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Genesis Survivor 2012 - Results & Discussion
« on: March 18, 2012, 12:48:05 PM »
In celebration of Genesis' 45th Anniversary, I've decided to do a Genesis Survivor here!

As we go through each album, I will update their respective survivor results as they are finished.

Each of the band's main 15 albums will be represented, as well as Survivors for Gabriel-Era B-Sides, Collins-Era B-Sides, and Wilson-Era B-Sides, and then Consolation Rounds for all the Third Place songs in the album survivors, and the finally, 40 songs will move onto the Finals.

As a note, the TOP FOUR songs from The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway will advance to the finals (as it is a lengthy double album, I did the same for past double albums). In addition to that, the Top 2 Gabriel-Era B-Sides, the Top 3 Collins-Era B-Sides, and the Top 1 Wilson-Era B-Side will all advance (a total of 6 B-Sides in the Finals).

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From Genesis To Revelation
 1. Where The Sour Turns To Sweet
 2. In The Beginning

 3. The Conqueror
 4. The Silent Sun
 5. One Day
 6. The Serpent
 7. In Limbo
 8. In Hiding
     A Place To Call My Own
10. Am I Very Wrong?
11. In The Wilderness
12. Fireside Song
13. Window

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Trespass
1. The Knife
2. Looking For Someone

3. Stagnation
4. Visions Of Angels
5. White Mountain
6. Dusk

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Nursery Cryme
1. The Musical Box
2. The Return Of The Giant Hogweed

3. The Fountain Of Salmacis
4. Harold The Barrel
5. Harlequin
6. Seven Stones
7. For Absent Friends

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Foxtrot
1. Supper's Ready
2. Watcher Of The Skies

3. Can-Utility And The Coastliners
4. Get'Em Out By Friday
5. Time Table
6. Horizons

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Selling England By The Pound
1. Firth Of Fifth
2. The Cinema Show

3. Dancing With The Moonlit Knight
4. I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe)
5. The Battle Of Epping Forest
6. After The Ordeal
7. More Fool Me
8. Aisle Of Plenty

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The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
  1. The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
      Fly On A Windshield
      In The Cage
      Back In NYC

  5. The Chamber Of 32 Doors
  6. The Carpet Crawlers

  7. Lillywhite Lilith
  8. Cuckoo Cocoon
  9. Counting Out Time
      Anyway
11. Broadway Melody of 1974
      The Colony Of Slippermen
13. The Grand Parade Of Lifeless Packaging
      The Light Lies Down On Broadway
15. The Lamia
      Riding The Scree
17. Hairless Heart
18. In The Rapids
      it.
20. Here Comes The Supernatural Anesthetist
21. Silent Sorrow In Empty Boats
22. The Waiting Room
      Ravine

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A Trick Of The Tail
1. Dance On A Volcano
2. Entangled

3. Ripples...
4. Mad Man Moon
5. A Trick Of The Tail
6. Los Endos
7. Squonk
8. Robbery, Assault And Battery

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Wind & Wuthering
1. One For The Vine
2. Eleventh Earl Of Mar

3. Blood On The Rooftops
4. Afterglow
5. ...In That Quiet Earth
6. All In A Mouse's Night
7. Unquiet Slumber For The Sleepers...
8. Wot Gorilla?
9. Your Own Special Way

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...And Then There Were Three...
1. Burning Rope
2. Down And Out

3. Undertow
4. The Lady Lies
5. Deep In The Motherlode
6. Many Too Many
7. Follow You Follow Me
8. Ballad Of Big
9. Snowbound
10. Scenes From A Night's Dream
11. Say It's Alright Joe

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Duke
1. Behind The Lines
2. Duke's Travels

3. Heathaze
4. Duke's End
5. Guide Vocal
6. Turn It On Again
7. Duchess
8. Cul-De-Sac
9. Man Of Our Times
10. Please Don't Ask
11. Alone Tonight
12. Misunderstanding

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Abacab
1. Dodo/Lurker
2. Abacab

3. Me And Sarah Jane
4. Keep It Dark
5. Man On The Corner
6. Like It Or Not
7. No Reply At All
8. Another Record
9. Who Dunnit?

