shaming" (among other things).
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« Reply #171 on: December 08, 2020, 09:42:34 AM »
It's my understanding that that is going to be an Olympic sport starting in 2024:  looking back at beloved shows from 20, 30, 40 years ago and critiquing them on the most stringent identity politics standards of the current day. 

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Re: The Friends Appreciation Thread
« Reply #172 on: December 08, 2020, 11:09:46 AM »
Anyone care to explain why Friends is generally universally loved, yet The Big Bang Theory is disliked so much (outside of it's core fanbase obviously).

Because tastes and weasel words.  "Generally universally loved"?  "Disliked so much"?  Both shows are among the most popular network shows of all time.  BBT has a bunch of vocal detractors,** but it was and still is incredibly popular and ITS "core fanbase" is massive.


** - As does Friends.  I hate using this term, but "woke culture" seems to get its jollies by criticizing the show for "homophobia" and "fat shaming" (among other things).

My point is BBT generally has a similar reputation as Adam Sandler movies or Nickelback (' You have terrible taste is you like ...........')  Whereas Friends generally has a lot more goodwill towards it.

As I said I find shows have a lot in common and both use similar comedy tropes - just wondering why the reputations of the shows in generally different.  Unless I'm misreading it?  Or is Friends that much better and I just don't see it?

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Re: The Friends Appreciation Thread
« Reply #173 on: December 08, 2020, 11:27:05 AM »
Anyone care to explain why Friends is generally universally loved, yet The Big Bang Theory is disliked so much (outside of it's core fanbase obviously).

Because tastes and weasel words.  "Generally universally loved"?  "Disliked so much"?  Both shows are among the most popular network shows of all time.  BBT has a bunch of vocal detractors,** but it was and still is incredibly popular and ITS "core fanbase" is massive.


** - As does Friends.  I hate using this term, but "woke culture" seems to get its jollies by criticizing the show for "homophobia" and "fat shaming" (among other things).

My point is BBT generally has a similar reputation as Adam Sandler movies or Nickelback (' You have terrible taste is you like ...........')  Whereas Friends generally has a lot more goodwill towards it.

As I said I find shows have a lot in common and both use similar comedy tropes - just wondering why the reputations of the shows in generally different.  Unless I'm misreading it?  Or is Friends that much better and I just don't see it?

I think the intellectual aspect (that could be poor word choice on my part) of TBBT is a big turnoff for a lot of people. The show really takes it to another level and really rams it down your throat constantly. People either hate it from the get go, or they begin to get tired of it over time.

It rubs me sometimes. Like 1:20 of this clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4_IFKA9LOY
I get that Sheldon is Sheldon, but to me it feels like a cheap and lazy way for the show to remind its viewers that its a "smart" show. 

Also, I think Friends is just more relatable to people. It's hard for me to really connect to anyone on TBBT, whereas with Friends, there's a lot of things across basically every character's arc that resonate with me and points in my life. I actually feel things watching Friends. There are genuinely sad moments in that show that remind you that life is just kind of shitty sometimes. I actually feel for the characters on it. Even the more serious moments of TBBT end up being part a punchline somehow. 

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Re: The Friends Appreciation Thread
« Reply #174 on: December 08, 2020, 12:08:28 PM »
You're probably more right than I am here, but I think it's the laziness and sloppiness of TBBT that is really the turnoff, at least for me.  It was so wishy-washy with it's premise.    Sometimes Sheldon was a stoic intellectual of questionable people skills, other times he was just a pedantic child, and other times he was a caring, albeit socially stilted, friend.   I get humans are complex, but there was no rhyme or reason to any of it. Howard was a pig who magically turned into a great and living father - and ASTRONAUT!, Leonard was a junior nerd who magically turned into a caring and mature husband...

TBBT was a group of friends who were intellectually superior, and who achieved ridiculous levels.   Friends was just a group of friends, period.  Well, maybe they were slightly more neurotic, and way more good-looking than most friend packs we know, but at least it had a fighting chance to be consistent over the run of years.  Was Chandler THAT MUCH different - as different as Season 1 Sheldon and Season 12 Sheldon - in the end?