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Genesis
1. Home By The Sea
2. Mama

3. Second Home By The Sea
4. Just A Job To Do
5. That's All
6. Silver Rainbow
7. It's Gonna Get Better
8. Taking It All Too Hard
9. Illegal Alien

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Invisible Touch
1. Land Of Confusion
2. Domino

3. Tonight, Tonight, Tonight
4. Throwing It All Away
5. The Brazilian
6. Anything She Does
7. In Too Deep
8. Invisible Touch

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We Can't Dance
1. Driving The Last Spike
2. Fading Lights

3. No Son Of Mine
4. Dreaming While You Sleep
5. I Can't Dance
6. Jesus He Knows Me
7. Living Forever
8. Way Of The World
9. Never A Time
10. Hold On My Heart
      Since I Lost You
12. Tell Me Why

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...Calling All Stations...
1. The Dividing Line
2. One Man's Fool

3. Calling All Stations
4. Alien Afternoon
5. There Must Be Some Other Way
6. Shipwrecked
7. Not About Us
8. Congo
9. If That's What You Need
10. Uncertain Weather
11. Small Talk

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Gabriel-Era B-Sides
1. Twilight Alehouse
    Let Us Now Make Love

3. Happy The Man
    Going Out To Get You
5. Shepherd
    A Winter's Tale
7. Pacidy
8. Image Blown Out
9. That's Me
10. One-Eyed Hound

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Collins-Era B-Sides
1. Inside & Out
2. You Might Recall
3. Evidence Of Autumn

4. Naminanu
5. Open Door
6. It's Yourself
7. Vancouver
    The Day The Light Went Out
9. Match Of The Day
    Submarine
11. Me And Virgil
12. I'd Rather Be You
      Do The Neurotic
14. Feeding The Fire
15. Pigeons
      Paperlate
      Hearts On Fire
18. On The Shoreline

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Wilson-Era B-Sides
1. Run Out Of Time
2. Sign Your Life Away
3. Anything Now
    7/8
5. Nowhere Else To Turn
6. Papa He Said
   Banjo Man
    Phret

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Consolation
1. Dancing With The Moonlit Knight
2. Can-Utility And The Coastliners

3. The Fountain Of Salmacis
4. The Chamber Of 32 Doors
5. The Carpet Crawlers
6. Blood On The Rooftops
7. Ripples...
8. Stagnation
    Heathaze
10. Undertow
11. Second Home By The Sea
12. The Conqueror
13. No Son Of Mine
14. Me And Sarah Jane
15. Tonight, Tonight, Tonight
      Calling All Stations

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Finals
1. Firth Of Fifth
2. Supper's Ready
3. The Musical Box
4. The Cinema Show
5. Dancing With The Moonlit Knight
6. The Knife
7. The Return Of The Giant Hogweed
8. In The Cage
9. Watcher Of The Skies
10. Eleventh Earl Of Mar
11. Dance On A Volcano
12. Duke's Travels
13. The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
14. Looking For Someone
15. One For The Vine
16. Can-Utility And The Coastliners
17. Fly On A Windshield
18. Behind The Lines
19. Entangled
20. Burning Rope
21. Down And Out
22. Driving The Last Spike
23. Back In NYC
24. Fading Lights
25. Mama
26. Dodo/Lurker
27. Home By The Sea (Part 1)
28. Inside & Out
29. Abacab
30. Domino
31. One Man's Fool
32. You Might Recall
33. Evidence Of Autumn
34. Twilight Alehouse
35. Let Us Now Make Love
36. Run Out Of Time
37. The Dividing Line
38. Land Of Confusion
39. Where The Sour Turns To Sweet
40. In The Beginning

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-Marc.
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Re: Genesis Survivor 2012 - Results & Discussion
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2012, 08:51:39 AM »
Added the results for the first two albums.

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Re: Genesis Survivor 2012 - Results & Discussion
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2012, 06:18:29 PM »
Added the results for Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot!

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Re: Genesis Survivor 2012 - Results & Discussion
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2012, 11:14:42 AM »
Holy crap, this is going to take a while.  I guess it's a good thing that it's only one day per round, even if that means I don't get to vote sometimes.

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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2012, 12:30:28 PM »
Holy crap, this is going to take a while.  I guess it's a good thing that it's only one day per round, even if that means I don't get to vote sometimes.

 :lol Yep, but I'm okay with it. I spent nearly a YEAR doing the Marillion Survivor, and at best, had an average of 3 vote(r)s per round near the end, so if I can at least double that participation through the end of this, I'll be happy.

So far, at least 10 people have voted in every round since the start of Trespass, and I hope to keep that up til at least We Can't Dance!

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Re: Genesis Survivor 2012 - Results & Discussion
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2012, 04:11:32 PM »
It makes sense, though.  I'm sure there are more people familiar with Genesis than with Marillion.  I have some Marillion, and it's good stuff, but I don't know if I listen to it enough to have strong opinions on individual songs.  Not like with Genesis, which I've been listening to for 35 years.

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Re: Genesis Survivor 2012 - Results & Discussion
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2012, 01:38:26 PM »
Too bad I missed this until now as I'm not as familiar with collins albums. At least I can vote on my favorite album: The lamb :)
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Re: Genesis Survivor 2012 - Results & Discussion
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2012, 06:43:45 PM »
Updated with the results of the SEBTP Survivor. Oddly enough, in the last round, "The Cinema Show" took the most votes, crowning "Firth Of Fifth" the top song of SEBTP. It really could have gone either way.

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Re: Genesis Survivor 2012 - Results & Discussion
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2012, 09:18:16 PM »
Why do you "oddly enough"?

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Re: Genesis Survivor 2012 - Results & Discussion
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2012, 09:30:14 PM »
Why do you "oddly enough"?

Well for me, I always felt like many fans thought "The Cinema Show" was the best track on the album, but "Firth Of Fifth" is a very good contender. I don't think I could pick a favorite of the two, but I voted off FOF.

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Re: Genesis Survivor 2012 - Results & Discussion
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2012, 11:19:05 PM »
Ah.  Well, they're both great songs, my favorites from this album.  As I said in the survivor thread itself, I prefer the live version of "The Cinema Show" but the studio version of "Firth of Fifth".

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Re: Genesis Survivor 2012 - Results & Discussion
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2012, 01:22:37 PM »
I missed all the fun albums  :'(
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Re: Genesis Survivor 2012 - Results & Discussion
« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2012, 12:01:51 PM »
I missed all the fun albums  :'(

Yeah, pretty much  :lol But hey, the next four albums are still pretty good!

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« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2012, 08:35:20 PM »
Yeah but some of them I haven't listened to at all. I think I might start a nice Genesis run this week
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Re: Genesis Survivor 2012 - Results & Discussion
« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2012, 01:21:58 AM »
I'm not too familiar with collins albums either, but i'm taking this as an opportunity to get to know them better.  :tup
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« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2012, 06:00:33 AM »
I'm not too familiar with collins albums either, but i'm taking this as an opportunity to get to know them better.  :tup

 :tup Good call! The Collins-Era stuff has some really good proggy songs in it, while having great pop tunes, and the playing still holds up (even up through We Can't Dance, like in "Fading Lights").

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Re: Genesis Survivor 2012 - Results & Discussion
« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2012, 08:45:31 AM »
Added the results for W&W and ATTWT.

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Re: Genesis Survivor 2012 - Results & Discussion
« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2012, 08:26:31 PM »
Question for anyone still following the Genesis Survivor - I know I am only about to start Abacab, but I was thinking ahead to the self-titled album.

Should I make "Home By The Sea" and "Second Home By The Sea" one option/track/choice, or keep them separate as they were tracked separately on the original album?

They have been released as one track (The Way We Walk Vol 2: The Longs and Live Over Europe), but going by the original studio album, they are two, and I have gone by the original studio album releases for many songs that have been tracked seamlessly (like the opening 3/closing 2 songs on Duke, the last 3 songs on Wind & Wuthering, and "The Cinema Show"/"Aisle of Plenty").

Thoughts? Got about a week before Genesis's survivor begins, so let me know what you guys think! Thanks!

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Re: Genesis Survivor 2012 - Results & Discussion
« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2012, 08:53:40 PM »
I'd keep them separate.
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Re: Genesis Survivor 2012 - Results & Discussion
« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2012, 09:48:56 PM »
Survivors have traditionally kept to the original track listings as a rule, so I'd say keep Home by the Sea in two parts, even though I have always thought of them as one song anyway.  The stupid thing is that I know that for me, the separate parts are individually weaker than some other tracks on the album, whereas together they win IMO.  But I think for consistency's sake they should be separate.

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« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2012, 11:20:37 PM »
Survivors have traditionally kept to the original track listings as a rule, so I'd say keep Home by the Sea in two parts, even though I have always thought of them as one song anyway.  The stupid thing is that I know that for me, the separate parts are individually weaker than some other tracks on the album, whereas together they win IMO.  But I think for consistency's sake they should be separate.

This has been my thought, as well. With a few more responses, I think I'll do as I was going to anyway and keep the song halves separated in the survivor.

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« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2012, 01:43:44 AM »
Keep the original track listing
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Re: Genesis Survivor 2012 - Results & Discussion
« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2012, 02:40:44 PM »
Added the results for Duke and Abacab.

We are now about half-way through this Survivor! Just a few more albums, then 3 B-Sides Survivors, Consolations, and then we get to the Finals!

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Re: Genesis Survivor 2012 - Results & Discussion
« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2012, 06:26:48 PM »
Added results for Genesis and Invisible Touch. Only the rest of We Can't Dance and all of ...Calling All Stations... to go before we finish the studio albums!

As an update, after CAS, we'll launch into 3 Survivors for B-Sides - Gabriel-Era, Collins-Era and Wilson-Era. Each Survivor will start with multi-song elimination rounds, just to get through them a bit quicker.

After the B-Sides Survivors, we'll have the Consolation Rounds, where 2 out of 15 songs will move into the Finals!

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« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2012, 04:14:41 PM »
Could you post a list of all the B-side songs that are going to be in the vote?
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« Reply #25 on: July 01, 2012, 09:16:41 AM »
Could you post a list of all the B-side songs that are going to be in the vote?

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Gabriel-Era B-Sides (Top 2 to advance to Finals)
Twilight Alehouse
Happy The Man
Going Out To Get You
Shepherd
Pacidy
Let Us Now Make Love
That's Me
One-Eyed Hound
A Winter's Tale
Image Blown Out

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Collins-Era B-Sides (Top 3 to advance to Finals)
It's Yourself
Pigeons
Match Of The Day
Inside & Out
Vancouver
The Day The Light Went Out
Open Door
Evidence Of Autumn
Naminanu
Submarine
Paperlate
You Might Recall
Me And Virgil
I'd Rather Be You
Do The Neurotic
Feeding The Fire
On The Shoreline
Hearts On Fire

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Wilson-Era B-Sides (Top 1 to advance to Finals)
Anything Now
Sign Your Life Away
Run Out Of Time
Papa He Said
Banjo Man
Phret
7/8
Nowhere Else To Turn

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That's all the ones I will be including.

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Re: Genesis Survivor 2012 - Results & Discussion
« Reply #26 on: July 01, 2012, 08:06:12 PM »
So, two songs that weren't good enough to make the original studio albums will automatically get to the final 15 here?  Okay. :lol :biggrin:

And how many people here actually know all of those songs?

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« Reply #27 on: July 01, 2012, 08:18:41 PM »
So, two songs that weren't good enough to make the original studio albums will automatically get to the final 15 here?  Okay. :lol :biggrin:

And how many people here actually know all of those songs?

Final 15? :huh:

The Finals for this Survivor will contain 40 songs total, 32 of which include the Top 2 songs from each album (Top 4 in the case of TLLDOB), while the remaining 8 come from the Top 2 Consolation Songs and the 6 from the B-Sides, which, considering the strength of some of the B-sides, it's well-deserved. Some B-sides like "Inside And Out", are probably tons better than some of the Top 2 Finals-eligible songs from the main Studio Albums.

Either way, including only 6 B-Sides compared to 34 Studio Album Tracks isn't such a bad ratio - Only 15% of the Final 40 will be B-Sides, and if people don't like them, they can vote for them when we reach the Finals. I just wanted to give the B-sides a chance since Genesis is a band with so MANY B-sides, every album from A Trick Of The Tail to Calling All Stations has at least one B-side (except the self-titled album).

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« Reply #28 on: July 01, 2012, 10:12:59 PM »
Okay, I read that wrong :lol :facepalm:, but I guess we'll see how it goes.  I'll be surprised if more than a few people know the b-sides well enough to vote.

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« Reply #29 on: July 01, 2012, 10:22:14 PM »
Okay, I read that wrong :lol :facepalm:, but I guess we'll see how it goes.  I'll be surprised if more than a few people know the b-sides well enough to vote.

Luckily, I'm doing multi-vote rounds for the first couple rounds of each B-Sides survivor, so hopefully that will weed out the lesser-known/liked ones.

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Re: Genesis Survivor 2012 - Results & Discussion
« Reply #30 on: July 01, 2012, 11:11:34 PM »
I know most of the Gabriel-era and Collins-era outtakes, so I'll be voting on them.  I've only heard a few for the Wilson-era ones.

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Re: Genesis Survivor 2012 - Results & Discussion
« Reply #31 on: July 07, 2012, 03:02:13 PM »
Added the results for WCD and CAS as we move on to a trilogy of B-Sides Survivors. We're in the home-stretch, guys, and after a week or two of B-Sides, and then a couple weeks of Consolation rounds, we'll move in to THE FINALS, some time in August I'd predict, which should run into September, after about 6 months from this Survivor's start!

Thanks to everyone who has participated so far and has continued to do so!  :tup

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Re: Genesis Survivor 2012 - Results & Discussion
« Reply #32 on: July 09, 2012, 04:28:38 PM »
Just one thing I just realised; how in the hell did Carpet Crawlers not make the top of TLLDOB? :(
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Re: Genesis Survivor 2012 - Results & Discussion
« Reply #33 on: July 10, 2012, 04:34:50 AM »
I did my best but it wasn't enough  :-[
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« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2012, 02:08:42 PM »
A shame that is.
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